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Do you do the bare minimum at work?

eet fuk

I ask the question as there are a few people that I work with who probably work about 3 hours of an 8 hour day. They spend the rest of the time looking busy or drinking tea. Nobody else is blind to this carry on, but it seems as though the employees in question are untouchable as they have permanent contract and have been there so long. It drives me mad as I love my work and I really want the company to do well, but it's amazing how much a knock on effect these lazy f*ckers can have when it comes to getting things done - There are delays in getting things out to our customers and important tools/parts getting misplaced due to pure ICouldn'tGiveAFuckery. The fact that the majority of us are left picking up the slack is such a pain in the arse.

I know that a portion of the blame lies with management, who seem to have been letting this go on since long before I started - but I just don't understand the attitude. It's not as if this is a sh*tty job or anything - It's a relatively well paying engineering company, and they really do treat their employees well. It seems to me that it's impossible to actually fire someone unless they defecate on the bosses desk and take a swing at him.

Anyway, do you just do enough to not get fired or do you take pride in your job?
Do you think that it should be easier to sack people? Or perhaps you think it should be more difficult?

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blackcard

Ally Dick wrote: »

OP are you describing a job in the public service ?

My experience, having worked in both sectors, is that there are slightly more wasters in the public sector but not that much of a difference

fleet_admiral

No I work my bollox off and carry most of the others who couldnt give a shyte

smash

FTA69 wrote: »

If we followed your attitude above workers would still be doing 80 hour weeks and children would still be up chimneys coughing their lungs up.

Did you purposely not call me Hitler or was it a mistake?

smash

MadDog76 wrote: »

And that's the solution right there!!!

Companies want their employees to go the extra mile ......... for a slap on the back ....... if that!!!

Employees want more money before they work harder .......... never gonna happen!!!

Work should equal pay, problem solved.

You work to get paid. Work harder and be more productive and when you ask for it you'll get paid more and move up the ladder.

Don't work hard and don't become more productive and you won't get more. In fact, you should just be sacked. It's simple.

FTA69

smash wrote: »

I work in the private sector. I've never worked anywhere that the staff are unionised. Unions create laziness and an air of false self entitlement... As you've demonstrated.

I spent months working with cleaners in Canary Wharf and the City of London who were getting paid the minimum wage for doing a hard job during unsociable hours; most of them were West Africans and Latin Americans who would put in a 50 hour week but still ended up below the poverty line. All the while they were being indirectly employed by some of the richest organisations on the planet. On top of this they also faced horrendous working conditions with bullying supervisors, gang masters who extorted their wages even further and they rarely got any holiday or sick pay.

After they unionised and successfully organised huge swathes of them got the London Living Wage and a scrap of dignity at work. And fair play to them.

If we followed your attitude above workers would still be doing 80 hour weeks and children would still be up chimneys coughing their lungs up.

Corpus Twisty

the evasion_kid wrote: »

worked damn hard for years since i was a kid but have since given that up when i seen my reward was "jesus youre a great fella altogether....heres more for you to do"

This, pretty much. I work hard, and I always did, but apart from money you have no time to spend, the upside is rubbish. Everything gets dumped in your lap and you become responsible for everything..while others coast. Would I recommend slogging? No, not really. You get feck all thanks in the end, and even your family start whinging that "sure he's always bloomin working, the b0llix"..

MadDog76

foxy farmer wrote: »

If only we were paid according to our own productivity.

And that's the solution right there!!!

Companies want their employees to go the extra mile ......... for a slap on the back ....... if that!!!

Employees want more money before they work harder .......... never gonna happen!!!

Work should equal pay, problem solved.

the evasion_kid

tomwaterford wrote: »

In fairness...you Deffo flake out on work...posting around boards some days in middle of the working day :eek:

aongus wouldnt work on a heart machine...

foxy farmer

If only we were paid according to our own productivity.

tomwaterford

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

There are some disgraceful attitudes on display in this thread. If you have such contempt for your job then I'd suggest you find another one. Having such a feckless disregard for a place you spend a significant portion of your waking day suggests a complete and utter lack of motivation.

In fairness...you Deffo flake out on work...posting around boards some days in middle of the working day :eek:

smash

MadDog76 wrote: »

And then what? Go back to pre-unionised abusive employers ........ worry less about your posts sounding "cool" and more about inserting some logic into them.

I work in the private sector. I've never worked anywhere that the staff are unionised. Unions create laziness and an air of false self entitlement... As you've demonstrated.

Aongus Von Bismarck

There are some disgraceful attitudes on display in this thread. If you have such contempt for your job then I'd suggest you find another one. Having such a feckless disregard for a place you spend a significant portion of your waking day suggests a complete and utter lack of motivation.

mulbot

Work smart,not hard!!!!!

XR3i

smash wrote: »

"Then women need to work harder!" - Jimmy Carr

"machines are doing all the work nowadays" - bernard manning

MadDog76

smash wrote: »

And this, my friends, is why unions need to be abolished.

