Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

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Ageyev wrote: »

True. I was reminding myself half way through that a woman was murdered in an appalling crime. That the investigation and prosecution was so bad is an insult and unjust. Dean Strang said that the documentary ought to encourage people to ask questions about the system and the workings of the State rather than focusing on Steven's guilt or innocence as public exposure and pressure is highly unlikely to help. But the Internet has lit up with amateur investigators and I've seen very little discussion focusing on the systemic aspects that Strang mentioned.

It's a bit tragic all right that a show which was poised to highlight glaring failures in the system ended up a murder mystery.

Another horrible loss due to Avery's likely actions. Just as the scrapping of the bill that was to be introduced to address some of those failings.

gavmcg92

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

Again a loophole based on protocol. It wasn't actually inconclusive. Teresa's dna was found on it and the lab happy to stand over the result.

Tbe blood in his car without a trace of fingerprints and knowing his blood was available to police.... And tbe container appeared to have been tampered with.

How do you explain that the bullet was found in a location that had no blood splatter what so ever. Especially with the amount of junk in that shed. There would have been no way for all of that to be cleaned to a level that no DNA would have been found.

The lack of blood is interesting across the board.
no blood in the room where she was apparently stabbed, no blood where she was apparently shot. There only place there was blood was in her boot. Why, of all places, would her blood be in the boot if she was burned a couple of feet from where she was apparently shot.

Also with respect to his blood in the jeep. It doesn't really put him in the jeep. With the location of the cut on his hand, the absence of finger prints is strange. Also, the lab who did the blood work confirmed that they do not poke holes in the purple caps.

Ageyev

gavmcg92 wrote: »

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There only place there was blood was in her boot. Why, of all places, would her blood be in the boot if she was burned a couple of feet from where she was apparently shot.

Also with respect to his blood in the jeep. It doesn't really put him in the jeep. With the location of the cut on his hand, the absence of finger prints is strange. Also, the lab who did the blood work confirmed that they do not poke holes in the purple caps.

Teresa's blood got in the boot ofmthe Rav4 because (according to Brendan) they put her in the Rav and were going to dump the body in a lake nearby but the lake was dry. Considering the very dodgy and clearly coerced confession - not to mention lack of blood evidence after the throat cutting - Brendan's version of events can't be taken seriously.

The prosecution went had two separate and opposing theories of the crime in both trials which ought to be considered unethical

gavmcg92

Ageyev wrote: »

gavmcg92 wrote: »

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There only place there was blood was in her boot. Why, of all places, would her blood be in the boot if she was burned a couple of feet from where she was apparently shot.

Also with respect to his blood in the jeep. It doesn't really put him in the jeep. With the location of the cut on his hand, the absence of finger prints is strange. Also, the lab who did the blood work confirmed that they do not poke holes in the purple caps.

Teresa's blood got in the boot ofmthe Rav4 because (according to Brendan) they put her in the Rav and were going to dump the body in a lake nearby but the lake was dry. Considering the very dodgy and clearly coerced confession - not to mention lack of blood evidence after the throat cutting - Brendan's version of events can't be taken seriously.

The prosecution went had two separate and opposing theories of the crime in both trials which ought to be considered unethical

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Was that disclosed in the final episode? Would probably explain it. Haven't seen the final episode yet.

gavmcg92 wrote: »

How do you explain that the bullet was found in a location that had no blood splatter what so ever. Especially with the amount of junk in that shed. There would have been no way for all of that to be cleaned to a level that no DNA would have been found.

I'm not sure. If she was shot as ya say it would be incredibly hard to clean everything. But one of the things Brendan Dassey said was he helped Avery bleach the garage. And the clothes he was wearing that day had bleach stains on them. What actually happened I don't know.

The lack of blood is interesting across the board.
no blood in the room where she was apparently stabbed, no blood where she was apparently shot. There only place there was blood was in her boot. Why, of all places, would her blood be in the boot if she was burned a couple of feet from where she was apparently shot.

