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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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Dawggone

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Fanciful thinking I'm afraid Dawg, we can't even sort out supermarket/meat factory shenanigans here, never mind taking on a global cartel of fertiliser price fixers!

I'm thinking along the lines of the europeanwide farm unions DSW. Brussels could put a spanner in the (fert!) works...
I'm thinking that with grain stocks high and price low, there will be a fall in consumption which may lead to downward pressure on fert price.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Dawggone wrote: »

I'm thinking along the lines of the europeanwide farm unions DSW. Brussels could put a spanner in the (fert!) works...
I'm thinking that with grain stocks high and price low, there will be a fall in consumption which may lead to downward pressure on fert price.

I wouldn't bet on it, Dawg, I remember reading a few weeks ago that one of the major players (in Russia, iirc) had shut down a plant due to a drop in demand so that will balance supplies up fairly well:(

Dawggone

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I wouldn't bet on it, Dawg, I remember reading a few weeks ago that one of the major players (in Russia, iirc) had shut down a plant due to a drop in demand so that will balance supplies up fairly well:(

I missed that. Been away for a couple of weeks and I don't keep much of an eye on the fert market until October...

To put the thread back on track....any chance of shutting down Fonterra?...:)

kevthegaff

Thats what we could see next, processors in trouble. Fontera have high debt levels so youd imagine pulling product will be a risky strategy... but hey who am i to know im just at the bottom of the chain:-)

Greengrass1

jaymla627 wrote: »

know of a few cases where sfp are paid directly to banks towards loans taken out for dairy expansion, considerable amounts too, wouldnt like to be trying to collect money of these guys on the assumption said lads above will clear up their accounts when the sfp cheque comes in

Nothing wrong with that could aswell be the milk cheque.
Won't it mean the milk cheque is available

blue5000

No big pot of gold at arrabawn for suppliers this month anyway.

browned

Greengrass1 wrote: »

31.55 cpl
3.88p
4.46 bf
Scc 109

August 14
41.5 cpl
3.87 p
4.40 bf
110scc

So this is how we differ down in west cork, have similar bf and scc to you gg but your protein is a bit higher. If you average the the 2014 and 2015 prices you'll be getting 36.52 while I'll be on 37.33cpl

August 2015
35.20cpl
3.77pr
4.42bf
130 scc

August 2014
39.47cpl
3.71pr
4.47bf
118scc

Greengrass1

browned wrote: »

So this is how we differ down in west cork, have similar bf and scc to you gg but your protein is a bit higher. If you average the the 2014 and 2015 prices you'll be getting 36.52 while I'll be on 37.33cpl

August 2015
35.20cpl
3.77pr
4.42bf
130 scc

August 2014
39.47cpl
3.71pr
4.47bf
118scc

Maybe we should have moved further down the country while we were at it

Great price to get

browned

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Maybe we should have moved further down the country while we were at it
Great price to get

You had a better price this time last year so the averages aren't that far out.

kevthegaff

blue5000 wrote: »

No big pot of gold at arrabawn for suppliers this month anyway.

Coming in the birr or clough road?

Deepsouthwest

browned wrote: »

So this is how we differ down in west cork, have similar bf and scc to you gg but your protein is a bit higher. If you average the the 2014 and 2015 prices you'll be getting 36.52 while I'll be on 37.33cpl

August 2015
35.20cpl
3.77pr
4.42bf
130 scc

August 2014
39.47cpl
3.71pr
4.47bf
118scc

Thought I was doing great getting 34.97c/l and then I come on here and read u got over 35, pr1ck!!

browned

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Thought I was doing great getting 34.97c/l and then I come on here and read u got over 35, pr1ck!!

Haha thanks dsw. Thought you'd be ahead of me protein wise?

darragh_haven

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Thought I was doing great getting 34.97c/l and then I come on here and read u got over 35, pr1ck!!

Awh don't hold back DSW. Tell him how you really feel.
New entrant next door to us told me he's getting 33c/l. His second year milking. Doing well I thought

Milked out

3.67p
4.22bf
203 scc
Base 25.5
Received 29.597c/l net after levies

Timmaay

Ugh almost ashamed to admit my price now ha, 27.93c/l. 4.08bf, 3.58p. Protein up in the 3.7s now at least.

degetme

Timmaay wrote: »

Ugh almost ashamed to admit my price now ha, 27.93c/l. 4.08bf, 3.58p. Protein up in the 3.7s now at least.

