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Garda hits man with baton NAMA

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I'm not a protestor but turning around and smashing a middle age behind the ear with a baton, he needs to be prosecuted.

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esforum

Superhorse wrote: »

I'd say given the evidence the loss of job is a given. He'd be doing well to avoid prison given the seriousness of the assault.

He has a bump, a bump on the head that we are assuming was caused by the Garda.

Seriousness of the assault, would ya cop on I got worse from my father

hots

Superhorse wrote: »

Bad form on the address. Nobody can assault a sick old person like that and expect to remain unnamed though.

Would ya stop with the emotive crap. You have an argument, you make it look farcical using language like that.

Superhorse

Mr.S wrote: »

Says it all about the "protestors" tbh. Disgraceful.

And you have the evidence one of the protesters gave out the Gardaí's name and address then I suppose or is it just unsubstantiated boll ox?

esforum

Evidence that its assault or that the man is sick?

Didnt know being sick absolved you of the law, must remember to rob a bank next time I have a cold. Not a man flu though, wouldnt risk going outdoors with that!

If I rob the bank with just a piece of paper claiming something sinister and dont have a weapon, not physically violent nor do I actually speak. Can the Gardai actually do anything to me? Just curious, ya know seeing as they must uise less force than they are threatened with apparantly.

Superhorse

darced wrote: »

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I'd say given the evidence the loss of job is a given. He'd be doing well to avoid prison given the seriousness of the assault.

Superhorse

quarefarmers wrote: »

The guards name and address is doing the rounds on social media.

Bad form on the address. Nobody can assault a sick old person like that and expect to remain unnamed though.

darced

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relax carry on

I'm so tired of these groups. They seem to have lost the ability to conduct peaceful protests which include obeying the laws of the state they are apart of and following the instructions of Gardaí. If they have a problem with the way their protest was policed or if an incident occurred which needs investigation then there are official channels and processes to follow.

They really only seem to exist to provoke the Gardai or whatever body they have decided is their enemy for that particular protest. What did these groups do before the rise of social media and why do we pay any attention to them now?

esforum

STB. wrote: »

He should have said stand back, stand back. I have told you to stand back. Do not have me use force.

Its pretty standard training.

Also you do not extend an asp above your shoulder and strike with your full weight.

Stop talking, just stop. I have read you state how you use a baton a few times now and your wrong.

You can extend the baton by flicking it over your shoulder or down to the ground depending on circumstances.

IF and I repeat IF no audible warning has already been given you SHOULD give one.

You aim for soft tissue areas, legs and arms where and when possible

Where and when the situation arises you may use your baton without audible warning

you may use your baton to quell breaches of the peace or disperse and unruly crowd.

You may, believe it or not hit people with the bottom of the baton without extending it and punch people while holding the baton if need be.

You always swing with your full weight, the situation has reached a level where you feel force is needed, not tickles.

You DO hit more than one time if need be, Namely the aggressive person falls down or backup. Again it depends on circumstances

thats Garda training as approved by ASP. Maybe other police forces do it their own way but I know the ASP approved method is the most common one.

I dont believe the Garda will be charged and I suspect that actually the man who by his own admission only has a bump (Strange only getting a bump despite supposedly being hit 2 on the head full force by a baton) will not co-operate with GSOC because remember, they dont recognise the state or its Acts.

Besides all that, look at social media, dont tell me this was peaceful and dont tell me it was only a biut of shoving, the idiots have let their true colours be shown quite clearly and anyone that wants to attack a persons home with his family inside it is not a 'protestor'

Míshásta

hots wrote: »

Such a scummy thing to do (to anyone).

Would you except anything else from that crowd.

esforum

coolemon wrote: »

Whatever happened to dealing with things peacefully?

Lashing out in violence is never acceptable.

remember that when the criminal murdering, raping, robbing or just plain assaulting your wife or kids despite your calm and measured arguement that violence is wrong

hots

quarefarmers wrote: »

The guards name and address is doing the rounds on social media.

Such a scummy thing to do (to anyone).