That's where I think Dasseys story falls apart. She can't have been stabbed and had her throat cut in the bedroom. Perhaps there's part of it true and she was stabbed/shot etc elsewhere or perhaps its all crap he came up with. I'm as confused as everyone else on how those confessions were used to convict him.

Also with respect to his blood in the jeep. It doesn't really put him in the jeep. With the location of the cut on his hand, the absence of finger prints is strange. Also, the lab who did the blood work confirmed that they do not poke holes in the purple caps.

If it's judged to be his blood (which it was) and not planted (which the defence didn't adequately argue imo) then it has to put him in the jeep. It's consistent with a cut on his right hand. The lack of fingerprints could mean he wiped the wheel and door handles and never realised he'd left blood. There was also DNA on the hood latch matching Avery.

It said in the show that the lab didn't poke holes but it was later established that the vial was exactly as it should have been. All those vials have the hole in them as that's how they are filled. The defence lawyers seemed to lose interest in the tampering I assume because that was established yet the makers of the show never mentioned it.

jcsoulinger

Did he do it or not? I'm split on this.

One thing is clear though and that is the prosecution, the local PD and Brendan's original lawyer acted appaulingly and will never be held to account.

On the bullet in the garage how would the whole place be cleaned up but that be left behind with only miniscule amounts if any of the victims dna, doesn't make any sense.

Also her key only had stevens DNA on, this was ridiculously suspicious.

The cops were tampering with evidence no doubt in my mind.

Ageyev

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Also her key only had stevens DNA on, this was ridiculously suspicious.

Also, the key was a spare key sometimes referred to as a "valet ket".

Teresa's DNA wasn't on the key. With some motors you could get a spare key with just the VIN.

Ageyev

The key looks very clean for a 6year old key. You could explain this away with various theories but remember, the key was only found on the 7th search!

There was a bunch of keys in the desk that this key supposedly fell out from.

PressRun

Regardless of whether Steven Avery is really the culprit or not, I don't know how anyone could really say that he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. The evidence that was published after the airing of the documentary doesn't even go any way to proving that he was guilty.

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Did he do it or not? I'm split on this.

One thing is clear though and that is the prosecution, the local PD and Brendan's original lawyer acted appaulingly and will never be held to account.

On the bullet in the garage how would the whole place be cleaned up but that be left behind with only miniscule amounts if any of the victims dna, doesn't make any sense.

Also her key only had stevens DNA on, this was ridiculously suspicious.

The cops were tampering with evidence no doubt in my mind.

This is my whole point, too. Two crucial pieces of evidence that are so damn dodgy.

Luminol would have detected blood not visible to the naked eye that was removed by bleach. That is standard procedure in forensics.

So much of the rest is circumstantial. Nowhere near enough to convict the guy.

The car his property appears to have been spotted days before by colburn. That is the most suspicious bit to me. I'd love to know what happened there.

PressRun wrote: »

Regardless of whether Steven Avery is really the culprit or not, I don't know how anyone could really say that he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. The evidence that was published after the airing of the documentary doesn't even go any way to proving that he was guilty.

Totally. The idea that there was all this other stuff.... None of it makes you go ahhhhh, now I see how they got him.

Ridiculous.

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#OPAVERYDASSEY

Why is Kratz saying it is one-sided when he was asked to be in the series but refused? What did he think would happen in that case?

He could never have known in his wildest dreams that the documentary would go on to be a massive hit on Netflix. Not so smug now are you, Ken boy;)

Anyone who thinks someone close to Avery killed Teresa may be interested in the link below. It makes for jaw-dropping reading. Click on the two documents the author mentions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3xqlut/document_2009_retrial_request_for_steven_avery/

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copied and pasted the parts pertaining to the 'others' who had means,motive and opportunity,same as mr avery.