Are you breeding for protein percentage and kilos of protein?

mahoney_j

On milk price and markets going forward into next year what are lads predicting???.first 4/6 months could be tricky.weather patterns namely El Niño down under could really dent supply's down there which could be positive for us .last couple of gdt auctions positive ,trend for next few is also looking positive

Timmaay

degetme wrote: »

Are you breeding for protein percentage and kilos of protein?

Yep, but have been building back up numbers here the last few yrs, and had a large clear out of older cows during that also, so haven't been able to be fussy at all on what replacements I've bred. Only started to bred in some JE this year, 2bh I probably should have used it as a quick fix several years ago.

kevthegaff

Pr 3.95 f 4.24 yield 18l 3kg 18%nut, cows will drop for a day ir so as had depart tb test, last of cows out at 12:-(! El nino, cut backs will help in nz, but also thd nz dollar will be devalued snd more competitive.Euro could get stronger after greece election. Price of corn/soya looking low so that will help us/eu production. Id hope the price has bottomed out!

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

On milk price and markets going forward into next year what are lads predicting???.first 4/6 months could be tricky.weather patterns namely El Niño down under could really dent supply's down there which could be positive for us .last couple of gdt auctions positive ,trend for next few is also looking positive

I hate being negative but all indications are for a lower milk price than this years avg- double dip recession possibly on the cards- frontera aren't selling all there product- Ireland is putting large amounts into storage- soya and maize meal seriously low price- currency could change etc

No point bitching about it as these are the indicators

No point blaming new entrants etc etc as this is reality and be prepared for lows and highs

I would be delighted if milk didn't drop below 25 for the next 12 months

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Ugh almost ashamed to admit my price now ha, 27.93c/l. 4.08bf, 3.58p. Protein up in the 3.7s now at least.

have youy anything in fixed price scheme, my price was 28.59cpl

WheatenBriar

Why are milk quota's still on the posted statements and more importantly why do they include what you temporary leased last year?
I'm asking because if the compensation deal is based on that figure,you'd be paid on quota plus temporary leasing not quota

stanflt

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Why are milk quota's still on the posted statements and more importantly why do they include what you temporary leased last year?
I'm asking because if the compensation deal is based on that figure,you'd be paid on quota plus temporary leasing not quota

They will remain there till 2017 until all the super levy fines are paid

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

I hate being negative but all indications are for a lower milk price than this years avg- double dip recession possibly on the cards- frontera aren't selling all there product- Ireland is putting large amounts into storage- soya and maize meal seriously low price- currency could change etc

No point bitching about it as these are the indicators

No point blaming new entrants etc etc as this is reality and be prepared for lows and highs

I would be delighted if milk didn't drop below 25 for the next 12 months

Hard to disagree .on frontera ,I know the quantities there putting through are back 30/40%.wonder where the remainder is,they can hardly afford to have it all in private storage??.working of 26/27 base price here for next year

stanflt

Time to buckle down

family car being changed- this is my only option

keep going

stanflt wrote: »

Time to buckle down

family car being changed- this is my only option

Sorry I was going to sell it but with the price of milk we ll have to hold on to it.but tanks for the offer of 10 yr old terrier, abag of used fertiliser bags , two half used rolls of silage wrap,4 of last years bales, a tyre for a tractor with a cut in it but plenty grip,900,000 litres of quota

mahoney_j

https://www.facebook.com/AgrilandIreland/posts/900221323403750 Simon is bullish anyway

RightTurnClyde

mahoney_j wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/AgrilandIreland/posts/900221323403750 Simon is bullish anyway

I've heard lots of interviews where he is saying there will be an upturn next year but I've ye to hear 1 reason from him why there should be an upturn.

WheatenBriar

mahoney_j wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/AgrilandIreland/posts/900221323403750 Simon is bullish anyway

50% advance in sfp?
I thought he was getting us 70%?

RightTurnClyde

WheatenBriar wrote: »

50% advance in sfp?
I thought he was getting us 70%?

Must be a typo, it's definitely 70%