Samaris

quarefarmers wrote: »

The guards name and address is doing the rounds on social media.

Bad form, that.

I don't agree with the Garda's actions, but what possible good can come of that sort of thing?

quarefarmers

The guards name and address is doing the rounds on social media.

seamus

Superhorse wrote: »

The old man he hit had Parkinson's disease and seemed to be just picking himself off the ground after being knocked down.

Where are you getting that nonsense from?

hots

Superhorse wrote: »

IF and it's a big if the old man was shoving and stealing the Garda's notebook he should have simply been arrested, end of.

The Garda was trying to do that with another member of the crowd when the rest of them started to interfere. If he could have easily arrested him he obviously would have.

colly4211

He got what he was looking for so sick of listening to peaceful protest

Gulliver

Jeebus. All I can say is that as a country, we have a lot to bother us if we're whining about a Garda knocking lumps out of a clearly belligerent crowd. People seem to think that opposition to the Gardai is the norm, from the simple flashing of lights for checkpoints (and then wondering why car thieves aren't caught or drunk drivers still mow people down - you just helped them evade the goddamn checkpoint) to thinking that acting like boisterous, disobedient schoolkids quoting bullsh1t legal advice and shouting "peaceful protest" whilst surrounding around an officer of the law is OK.

I think there are some very stupid laws out there, however I obey them as they apply to everyone. As a nation, we seem to think it's OK to flout any law if we don't agree with it. If you don't like or agree with a law, contact law reform or petition your local TD. Don't act like a bloody spoiled child.

Superhorse

kbannon wrote: »

If his Parkinson's is so bad why was he pushing against the garda? Was the garda to have assumed that the dick standing beside him pushing and shoving and seemingly trying to take his notebook had a long term illness and treated him differently to any other thug that pushes/shoves/steals?

IF and it's a big if the old man was shoving and stealing the Garda's notebook he should have simply been arrested, end of. No civil society should except that a member of it's police force should hit someone over the head with a metal bar because they are unable to do their job. They are trained how to deal with those situations and get paid to do a job not act like thugs. Again if the roles where reversed the old man would rightfully be sitting in a cell right now facing court and possible jail time for assault. This Garda or no member of the Gardaí is above the law and we as a society should never except or expect them to be.

Jayop

Darkglasses wrote: »

If I physically interfered with a Garda in the middle of making an arrest, with >20 other people shouting in his face, I'd fully expect a few smacks.

If this was in America there'd have been people killed.

Jayop

I'm torn on this one. Whilst I sympathise with the Guard for losing his rag in the face of such verbal and physical provocation whilst trying to go about his job, he also looks to have stepped way over the limit with that lash with the baton. Whatever was going on before the situation had calmed until he ragged the old buck over the neck like that.

Seth Brundle

Superhorse wrote: »

The old man he hit had Parkinson's disease and seemed to be just picking himself off the ground after being knocked down. Shameful to hear anyone defend the action of that particular Garda as he is a terrible example of the fantastic work done by our police force nationwide. If the roles where reversed the old man would be in shackles right now facing court this evening I see no reason why this particular Garda should be above the law.

If his Parkinson's is so bad why was he pushing against the garda? Was the garda to have assumed that the dick standing beside him pushing and shoving and seemingly trying to take his notebook had a long term illness and treated him differently to any other thug that pushes/shoves/steals?

Darkglasses

If I physically interfered with a Garda in the middle of making an arrest, with >20 other people shouting in his face, I'd fully expect a few smacks.

Clandestine

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Here's a list of freemen successes that makes interesting reading

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_successes

Linking to rationalwiki is like linking to conservapedia

Superhorse

NachoBusiness wrote: »

The Guard had time enough, and room enough, to compose himself, put his notebook away and then turn around and face the man and yet still people are suggesting that he was justified in taking out his baton and beating a man about the head and shoulders with it? A man who was not physically threatening him or anyone else? Are you people for real?

