Cavanjack wrote: » Talking to an agent today he said they'll rise again in a month. Yeah The Ifa are due a press release soon alright. " farmers hold out on selling stock, insist on €4 bla bla..."
Cavanjack wrote: » Just read on the indo Henry burns has said "agents need to insist farmers are getting a base price for steers in the €3.90-3.95 range". What an organisation!
CloughCasey1 wrote: » I think long term the factories and ifa will strike a deal on a base price of around 3.80 for a fixed term. With "bonuses" for in spec carcases. Anything that doesn't meet the spec of the base price could be heavily penalised up to 24c in some cases for under/over fleshed animals. And they will keep the 30mts and between 310 and 360 deadweight. I can see the aa and hex schemes be strenghtened further. The lads that produce these animals don't give a flying fup about the beef trade (dairy men) so I think that larry and his merry men will try and play it towards extra "benefits" for the rearer/finisher and deliberately put an extra squeeze on the suckler farmer producing these in the factories eyes "over priced" weanlings and making it harder to buy stores for their finishers. I think they will exploit the expansion of the dairy sector to the last euro. They have the power and the money to do as they please.
Willfarman wrote: » Meat industry Ireland never have and never will do deals with the ifa. Unless we see live export for the surplus 2015 stock the processers are going to be firmly in the driving seat and merciless with price and spec.
patsy_mccabe wrote: » Just looking at Bord Bia figures.Export Numbers Year To Date - 143k Last year - 192KFactory numbers Year To Date - 1,133k Last year - 1,187K
CloughCasey1 wrote: » Then there is no limit to where it will stop. Going on the figurea Pudsey had for us a few weeks back it made simple supply and demand sense for the prices to hit 4.20-30 again in November. All they do is manipulate the market to suit the situation. This is the only period in a long time that supply is actually thin. What happens when there is 33 or 34k cattle for processing weekly??? The ifa are the biggest laughing stock ever.
patsy_mccabe wrote: » Just looking at Bord Bia figures.Export Numbers Year To Date - 143k Last year - 192KFactory numbers Year To Date - 1,133kLast year - 1,187K
rangler1 wrote: » Why target a traditionally poor time to sell beef cattle, ie September /October, why not target june/july, I wouldn't be too hopeful for November, factories will have feedlot cattle to ensure they can fill the pre Christmas contacts, I hear there's feedlots set up around the country for lambs now, don't know of any one that's actually seen one All the hobby farmers are selling at the moment and they just ask when will you take them
CloughCasey1 wrote: » So what's your lot going to do about it?
rangler1 wrote: » Not my problem now, but why sell at what has always been a bad time of the year. Farmers selling in june/july would've had higher cost and probably deserved that 30/40c extra they got
CloughCasey1 wrote: » so it's the farmers fault now
Willfarman wrote: » Fair point rangler but non the less we have conceded defeat to the beef barons and become price takers be it spring summer or winter.
rangler1 wrote: » Get real, it's business...do you buy your inputs as cheap as you can. Well beef processors are the same. Farming's going nowhere at the moment, if there was no subsidies, farmers couldn't afford thee luxury of feeding cattle and the market would work, ie low prices curing low prices etc, but farmers are happy to let the BPS subsidise their beef enterprise, so low prices doesn't cause a reduction in supply
CloughCasey1 wrote: » All the unions in the country have hard nosed campaigners fighting their corner. (I have my own business so unions wouldn't be my cup of tea). The teachers unions last week managed to put a spanner in the works for the government in relation to a change in the junior cert. Why oh why cannot farmers have elected representatives that actually can fight for their own instead of just of producing soundbites that sound good but have no back up. It's amazing really seeing that farming individually is one of the biggest industries in the country.
Willfarman wrote: » You are no longer a fighting farmer rangler.. You've lost the fire in the belly. The injustice of beef barons. The very term infuriates me. This goes far beyond the beef farmer. The engineering firms ,the marts ,the local tyre fitter ,the local electrician ,local feed mill ,local mechanic, jobs incomes families viable rural economies not ffing beef baron with private jets and helicopters flying in and out of racecourses
CloughCasey1 wrote: » Agents will only look out for themselves. It's their job to source cattle for factories more so than looking after their loyal customers.
CloughCasey1 wrote: » What's your reading on those figures patsy?
locha wrote: » Quoted 3.90 for a load of Steers on the grid.
locha wrote: » Cavan. Not sure what others are getting but for the man rolling in with his 4s and 5s in a jeep and trailer best I heard was 3.85.
Cassidy2 wrote: » Any quotes for next week are they back 5 cent.or are they the same
CloughCasey1 wrote: » Howya cass. Nice drop of rain on the way I think. Was grand to get a week dry all the same. Were ya watching the Irish match? Lets hope they were more focused on what is coming next week cos whatever about next week but the all blacks will hammer us if we play like that again. On the prices front they will probably either drop the 5c or else stay static. Depending on how bad this weather break is. But to be sure all the agents will be ringing lads saying, ya better offload them now sure as there is a talk of a 10c pull next week with the tail end of this hurricane heading straight for us at the weekend sure you'll have them housed and on silage and meal, and where will ya put all the weanlings ya bought if it doesn't improve after that. Typical run of the mill week coming id say. So did ya watch the match?