And then what? Go back to pre-unionised abusive employers ........ worry less about your posts sounding "cool" and more about inserting some logic into them.

smash

XR3i wrote: »

a woman's work is never done

"Then women need to work harder!" - Jimmy Carr

XR3i

a woman's work is never done

smash

MadDog76 wrote: »

I give the Company I work for as much loyalty and dedication as they have given me over the years ......... sweet f*ck all .......... I show up on time (a little late if I can get away with it), do as much as I have to do (a little less if I can get away with it) while there and leave on time .......... or a little earlier, if I can get away with it!

I've still gotten all my promotions and salary increases over the years (along with the "company men") despite my lack of interest ......... thank you Mr. Union and Mr. Labour Law!!!

And this, my friends, is why unions need to be abolished.

hairyslug

MadDog76 wrote: »

This whole "if you come in extra early (for free), work extra hard (for no more money) and stay extra late (for free) ........ who knows where you'll end up in the Company!" *wink wink* b0llocks is just that ........ b0llocks.

If you want to work long hours and give "110%" in order to reap the rewards ......... then work for yourself!

EDIT: May not apply to every Company/workplace/job ......... just most of them.

The whole department that I am in works like that,we don't take lunches when busy, we come in early and stay late without ever being asked about it. Yet every year we bitch and moan that we will stop doing it because we get no appreciation for it and we get dogs abuse for any mistakes or issues but we keep doing it.

It's a nice place to work though.

ectoraige

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Do what you do do well. That's my motto.

"A doo-doo here, a doo-doo there, I do a doo-doo everywhere." - Zuppy, 1989, The Fridge in a Denim Jacket, The O'Brien Press.

MadDog76

I remember a place I used to work the manager of the office (a complete gimp "company man" who still works there in the same role for the same money years later) said to me "you know, if you put in the extra hours and knuckle down, you could get a pay rise ........ maybe even a promotion"! to which I replied "imagine how hard I'd work if you gave me the pay rise now!" ......... he looked like a confused puppy, he just couldn't work out the logic!

Green Peter

I didn't think it was possible to do this in the private sector! Send to be wide spread, no wonder so many companies went to the wall when the recession hit!

mfceiling

Best line I ever heard from a lad was "a favour today is a duty tomorrow"

On the other hand...I do a bit of work for a few subbies in dublin. One is an absolute gentleman and I will always do a bit extra if needs be because he treats me very well and is appreciative of the work I do.

The other is a lad I know well and I won't give him an extra 5 mins. He is ignorant and wants blood from everyone.

Depends on how you are treated I suppose.

stateofflux

I respect people more that can exploit what they can get away with.

My uncle told me about this chap in a large Company who started coming in 15 mins late , nobody said anything so 15 minutes soon became an hour, then 3, then he stopped going in at all. when he came back 3 weeks later nobody had even noticed he was gone...

PropJoe10

I do my job to the letter of what I'm employed for. I get no extra thanks or money for putting in any extra effort, so I dont know why I'd bother.

MadDog76

endacl wrote: »

I think I understand why.

I bet I'm still on more money than you ......... with no stress, an early retirement plan and a hefty pension to look forward to!

MadDog76

This whole "if you come in extra early (for free), work extra hard (for no more money) and stay extra late (for free) ........ who knows where you'll end up in the Company!" *wink wink* b0llocks is just that ........ b0llocks.

If you want to work long hours and give "110%" in order to reap the rewards ......... then work for yourself!

EDIT: May not apply to every Company/workplace/job ......... just most of them.

mfceiling

Self employed so no bluffing here.

Worked for construction companies before where you were a "great fella" because you would work on in the evening and weekends.

Used to work for 1 company where I did 12 hour days and Saturdays as well as paperwork at home. 4 and a half years of that. Guess who was the first man out the door of that place? The lads who had company vans and missed every Monday? The lads who wrecked company vans while driving drunk and then doing a runner? The lads who went to temple bar every Thursday night and then never worked Friday? The lads who used to take 2 hour lunch breaks to get in a few pints?

Nah...this eejit here who never turned up late in all my time there or never went drinking and who probably smoothed the waters on a few jobs by "covering" the golden boys. Bigger fool me.

ricardo1

Schwiiing wrote: »

I get paid the bare minimum and I work accordingly.

Which is where this post will remain in value.

OP as your lazy colleagues are working less you and others who are working possibly now have to work more so you're actually being treated unfairly and being discriminated against in this type of working environment.

Management if they have any cop on would normally give the lazy ones a time frame to improve at doing x,y and z. If it's not adhered to then disciplinary steps are taken which may include dismissal.This should be in there T&C where a structure of disciplinary steps of warning verbal, written and then dismissal are explained.

Complain now or let the others take advantage of the situation.

Full Marx

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nope. I've seen people do the exact same thing in my office and be promoted for it so don't assume your experiences are the same as mine thanks.

Hopefully but we'll see.