I can't stand the arsehole crowd involved here by the way, have no time for them, but a lot of people on this thread seem to be unable to separate their understandable disdain for these people and their judgement on what is right and what is wrong and what happened here was unquestionably wrong. It was a violent assault and an unprovoked one at that. His reaction was disproportionate, to say the least. But, but, but.. he tried to take his copy book! Seriously? And since when did such an action warrant a violent baton charge?

Hopefully he'll find himself before the courts.

One can't help but wonder also, if he is willing to lose his cool so easily, in front of members of the public, many of whom are recording proceedings, what would it take for him to snap in the barracks.

The old man he hit had Parkinson's disease and seemed to be just picking himself off the ground after being knocked down. Shameful to hear anyone defend the action of that particular Garda as he is a terrible example of the fantastic work done by our police force nationwide. If the roles where reversed the old man would be in shackles right now facing court this evening I see no reason why this particular Garda should be above the law.

gctest50

STB. wrote: »

As many times as possible to deflate a situation.

You must only use the baton when under threat.

This guy completely lost it.

Last time. You DO NOT raise an asp that far above your head.

Like the comment above, I hate all the hippy socialist over reactionary type people myself, but no one could condone that behaviour. If you cannot control your temper in those situations, you are in the wrong job.

Ultimately GSOC will call if unreasonable force was used and the penalties.

Over and out.

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Muahahaha

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

There was an arrested man on the ground when the Garda was pushed by the crowd behind him. They were trying to prevent the arrest. That's when he turned and struck the man. Looks to me like a shoulder strike but I'm sure we'll see pictures of the injury soon enough to confirm.

Can you tell us what is the procedure/training in the use of a baton? As in should the Garda draw his baton and then issue a verbal warning? Or is using it without warning permitted in certain circumstances?

corner of hells

NachoBusiness wrote: »

The Guard had time enough, and room enough, to compose himself, put his notebook away and then turn around and face the man and yet still people are suggesting that he was justified in taking out his baton and beating a man about the head and shoulders with it? A man who was not physically threatening him or anyone else? Are you people for real?

I can't stand the arsehole crowd involved here by the way, have no time for them, but a lot of people on this thread seem to be unable to separate their understandable disdain for these people and their judgement on what is right and what is wrong and what happened here was unquestionably wrong. It was a violent assault and an unprovoked one at that. His reaction was disproportionate, to say the least. But, but, but.. he tried to take his copy book! Seriously? And since when did such an action warrant a violent baton charge?

Hopefully he'll find himself before the courts.

One can't help but wonder also, if he is willing to lose his cool so easily, in front of members of the public, many of whom are recording proceedings, what would it take for him to snap in the barracks.

All apart from the fact that he was impeded initially while trying to arrest an individual allegedly for assaulting someone.

STB.

gctest50 wrote: »

how many times is he supposed to say it ?

he's a garda not an Expressway bus

As many times as possible to deflate a situation.

You must only use the baton when under threat.

This guy completely lost it.

Last time. You DO NOT raise an asp that far above your head.

Like the comment above, I hate all the hippy socialist over reactionary type people myself, but no one could condone that behaviour. If you cannot control your temper in those situations, you are in the wrong job.

Ultimately GSOC will call if unreasonable force was used and the penalties.

Over and out.

NachoBusiness

The Guard had time enough, and room enough, to compose himself, put his notebook away and then turn around and face the man and yet still people are suggesting that he was justified in taking out his baton and beating a man about the head and shoulders with it? A man who was not physically threatening him or anyone else? Are you people for real?

I can't stand the arsehole crowd involved here by the way, have no time for them, but a lot of people on this thread seem to be unable to separate their understandable disdain for these people and their judgement on what is right and what is wrong and what happened here was unquestionably wrong. It was a violent assault and an unprovoked one at that. His reaction was disproportionate, to say the least. But, but, but.. he tried to take his copy book! Seriously? And since when did such an action warrant a violent baton charge?

Hopefully he'll find himself before the courts.

One can't help but wonder also, if he is willing to lose his cool so easily, in front of members of the public, many of whom are recording proceedings, what would it take for him to snap in the barracks.