Orangebrigade wrote: » Or they didn't buy into the Gaelic propaganda to brainwash them into being proper Irish and being told this is what you must learn and follow.
Wibbs wrote: » So what you're suggesting is the vast majority of Irish people are less intelligent? You must be, considering the vast majority of Irish people can't speak Irish anywhere close to fluency. Nah, just the same old same old from the Gaelgoiri pulling, or attempting to pull some elitist guff. Common among your little Irelanders and it doesn't help the language one little bit.
OrangeBrigade wrote: Or they didn't buy into the Gaelic propaganda to brainwash them into being proper Irish and being told this is what you must learn and follow.
Coles wrote: » The vast majority of Irish people don't hate the Irish language! What an outrageous suggestion. And people don't need to speak the language fluently, do they? I learned French and Latin and I'll never be fluent in them! Er, what? Are you trying to politicise one of the oldest languages on the planet? It's your language too, like it or not!
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Never said it did...? A country is not an emotive organism, to be pedantic. But again, this doesn't contrdict anything I said. the use of "our" can not and should not apply to everyone.
Coles wrote: » I wouldn't necessarily say that these people are less intelligent (although there is a obvious correlation if you look across the academic grades), but many of the people who couldn't learn Irish failed because they wallowed in a bad attitude passed on by their parents and peers. A subclass with a culture of failure?
Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: » There is nothing wrong with having a sense of where you are from and it doesn't automatically have to coincide with some xenophobic view of the world.
Huntergonzo wrote: » But as it stands there is no language barrier and there is no logical benefits to introducing one. I understand that you personally like Irish, which is fine, I have no problem with that, but you're allowing your personal preference to come in the way of common sense. People may have an interest in those subjects and I would argue that they have more practical use than Irish because they teach us about the world we live in. Personally I liked history, geography and science, I had zero interest in religion and the way it's taught is a national disgrace (but that's another days work). But the thing is those aren't core subjects, you can eventually drop them and I think there should be more options anyway but you can't drop Irish, it's there right the way through and that raises contempt if you ask me. It's also interesting how people react when you criticize Irish, so for example if I say 'I hate history', nobody would really care (even though Irish history is apart of history) but if I say 'I hate Irish', plenty of people won't like it, why the difference, why the emotional attachment to a language? Finally, again why not have the option to learn another language like Spanish or French from an early age instead of Irish? they have far more practical use.
Huntergonzo wrote: » If you're saying you need Irish to have a sense of where you are from then I can't understand that attitude, to me it screams of needing reassurance. I know where I'm from, I'm very happy with it and never wanted to be from anywhere else, if you need to learn Irish to feel Irish, that's your own business.
Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: » No I'm saying in general it's good for a country for the citizens to have a sense of pride in the country in general.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » You can have pride in your country without learning a dying useless language.
Coles wrote: » The vast majority of Irish people don't hate the Irish language! What an outrageous suggestion.
And people don't need to speak the language fluently, do they? I learned French and Latin and I'll never be fluent in them!
Er, what? Are you trying to politicise one of the oldest languages on the planet?
It's your language too, like it or not!
Ferris_Bueller wrote: » You can, but I'd imagine someone who had a lot of pride in their country wouldn't be anti-Irish and call it a dying useless language. Plenty on here have said that Irish is of no relevance to them but that they don't particularly dislike it, but if someone is actively against the Irish language I would question their countries pride. Maybe that's just me though.
Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: » I wasn't responding to one of your posts.
Ferris_Bueller wrote: » Okay some fair points. It is probably impractical if my suggestion of all primary schools being Gaelscoils were to come true, but I don't see what harm would come of it, I don't think grades would suffer and I think it would make us as a nation better with languages in the long term. It might not be a good enough reason to enforce this obviously, but if the government did want to truly revive the Irish language I think that would be the most effective way of doing so.
kefir32 wrote: » yeah its just you
Caoimhgh1n wrote: » Incorrect.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » The question I asked still stands: why change something that works fine for something that makes the lanaguge a priority ahead of the kids and their education? And this "sense of pride" question is bogus - let the kids decide what they like and don't like. Let them express themselves. Because in your scenario, your forcing them to express you (or the state), and you don't have the right to do that.
Ferris_Bueller wrote: » There are more practical languages we could learn of course, but sure wouldn't it be more practical if everyone in the world just learned English? (not exactly a fair comparison I know..)
Ferris_Bueller wrote: » Whenever I am communicating with someone from another country I do think it's a shame that they often have two or three languages while most Irish people only have one. I have found people to react very well to when I speak Irish to them as a lot of them aren't even aware that we have our own language.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » To call Irish a dieing and useless language is to call a spade a spade. Yes I'm blunt but I'm also correct.
mansize wrote: » In your mind alone
Huntergonzo wrote: » Fair enough, but any time I hear someone taking out national pride I always laugh and think of this quote:https://louiseinperson.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/most-enjoyable-george/george-carlin-quote-on-ethnic-and-national-pride/
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Some people are insecure about their own achievements and need to feel a part of the achievements of others. That's really what "national pride" is about.
kefir32 wrote: » Fighting a losing battle champ
smurgen wrote: » I'm not insecure of my achievements buy I'm proud of Ireland.it's one of the best countries in the world and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know a lot about the world.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » It's certainly one of the best countries in the world but that's hardly a personal achievement you can feel pride in is it? It's not even an achievement of the Irish people collectively.