Scott Tadych

103. Scott Tadych had sufficient motive, OPPOItumty and a direct
connection to the crime such that Mr. Avery, should have .been allowed to
introduce third-party ,-esponsibility evidence relating to him.
104. Tadych's motive to kill Ms. Halbach is his violent and ,-:olatile
personality. According to Tadych's co-workers, Tadych is a short-tempered and
angry person capable of murder (Calumet County Sheriff s Department intervie,W. . ' "
3/30/06; pp.71 9-722). Tadych was described as a chronic liar who blows up at
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people, "screams a lot" and is a "psycho." Another co;worker describe~ Tadych,as
"not being hooked up right" and someone who would ".flY. offthF ~dle at
everyone at work." (Calumet County Sheriff's Department. interxiew 3{31/06,
. p. 726).
105. Tadych's previous experiences with the court system show hiql to be
a violent and impulsive person, particularly towards women. In 1994, he was
charged in Manitowoc County with criminal trespass and battery. The criminal
complaint (Case No. 94-CM-583) alleged that Tadych went to the home of
Constance Welnetz at about 3:00 a.m. and knocked on her bedroom window.
Welnetz was asleep with Martin LeClair. Welnetz then heard a loud knock on the
back door. As she was calling the police, Tadych walked into her home and stated
to her: ''You will die for this, bitch." In the meantime, LeClair had gone outside ,
to confront Tadych, and Tadych had hit him, knoclung him briefly uncQnscious.

106. In 1997, the state charged Tadych with recklessly causing bodily
harm to Welnetz's son, Ryan, as well as disorderly conduct and damage to
property. The complaint alleged that Tadych had accused Welnetz of seeing
another man. When she told Tadych to leave, he SWlDlg at her and missed, then
"went out of control," (see complaint in Case No, 97-CF-237), He pushed and
punched Welnetz repeatedly, tried to push her down the basement stairs, pulled her
hair, and also punched Ryan Welnetz, then 11 years old, Tadych went outside and
ripped the CB out ofWelnetz's truck. He damaged other property as well.
107, In 1998, the state charge\i Tadych with trespass and disorderly
conduct for entering the home of Patricia Tadych-bis mother-without
pennission. (Case No. 98-CM-20), When Tadych found that his mother had
moved some of his fishing equipment, and that Eome equipment was missing, he
began to yell at her, calling her a "****er," a "bitch" and a "****." Tadych shoved
her, nearly causing her to fall.

108. In 2001, Constance Welnetz filed a petition for a teinporary
restraining order from Tadych (Case No. 01-CV-3). In her petition, Welnetz stated
that Tadych had called her repeatedly at work within short periods of time,
threatened to "kick her ass," to ''turn her over to social services" and to make her
life "miserable." He called her a "****ing CUllt bitch," He went to her home and
pushed his way into her home. He left the home on one occasion only after she
picked up the phone to call the police, but then he spit Oli her car and tried all the
car door~ to get in, When Welnetz left in her car, Tadych followed her. At one
point, Tadych phoned Welnetz and told her that if she would not talk to him and
give him "another chance" he would ruin her life and hurt her because she was a
"worthless piece of ****."
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109. And in 2002, Tadych a.gain assaulted Welnetz (Case No. 02-CM-
449). After Welnetz had tried to "kick Tadych out of her residence" for yelling at ,
her son, Tadych shoved Welnetz against the wall, took her phone and threw it on
the floor so she could not call the police. Tadych also twice punched Welnetz in
the shoulder with a closed fist.
110. Tadych would also have had a motive to frame Steven Avery. At the
time of Ms. Halbach's. murder, Tadych was dating Barb Janda, who lived next
door to Steven Avery, and who is the mother of Bobby, Blaine, Brendan and Bryan
Dassey. If Tadych killed Ms. Halbach, or if one of the Dassey boys had killed her,
Tadych would have had a motive to fi1une someone else for the crime, and Steven
Avery would have been a convenient choice for a frame-up.
Ill. Tadych also had opportuDity to kill Ms. Halbach. Janda and Tadych
are now married. As her then-boyfriend, Tadych would have been on the property
numerous times, and would have had easy access to the property.
112. Tadych testified that he was at the Janda home twice on October 31,
2OOS. It was Janda's van that Teresa Halbach had come to photograph, 'lUld so
Barb, and likely Tadych, knew Ms. Halbach would be coming to the yard to
photograph the van. Because of the close proximity of the Janda and Steven Avery
residences, anyone at the Janda home could ·see the van and Teresa Halbach
coming to photograph the van. Indeed, Bobby Dassey testified that he saw her
taking pictures of his mother's car.
113. Tadych also had a ct connection to the cI:ime. Tadych's alibi for
the time at which it is believed that Ms. Halbach was killed is Bobby Dassey, who
is now Tadych's step-son. Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych are mutual alibis in
this case. Each states that he saw the other while driving, on their way 10 hunt.
(Of course, that they saw each other while driving does not mean that one of them
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could not have had a restrained Teresa Halbach in his car at that time). No one
else can vouch for their whereabouts during that afternoon.

