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Future Classics

Tzar Chasm

As someone mentioned in the other thread, in relation to all the mk2 escorts we all wrecked as kids in fields, Hindsight is 20/20.

which got me thinking, what modern cars have that something special that will have folks falling over themselves to acquire in 20-30 years time.

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whisky_galore

littlevillage wrote: »

The Elephant in the room regarding "classic" cars is that nobody will be driving vehicles with Internal combustion engines in 20 years time. Everything will be electric/battery/hydrogen by then.

A couple more smallish advances eg. ramp up the infrastructure (charging points) and make a few improvements to battery life ....and its curtains for fossil fuel engines.

So your future classics could be worthless .. it will probably be illegal to drive them. (or prohibitively expensive to pay for a special carbon emissions license $$$$)

Won't be the case at all, far too many car fanciers worldwide and people who won't be able to afford new cars so they will have to keep their old clunkers on the road.

Sure they take smoky old 19th cent technology steam locomotives out for runs here and in the uk burning nasty old coal and our usually OTT H&S culture doesn't have a blue fit about them either.

bcklschaps

Dow99 wrote: »

The Pininfarina designed Peugeot 406 coupé.

http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/mrobbo15/media/Car%20sale%20photos/IMG_2395_zps5b6a2d58.jpg.html

Agreed, I think they will become future classics. Especially the V6 in Silver or Red (or even sky blue)

Everything that it takes to be a classic, beautiful looks, great driving, fairly exclusive without being ultra expensive to get parts for, reliable (they are based on bog standard but solid 406 Saloon) and most came lavishly equipped.

One other important point, the successor is not nearly as nice... so there was a limited production run.

Would already be a classic but they were actually quite popular (sold well).. and that means there are still lots around.

V6's are scarce in Ireland and I reckon you could turn a profit on a good V6 in as little as 5 years time.

bcklschaps

littlevillage wrote: »

The Elephant in the room regarding "classic" cars is that nobody will be driving vehicles with Internal combustion engines in 20 years time. Everything will be electric/battery/hydrogen by then.

A couple more smallish advances eg. ramp up the infrastructure (charging points) and make a few improvements to battery life ....and its curtains for fossil fuel engines.

So your future classics could be worthless .. it will probably be illegal to drive them. (or prohibitively expensive to pay for a special carbon emissions license $$$$)

Yes .. probably we will all be driving Electric (or at least hybrid) cars in 20 Years time .. but that will make traditional Internal Combustion Engined cars even more exclusive .. so possibly more valuable. (for those that can afford to run them)

Yakkyda

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

these are a contender, especially if you can get a mivec. The mirage was a coupe version, very rare

Mirage even rarer in manual in Ireland.

Nekarsulm

littlevillage wrote: »

The Elephant in the room regarding "classic" cars is that nobody will be driving vehicles with Internal combustion engines in 20 years time. Everything will be electric/battery/hydrogen by then.

A couple more smallish advances eg. ramp up the infrastructure (charging points) and make a few improvements to battery life ....and its curtains for fossil fuel engines.

So your future classics could be worthless .. it will probably be illegal to drive them. (or prohibitively expensive to pay for a special carbon emissions license $$$$)

Not a problem. If everyone has an electric car in twenty years, I'll just pull the biggest motor I can out of a crashed car and transplant into my W123.
As there are almost no wearing parts, second hand el. motors will be cheap as chips.

Anyone remember the German guy who did this with his Mk 3 Polo?
He works for the electric forklift manufacturer, Jungheinrich.

Thinkingaboutit

bcklschaps wrote: »

Yes .. probably we will all be driving Electric (or at least hybrid) cars in 20 Years time .. but that will make traditional Internal Combustion Engined cars even more exclusive .. so possibly more valuable. (for those that can afford to run them)

I have my doubts on that.

DakarVert

Some people are missing the point, OP means cars practically worthless now that will rise in price.

How many Mk1/2 Escorts were driven in fields or blocking gaps? Look what there worth now... Try to find the modern equivalent.

Mk1 Mondeo (A Ghia or Si Model)
Can't remember the last time I seen one on the road, Not going to go Mk1 Escort mad obviously.

Mk3 Fiesta, Will follow on the Mk1&2s.
Also a Puma 1.7.

E36 has to be in with a chance, How many got diffed/wrecked. I can see a decent 318is & bigger being worth €5k in a few years.

Notch000

all the auld fords will be well rotten to pieces before there ever classics, the tim man is the biggest killer of them these days

w124man

DakarVert wrote: »

Mk1 Mondeo (A Ghia or Si Model)
Can't remember the last time I seen one on the road,

I reckon a Mk 1 Mondeo is as collectable as galloping knob rot!

DakarVert

w124man wrote: »

I reckon a Mk 1 Mondeo is as collectable as galloping knob rot!

They'll get there.

People probably said the same about the Cortina, Then the Sierra. They're both collectable now.

Dades

littlevillage wrote: »

The Elephant in the room regarding "classic" cars is that nobody will be driving vehicles with Internal combustion engines in 20 years time. Everything will be electric/battery/hydrogen by then.

