RobertKK wrote: » It has been found that over in England that gender based abortions are happening among certain communities. One can't try and ignore what they don't like.
super_furry wrote: » Abortion isn't a man's issue and you can't make it one. No man will ever be forced to have a baby against their will.
eviltwin wrote: » It happens but it's a small number of overall abortions. Most abortions happen in the first trimester at a stage where the gender wouldn't be known.
RobertKK wrote: » The independent in the UK went and looked at birth statistics, normally it is around 50/50 for female/male babies. They saw discrepancies in immigrant communities for 2011 which was the year they went into detail stats to see what was happening, figures suggested up to 4,700 unborn females were aborted in England in 2011 for being female and not male, even though the practice is illegal.
Wompa1 wrote: » Raising and support a child is. I'm not talking about granting men the ability to force a woman to have an abortion. It would still be her choice what she does but it would also give the man a choice on whether to not he wants to be a father.
Gaygooner wrote: » Any citation for that? (Other that The Irish Catholic or some other Kristian mouthpiece)
Gaygooner wrote: » Wear a condom?
tobsey wrote: » I'd say all the parties will commit to a referendum in their manifesto but we'll see.
Baggy Trousers wrote: » Don't underestimate how cowardly our TDs are...
Orangebrigade wrote: » The babies who are murdered in the thousands seem to have no human rights. The disgrace of our time.
RobertKK wrote: » http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lost-girls-illegal-abortion-widely-used-by-some-uk-ethnic-groups-to-avoid-daughters-has-reduced-9059790.html
Gaygooner wrote: » that refers to illegal abortions.
bennyl10 wrote: » Sure she can take the pill? Not like a condom will ever fail.. "didn't wear a condom, it broke? Ah well sure that's God's will and what not, baby for you!".. an abortion should never be used as a form of contraception and no-one would advocate that anywhere.. but to say tough luck now, you deal with it, is just a silly argument! Christ alive have we seriously fallen to a point where "wear a condom" is an actual argument?..
RobertKK wrote: » Gender based abortions are illegal, but there is nothing to prove they were based on that, so what is illegal can be made legal...they have a 'choice' of excuses for abortion.
Gaygooner wrote: » Women can't always be on the pill.
c_man wrote: » Agreed. If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she should get her tubes tied. Jesus Christ.
eviltwin wrote: » Psychologically it's easier for a man to walk away from a crisis pregnancy than it is for a woman. Sure a woman can have an abortion but she may not want to. Sure she can then place it for adoption but that's a huge emotional burden to bear after carrying a child for nine months. If she goes it alone why should she be forced to rely on taxpayers. As a taxpayer who can't afford another child I already resent paying for irresponsible people without paying for more. To be honest even if men could remove themselves from the responsibility I hope most wouldn't.
Gaygooner wrote: » Yes but you were saying if a man doesn't want a baby. Women have many options.
Gaygooner wrote: » A lot do. Then also, a lot of women deny fathers right to their kids, its a dreadful situation. The option of early abortions helps.
RobertKK wrote: » So do men. Don't have sex. Don't have unprotected sex, Get a vasectomy. the new male pill.
eviltwin wrote: » An early abortion is great only if you want an abortion. It's hard enough having an abortion you know is the right choice, how much damage could it do to feel pressured into aborting a baby you actually want.
Gaygooner wrote: » If they want it you shouldn't be forced the abort it, likewise if you don't, you should also have that choice.
eviltwin wrote: » What, the choice to force you to have the baby?
Gaygooner wrote: » Women can't always be on the pill. Condoms are safer and more effective birth control. Condoms help prevent unwanted outcomes. If they agree they can have an abortion, but a man should not impose his will on the body of a women, so he has the choices available to him. Snip or condom.
questionmark? wrote: » Ah right that's sorted so. A man should not force a woman to have a child but it's ok to force a child on a man. Ya know it takes two to tango! Abortion isn't as straight forward as your post suggests.
Jimoslimos wrote: » If people thought the debate surrounding the marriage equality referendum was nasty at times, wait until they see an abortion referendum.
Gaygooner wrote: » a man shouldn't force a woman through pregnany is my point.