114. Another co-worker of Tadych reported that Tadych had approached
him to sell him a .22 rifle that belol1ged to one of the Dassey boys. (Calumet
County Sheriff's Department report of 3/30/06, p. 725-726). A .22 rifle was
believed to be the murder weapon in this case.
115. Additionally, a co-worker stated that Tadych had left work on the
day that Steven Avery was l!I1'eSted, and that he was a "nervous wreck" when he
left. Further a co-worker stated that Tadych had commented that one of the
Dassey boys had blood on his clothes, and that the clothes had "gotten mixed up
with his laundry." (Calumet County Sheriffs Department report of 312/06, .
p.687).

116. Applying these facts to the three-factor test in Denny, the court erred
in concluding it was insufficient to meet the stancbrd for admissibility. Evidence
relating to Tadych was relevant because it tended to prove that Mr. Avery was not
the guilty party. It would not have confused the jUlY or undul}'tprolonged the trial.
Likewise, there was no risk that the jury would be misled or confused had
Mr. Avery been able to introduce evidence of Scott Tadych's culpability. It was
Up to the jury, not the court, to decide whether to believe Tadych might'have been
responsible for the crime.

Cbarles Avery
117. Charles Avery also potentially had the motive to kill Teresa Halbach.
Charles Avery had assaulted his former wife and had an' aggressive history with
women who came to the Avery Salvage Yard. In 1999, the state charged Charles
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with sexual assault by use of force of his then wife Donna. The complaint alleged
(Case No. 99-CF-155) that CharlCd had held Donna down and had sexual I
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intercourse with her against her will. The comolaint also stated that Donna
reported that Charles had tried to strangle her with a phone cord, and told her that
"if she did not shut up he would end it all."

118. In another criminal complaint ftIed the same day (Case No. 99-CM-
361), Donna Avery stated that Charles had contacted her even though there was a
domestic abuse injunction in place. According to the complaint, Charles entered
Donna's residence without her permiSSion, that he followed her when she left, and
that he again entered her residence without her permission later that night, 1pping
the phone from hcr hands when she tried o call the police. Charles also blocked I I , I I LI 1 j
the door whcn Donna attempted to leave.

119. Charles Avery's aggression extended to women who were customers
of the AVfrry Salvage Yard. For example, Invr.stigator John Dedcring of the
Calumet County Sheriff's Department interviewed Zina Lavora who had had her
. car towed by the Avery Salvage business. After the tow, Charles Avery began
sending her flowers and repeatedly asking her to go out on dates, which she found
to be disturbing. He sent candy to her home, and on one occasion, he rang her
doorbell and left her a long gift-wrapped box with a $100 bill. He continued to
call her over the next three weeks, and she reported to her co-workers that she was
afraid ofbim. (Calumet County Sheriff's Department report of 11'/8/05, p. 159).1

