La Fenetre wrote: » How did you come up with only respecting a human life that has 90% viability ? What happens when you get sick and your life drops to 89% viability ? Should we bump you off to save some taxpayers money ? How did you decide that a human life should only be respected at 26.0 weeks but not 25 weeks ? This child is shown at 25 weeks, and was given on a 30% chance of viability and lives well today. Ok to abort her ?
On what grounds ? Again how did you decide a human life should only be respected at 13 weeks and not 12 weeks ?
But its ok to terminate another human life ?
So why do you advocate for someone's abortion instead of their adoption ?
Would you also advocate for their abortion ?
But taking another human life is better option ?
No, define "personhood" for us, when it begins, and how you came up with when it does.
La Fenetre wrote: » Exactly what illness or injury is abortion the only cure for ?
La Fenetre wrote: » and why is it ok to take someone else's, life to cure someone else ?
eviltwin wrote: » Dial down the crazy there JC, I am not advocating eugenics or supporting the idea of pushing abortion or adoption on anyone but good try
The Randy Riverbeast wrote: » But pregnancy can lead to illness or injury. Abortion would prevent these. For a group who claims to consider the woman and child equal there is a lot of glossing over the health of the mother.
J C wrote: » I have nothing but absolute compassion for any woman who has had an abortion. However, a decision to kill is always other people's business ... and the reason why abortion isn't an easy decision is precisely because it kills much more than merely a 'cluster of cells' as aborion advocates sometimes term it.
I have no wish to make anybody feel any worse than they are already feeling ... far from it, I want to assure any woman who has had an abortion, that Jesus loves her and will forgive her, if she asks Him to do so. I also have to ask myself why women who have abortions feel terrible about is, as you say ... and surely minimising the number of women who have had abortions will also minimise the number of women feeling terrible about having done so ... when they could have the life-affirming experience of bringing their child to term.
I have no wish to make anybody feel worse than they already do ... but I do have to point out that a much easier decision would be to bring the baby to term ... and this will also not affect them afterwards, like abortion does, with many women, as you say.
So you want something that hurts many women and kills their children ... I don't see any logic or compassion in such a position.
J C wrote: » Abortion too can cause injury, illness and death to the women involved ... and it is nearly always fatal for the child involved. There is a lot of glossing over the physical and mental hurt caused to women by abortion.
More than 95 percent of women surveyed in a new U.S. study said they didn't regret having an abortion and felt that the procedure was the right decision for them. Researchers at the University of California San Francisco School of Medicine followed more than 600 women who underwent the procedure from 30 medical facilities over a three year period and regularly assessed how they felt about they choice they made. The women, aged 25 on average and from different racial and social backgrounds, were asked a series of questions including what had prompted them to terminate the pregnancy, what emotions the decision provoked and if they still thought it was the right thing to do.
Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion. Experts say the findings, though not unexpected, contradict some state laws that suggest abortions are high-risk procedures. The message is that getting an abortion and giving birth are both safe, said Dr. Anne Davis, who studies obstetrics and gynecology at the Columbia University Medical Center in New York, and wasn't involved in the new study. "We wouldn't tell people, 'Don't have a baby because it's safer to have an abortion' -- that's ridiculous," she told Reuters Health. "We're trying to help women who are having all reproductive experiences know what to expect."
Kiwi in IE wrote: » Perhaps she would feel more violated by spending nine months being forced to grow a foetus implanted in her body by her assailant, than she would by having an abortion. Hence why she should have a choice.
The Randy Riverbeast wrote: » A study in the US showed that 95%+ of women had no regrets and negative feelings towards it were more likely to be caused by other factors such as stigma around it. But on the other hand you have a video about 1 person, which to believe :rolleyes:
J C wrote: » Dial down the personal unfounded insult please. You said 'There are a lot of people out there who shouldn't have kids, who are not fit to take care of an animal let alone a child.' ... I'll bet you weren't thinking about the so called 'upper classes' in society when you were saying this ... the logic of your position is that abortion should be preferentially made available to such people ... because you are justifying abortion as a solution for them.
J C wrote: » What is the study you refer to? Its more like 95% have regrets over abortion, like this young woman:-
Delirium wrote: » As posted just a few posts ago
lazybones32 wrote: » @therandyriverbeast: Can you reference this 'study' or even tell us what magazine/webpage you got this stat from?
Delirium wrote: » Source All choices carry the potential for regret, does that mean we should remove the possibilty of making choices from people? And regarding medical safety of having abortions...Source
J C wrote: » What is the study you refer to? Its more like 95% have regrets over abortion, like this young woman who calls her abortion the worst mistake she ever made in her life:-
eviltwin wrote: » I don't regret my abortion. It was the right thing to do then and eight years later I know without doubt it was the right choice. And I don't feel an iota of guilt either but I don't think people with an obvious agenda like to heat that do they :rolleyes:
Delirium wrote: » As posted just a few posts ago Now, can you provide any alternate studies that support your claim?
J C wrote: » Interestingly, these studies have found that "The best available data indicates that on average there is a five to ten year period of denial during which a woman who was traumatized by her abortion will repress her feelings.23,24 During this time, the woman may go to great lengths to avoid people, situations, or events which she associates with her abortion and she may even become vocally defensive of abortion in order to convince others, and herself, that she made the right choice and is satisfied with the outcome. In reality, these women who are subsequently identified as having been severely traumatized, have failed to reach a true state of "closure" with regard to their experiences." This may explain the 95% figure of 'no regret' over the first 3 years in the other study ... where the women involved 'put on a brave face' whilst in denial of what had happened.
J C wrote: » As against your study that says nearly no woman regretted their abortion ... here are references to 9 studies that clearly demonstrate that the do suffer seriously in many cases:- Quote:- Studies within the first few weeks after the abortion have found that between 40 and 60 percent of women questioned report negative reactions. Within 8 weeks after their abortions, 55% expressed guilt, 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor.http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/studentsforlife/cost.html Interestingly, these studies have found that "The best available data indicates that on average there is a five to ten year period of denial during which a woman who was traumatized by her abortion will repress her feelings.23,24 During this time, the woman may go to great lengths to avoid people, situations, or events which she associates with her abortion and she may even become vocally defensive of abortion in order to convince others, and herself, that she made the right choice and is satisfied with the outcome. In reality, these women who are subsequently identified as having been severely traumatized, have failed to reach a true state of "closure" with regard to their experiences." This may explain the 95% figure of 'no regret' over the first 3 years in the other study ... where the women involved 'put on a brave face' whilst in denial of what had happened.
eviltwin wrote: » So even when we say we have no regrets we do.......right
J C wrote: » I accept that this was your experience of abortion ... but other woman haven't had your experience. BTW, I have no particular agenda as I am not involved in either the pro-life or pro-abortion lobbies.
A clear trend emerges from this systematic review: the highest quality studies had findings that were mostly neutral, suggesting few, if any, differences between women who had abortions and their respective comparison groups in terms of mental health sequelae. Conversely, studies with the most flawed methodology found negative mental health sequelae of abortion.
J C wrote: » Humans can have different reactions to high intensity life-changing events.
Kiwi in IE wrote: » Nor do my close friend or close family member who had abortions back home regret them. But random people who have posted on YouTube with a 'pro life' agenda apparently do, and that holds more weight it seems.
lazygal wrote: » What legal consequences should girls and women who've had abortions face?
Most adult women who terminate a pregnancy do not experience mental health problems.