Even our hoverboards?

Tzar Chasm

Notch000 wrote: »

all the auld fords will be well rotten to pieces before there ever classics, the tim man is the biggest killer of them these days

Somebody should have a word with this Tim fella

swarlb

littlevillage wrote: »

The Elephant in the room regarding "classic" cars is that nobody will be driving vehicles with Internal combustion engines in 20 years time. Everything will be electric/battery/hydrogen by then.

A couple more smallish advances eg. ramp up the infrastructure (charging points) and make a few improvements to battery life ....and its curtains for fossil fuel engines.

So your future classics could be worthless .. it will probably be illegal to drive them. (or prohibitively expensive to pay for a special carbon emissions license $$$$)

Will we all be wearing silver suits, eating protein tablets, have hunger and poverty banished and spend our days 'contemplating'....and will 'freedom fighters' worldwide have abandoned their Toyotas in favour of 'emissions friendly' hydrogen powered troop carriers.... 20 years is a very short amount of time... the world wont have changed that much..

gholian

The new FIAT 500 I think. Streets ahead of the mini in my book.

ianobrien

It pains me to say it, but I reckon the Civic Type R's will be (but not the new turbo one). The last of the proper screaming naturally aspirated engine and decent FWD handling. The current crop of RenaultSport Clios also for the same reason.

Any proper Fast Ford (but not the "warm" versions) will always have a following, the decent Golf GTi's also. The '02 Passat & Bora diesel I can see in 20 years going for silly money due to people reliving their felt Spec days.

What will kill off cars I reckon will be spares availability of things like DMF's, DPF's, ECU failures and silly sensors. There is so much difference in electronics even between trim levels in some models that swapping parts out of a scrapper (thats not the same year and trim level) will become very very hard.

I think the Bini and the new 500 won't become classics as they are marketing ploys to cash in on an old brand and in the classic world, people will want the original. That being said, the Bini Cooper S is a very fun car to chuck down a twisty road.

colm_mcm

theres a whole generation to whom the bmw mini is just a cool car, and they don't care as much about the original one. I can't see how it wouldn't be sought after in the future. especially as they seem to get less charismatic with every revision.

Tzar Chasm

Yeah the 02 vws are a contender

On the topic of the mini and 500, what about the beetle?

Nekarsulm

The amount of Passage that pass through the local scrap metal recycling yard is astounding. The front drive shafts, intercooler hoses and throttlebody and other sensors vanish at once.
For a car that sold in tens of thousands, the early passats with the squarer tail lights are getting scarce.
Same as happened with mk2 escorts, mk4 cortinas , Asconas and Rekords .

colm_mcm

I haven't seen an early b5 Passat with orange front indicators in years. The base models had these. They hardly all swapped them for clear ones?

Nekarsulm

They got the brains drove out of them, especially by farmers towing trailers. Now the 01 and 02 models are worth less than the cost of putting a clutch and flywheel in, so people just buy sanother one with the clutch done, pull off any useful parts and the wheels off the old one, and weight them in.

Silvera

^^^ I spotted a very straight '98 Passat in use today. (I didnt see the front...I presume it would have orange indicators?). There's a few survivors out there!

Nekarsulm

Snap! Saw a red one in Cavan today. Again, only saw it going away from me!

ba_barabus

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The amount of Passage that pass through the local scrap metal recycling yard is astounding. The front drive shafts, intercooler hoses and throttlebody and other sensors vanish at once.
For a car that sold in tens of thousands, the early passats with the squarer tail lights are getting scarce.
Same as happened with mk2 escorts, mk4 cortinas , Asconas and Rekords .

I was offereda B4 Passat recently (a late 96 model) and felt it too new to be bothered with for shows next year. I haven't seen a good one in an age mind. It was a 2l petrol model.

corradoman

Has to be a VW corrado,

whisky_galore

colm_mcm wrote: »

theres a whole generation to whom the bmw mini is just a cool car, and they don't care as much about the original one. I can't see how it wouldn't be sought after in the future. especially as they seem to get less charismatic with every revision.

No young lad would be seen dead in a new Mini or new Beetle, smacks of a "daddy's little girl" car.

whisky_galore

Think what will kill a lot of future classics is the amount of electronic/computerised gimcracks manufacturers put in cars nowadays. Going to be hard to source or repair these.

Max Headroom

Anyone who likes their hot rods could do a lot worse than pick up one of these before they disappear ...cheap now...;)

colm_mcm

Mgf

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whisky_galore wrote: »

Think what will kill a lot of future classics is the amount of electronic/computerised gimcracks manufacturers put in cars nowadays. Going to be hard to source or repair these.

There's lots of cases of obsolete hardware being emulated by software running on generic modern hardware. You'll end up with a generic ECU that can be configured to operate for a range of cars, common cars from Asian markets will be most likely to be supported.

Thinkingaboutit

colm_mcm wrote: »

Mgf

There aren't too many around either, although the Chinese might have made a lot of them since Rover died.