120.' Another woman who had been a customer had a similar exPlerience
with Charles Avery. The same Sheriff's Department report contains, a statement
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by Judith Knutsen that she bought a part for her car through the Avery Salvage
Yard. A few months later, in October of 2005, the Avery business towed her car.
On October 30, 2005, Knutsen's supervisor gave her a note thatlshe should go to
the property the next day to pick up the belongings from her car; She did1not·go.
On November 2, 2005, she phoned the business and spoke with Charles Avery.
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Charles told her be had been to her house the previous day to drop off her
belongings, and then proceeded to ask Knutsen out for dinner. She refused. . Then
on November 4, 2005, Charles went to Knutsen's home with her perso~
belongings which he said he had sorted from her car.

121. Other stories of Charles' aggressive history with women exist Gary
and Daniel Lisowski spoke with law enforcement about Charles. Daniel Lisowski
was then dating a young woman whose mother was a single mother. Lisowski
reported that Charles had driven by this woman's house repeatedly, would call her
to ask her out, and would tell her on the phone that he had seen her in her bathing
·suit as he had driven by. (DCI Report, Bate stamp 023 1).

122. Charles Avery also bad a motive to frame Steven Avery for
Ms. Halbach's murder, namely jealousy for Steven over money, a share of the
family business, and over Jodi Stachowski. When Steven Avery returned to ,the
Salvage Yard after his exoneration, it meant that the Avery Salvage Yard business
would no longer be run by just Charles and Earl Avery as Allen Avory was
involved less and less in the business. It meant that Steven Avery would also be
part of the business. Thus, what looked like a half share in the family business was
likely to be a third share with Steven's arrival. Carla Avery, Charles' daughter,
told police that Charles ''puts up" with Steven working at the yard, but that he does
not really want him to wode there. (DCI Report, Bate stamp 0657) .

. 123. Steven Avery also looked to be in line to receive a large sum of
money as a result of his exoneration. That money may have caused jealousy to
Charles that would cause him to want to see Steven off the Avery Salvage Yard.
He inay even 'have believed that if Steven were again sent to prisOIlj his lawsuit
proceeds might go to him and the other A very family membersl . "J
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124. Charles Avery had also fiightened Jodi Stachowski, Steven Avery's
girlfiiend at the time of Ms. Halbach's murder. While she was in jail, Stachowski
had told another woman that she was afraid of Charles, and that shortly after
Stachow~ki and Steven began dating, Charles had come over to Steven's home
with a shotgun because he was angry that they were dating. (DCI Report.at Bate
stamp 0685). Stachowski told this woman that she "was freaked out by Chuckie,"
and that she had once awoken to fmd Chuckie in her residence that she shared with
Steven. (Jd.) .

125. Charles also had opportunity to kill Ms. Halbach. As one of the
Avery brothers, he was on the property daily, and would have been aware of
anyone coming from Auto Trader to photograph cars on the lot. Robert Fabian
told police that Charles had asked Steven if "the photographer" had come yet to'
the yard on October 31, 2005. (Calumet County Sheriff's Department leport of
11110/05, p. 208). On November 6, 2005, Charles told law enforcement that he
recalled Steven may have left work to "go and meet with a girl to take some
pictures." (DCI Report at Bate stamp 0371).

126. Charles also had a means to frame Steven. For example, after Steven
cut his finger, Charles could have smeared Steven's blood from a rag in
Ms. Hnlba.ch's car. He could have planted the key in Steven's ·room. Getting rid
of StevCD would only improve Charles' situation at the Avery Salvage Yard.

127. The location of Charles' residence on the property is suspicious as
well. His trailer is located next to the office and the main entrance to the business,
so he would be most likely to see people coming to do business at the yard. His
trailer is also the closest of any of the residences to the location where
Ms. Halbach's car was found. Also, unless Ms. Halbach's car was driven into the
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pit from the rear Radant quarry area, anyone driving her car down to where it was
ultimately found would have driven past Charles' trailer.

128. Charles Avery told law enforcement that he spends a "considerable
amount of time working in the pit area" and yet he did not notice Ms. Halbach's
car. (DCI Report at Bate stamp 0370). He lives alone, and stated he saw no one
on the night of October 31, 2005, so he does not havc an alibi for that night. (DCI
Report at Bate stamp 0371). Charles has access to firearms as be is a bunter and
uses the pit when he wants to sight in his guns. (DCI Report at Bate stamp 0374).

129. More information connecting Charles Avery to Ms. Halbach's' ,
disappearunce and murder may have been obtained had the police not had such
tunnel vision in its investigation and had they not been so free with information
with Cherles about the investigation. The police reports show that law
enforcement repeatedly told Charles Avery that Steven was the perpetrator of these
crimes, and they told Charles Avery about important aspects of the investigation.
For example, an officer with the Marinette COlmty Sheriffs Department told
Charles that they had found the key to Ms. Halbach's Toyota in Steven's bedroom,
and that they believed that Steven kept the key so he could later move the car from
the salvage yard to the shop where he could strip it to ready it for crushing. (DCI
Report at Bate stamp 0308). The officer also told Charles that they had found
bones and teeth in the bum pit behind Steven's house. (DCI Report at Bate stamp
0309). In a later interview, police told Charles that they believed Steven I1ad
opened the road from the Radant Gravel Pit into the Avery Salvage 'Yard so he
could drive Ms. Halbach's car to the back row of the yard. (DCI Report at Bate
stamp 0355). The officer told Charles .that he "understood how unsettling this
must be for Chuck. but he needs to face the fact that his brother-killed Halbach."
(DCI Report at Bate stamp 0354).
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Elarl Avery

I:; 1. Much of the same evidence relevant to Charles Avery would apply to
Earl Avery as well. Steven's return meant that Earl's share of the family business
may have gone from one-half to onc'third. Earl stated to the poli~e his willingness \ . ~ "-r t
to give information incriminating to Steven, ~aying that "even if mv brother did . , r: \ I " ['If{ r- I
. sometl1ID.g, I would tell." (Calumet County Sh~ff~ Dep~e!lt rep,ort af p. 75).
Earl's wife was said to have greatly disliked Steven. Earl was on tp.eJUd F "1'ell,
and so would have had access to· both Ms. Halbach and to a ~Ioody to,,\,el with
which to plant Steven's blood in her car. I I oj, I I

132. Earl Avery had also been previously charged with sexual assault. In
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1995, the state charged Earl Avery with sexually assaulting his two daughters. ,
. (Case No. 95-CF-240).

133. Earl Avery also had the means to kill Teresa Halbach. He and
Robert Fabian shot rabbits on the Salvage Yard grounds, riding around the
property on a golf cart. They were hunting rabbits with guns on the day that
Ms. Halbach disappeared.
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134. Earl admitted driving the golf cart past where Ms. ~a1~~ch's car ;;vas
found, and although Barl's. friend Robert Fabian would say that Earl kne:-v every I. I I
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car on the lot, Earl claimed he Ilid not see Ms. Halbach's car. (Calumet County
Sheriffs Department Report a1 p.74-75) (DCI Report at Bate stamp 0330).
Although he and Steven were sighting in their guns in the pit on Noven1ber 4,
2005, he claimed he Ilid not see Ms. H~bach s car. (Calumet County Sheriff's
Department report of 1115/05 at p. 80). Further, a cadaver dog alerted 00 a golf
cart parlced in a small garage behind the main residence on the salvage yard
property. (Great Lakes Search and Rescue Canine, Inc., Report, Narrative at 2).

135. Earl also knew that Ms. Halbach was coming to the yard on
October 31, 2005. He was .familiar with the Auto Trader magazine, and Steven
had commented to him on October 31" that he had to go home because someone
was meeting him from the magazine. (DCI Report at Bate stamp 1278-79).

136. Further, Barl hid from the police en they came to take ' a DNA
sample on November 9, 2005. When the investigators went to his home, he hid in
an upstairs bedroom under some clothes. (Calumet County Sheriff's Department
report at 194).
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137. Both Earl and Charles Avery would have known more about the I I ~j
Avery Salvage Yard than anyone else. They had taken over the day-to-day running
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of the bWliness as'their father, Allen Avery, spent more and more time at their
property up north. They had the means and the opportunity to ldll Ms. Halbach, to , I
move her car, to plant evidence to incriminate Steven, and then to leave the car so I
that it would be discovered in a search. This is sufficient connection to the offense
to warrant allowing the jury to decide whether it was crellible or not to suspect
Charles and Earl Avery.

bobby Dassey

138. Finally, Mr. Avery should have been able to introduce evidence that , I'
Bobby Dassey was a possible alternative perpetrator. If Bobby's brother Brendan
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or his soon-to-be stepfather Scott Tadych were involved in the crimes, Bobby
would have bad a motive to frame Mr. Avery for the crimes.

139. Further, there is some evidence that Bobby did not like Stevon
Avery. Bobby stated that Steven would lie in order to "stab ya in the back," and
that Steven had done this to him in the past. (Calumet County Sheriff's
Department report at 92).

140. Bobby also had opportunity as he was at home at the time that
Ms. Halbach was on the property. Given that Ms. Halbach was coming to
photograph his mother's car, Bobby would have known that Ms. Halbach was
coming to the property. Bobby admitted he saw Ms. Halbach and her car as he
looked out of the window of his residence. Bobby also had the means to shoot
Ms. Halbach; he is a hunter and thus would have access to weapons.

141. Bobby's explanation of his movements on October, 31, 2005, is w o
suspicious. He claimed to have gone hunting after baving seen Ms. Halbach on the
property, and said that Scott Tadych would say that he and Scott passed each other
on the highway on the way to hunting. Strangely, Bobby told the police that
Tadych "would be able to verify precisely wbat time he had seen Boboy."
(Calumet County Sheriff's Department report at 91). He did not explain why that
time would be so important that Tadych would be able to tell the police precisely
what time they bad seen each other. In addition, Bobby stated that he had taken a
shower before he went hunting, and then Barb Janda said he bad taken a shower
after returning from hunting. (DCI Report at Bate stamp 0213).

142. A physical eXamination of Bobby showed that he 'had scratches on
his back (l d.). He told law enforcement that the scratches were from a puppy
(Id.). The exiunining 'physician stated that the scratches looked recent, anp that it
was unlikely they were over a week pld. (ld.).
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143. Thus, there is circumstantial evidence tying Bobby Dassey to
Ms. Halbach's murder. He admitted to seeing her on the day sh~ disappeared; he
had a motive to frame Steven for the crimes; he had the means to kill Ms. Halbach;
his leaving and return from his residence is only corroborated by Scott ad~h who
saw him driving down the road; he had scratches on his back which he stated were
from a puppy; and as Ms. Halbach had been to the property befqre, B,obby, would
have been familiar with her. He had sufficient motive, opportunity and connection
to the crimes that the court erred in precluding the defense from producing
evidence and arguing Bobby was true perpetrator.

144. In sum, the court should have allowed Mr. Avery to introduce
evidence and argue from that evidence that other persons could have been
responsible for the murder of Ms. Halbach, namely Scott Tadych, Charles or
Earl Avery, or Bobby Dassey.

CONCLUSION
For the reasons argued above, Steven Avery, by his attorneys, respectfully
requests that the court schedule a hearing to hear evidence and argument, and that
the court enter an order vacating the judgments of conviction and granting a new
trial.
Dated this 26th day of June, 2009 . .
Respectfully submitted,

Thepoet85

Just watching this again and picked up on something said in episode 3 at around the 6 and a half minute mark.

In the pre trial dept Daniel Kucharski is talking about the key being found in SA's trailer, underneath the shoes next to the locker. He said that the shoes were moved before in a prior search and "the key wasn't there the first time they were moved."

He goes on to say that the key was then there when Lenk and Colburn searched the trailer.

If that's not a damming indictment of evidence clearly being planted then I don't know what is.

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Just watching this again and picked up on something said in episode 3 at around the 6 and a half minute mark.

In the pre trial dept Daniel Kucharski is talking about the key being found in SA's trailer, underneath the shoes next to the locker. He said that the shoes were moved before in a prior search and "the key wasn't there the first time they were moved."

He goes on to say that the key was then there when Lenk and Colburn searched the trailer.

If that's not a damming indictment of evidence clearly being planted then I don't know what is.

Not really, they never claimed it just appeared. They claimed it fell out of the locker when it was moved. Lenk apparently spotted the key but Colburn had by his own account quite roughly moved the locker prior to it being spotted.

It all sounds dodgy and neither Lenk nor Colburn should have been anywhere near the place but saying "The key wasn't there the first time" isn't itself a damning indictment of evidence being planted. I guess in a murder trial you'd need pretty strong evidence to suggest the police planted the evidence.

Thepoet85

Thelomen Toblackai wrote:

It all sounds dodgy and neither Lenk nor Colburn should have been anywhere near the place but saying "The key wasn't there the first time" isn't itself a damning indictment of evidence being planted. I guess in a murder trial you'd need pretty strong evidence to suggest the police planted the evidence.

Thelomen Toblackai wrote:

Not really, they never claimed it just appeared. They claimed it fell out of the locker when it was moved. Lenk apparently spotted the key but Colburn had by his own account quite roughly moved the locker prior to it being spotted.

The key could not have fallen off the locker and under the shoes however.

In addition to this, we get to see the locker completely empty in an image in one of the latter episodes of the series and the only opening in the locker is at the front. The back and sides of the locker are closed in. The only way the keys could have fallen from the locker onto the shoes would be if they were on top of, or behind the locker. The officers who made the initial searches claimed that the locker was moved about quite a lot at the time. It's inconceivable that they would have missed the key if it had of been present during the initial search of the area.

amdublin

What's the theory with the bullet hole in the shed?

Mantis Toboggan

Theresa was being harassed over the phone before she went missing, the attorney general was convicted off harassment with a number of women after the trial, possible link....

amdublin

Where is the blood???

Mantis Toboggan

amdublin wrote: »

Where is the blood???

And a murder weapon and motive etc the whole case is a mess

Thepoet85 wrote: »

The key could not have fallen off the locker and under the shoes however.

In addition to this, we get to see the locker completely empty in an image in one of the latter episodes of the series and the only opening in the locker is at the front. The back and sides of the locker are closed in. The only way the keys could have fallen from the locker onto the shoes would be if they were on top of, or behind the locker. The officers who made the initial searches claimed that the locker was moved about quite a lot at the time. It's inconceivable that they would have missed the key if it had of been present during the initial search of the area.

I don't think its inconceivable at all that a piece of evidence that would have likely been hidden was discovered after multiple searches. Just as you say its not possible someone else would say it is possible it was lodged somewhere, jammed at the back, fell out as it was moved, any number of things could have moved it under the slippers where given it had already been searched it may not have been found for a while after.

The show didn't really go into too much detail on it beyond showing us the defences argument. It's probably the closest they got to showing evidence tampering/planting and I'm inclined to fall on the side it was planted given what I've seen but I don't think they conclusively proved it by any means. As I said it's a murder trial, this is evidence with the suspects dna, it'd have to be a rock solid argument that it was planted. It was a 7 day trial, who knows how long they spent discussing this one thing and how well the prosecution argued it wasn't planted.