mickotallow wrote: » Would the same be said if it was Ballyduff, Tallow or FMW were in the relegation battle. DLS and Lismore are in the relegation play-off (refuse to call it a final) because they are the two worst teams in the championship this year. How can losing 1 of 2 teams who have won 1 and drawn 2 games between them all year weaken the championship? We've been complaining for years that the intermediate champions go straight back down every year yet when they stay up we say it'll be bad for the championship. Teams can't live off past glories and have a right to be senior because of history. Excuses are being made for both teams. DLS. In-fighting Too many players on Waterford duty etc. Lismore Retirement Injuries Emigration All excuses. Every club has issues to deal with. It's part and parcel of running a senior hurling club. We have a small squad in Tallow and we've lost a large number of players to emigration and injury over last few years which would severely strengthen our squad. But that's just a fact of life. And as for retirement! Well if teams are complaining bout lads not playing cos they've gotten on in life I don't know where we're at. Maybe we should get the 85 county winning team from Tallow to tog out this weekend. All these issues depend on how they are managed by the management teams. Can't say I know anything about DLS management but something has to be rotten in that camp. And I think based on last two games if Dave Bennett had been in charge all year Lismore probably wouldn't be in this situation. If anything I think it'll be a wake up call to all senior teams that you can't take any game for granted or you could end up in relegation trouble. This'll add more bite to games if anything. And before I'm accused of being anti-Lismore just let me stare that I hope Lismore stay up. Relegation for Lismore (as satisfying as it would be) would not be of any benefit to Tallow or hurling in the west. Local derbies are great for the game as they generate great excitement and interest. Losing this will not help Tallow to improve. Only look better in comparison.
JesusRef wrote: » What I mean is the championship will be diluted with Cappoquin there, they are by far the worst team and I have seen a few of their games - granted you could say that they deserve to stay up because they beat Lismore but they don't, they got hammered in nearly every game and will again next year as well - how is that any good for the championship?
deiseach wrote: » What do you think should happen?
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » As regards mcgrath contract my own view is he deserved an extension absoultey and I had doubt last year buthe's done good to a degree but a three year one imo is too much when they should have learned from limerick last year Last year limerick gave on one season and a moral victory v kk Ryan a full three year term I said it then it made no logic as limerick would have backed themselves in corner in things went wrong On limerick thread now many who felt it was great call suddenly changed view now Limerick players wanted new back room staff and Kinnerk turned them down and there having difficulty getting a top coach as of yet Point is limerick ccb who rushed through term last year now can't very well end term before time Waterford should learned and yes waterford made progress however still nothing was actually won, kk clearly had no interest in the league, the league last year was not a great barometer for championship so to give three year extension I think is risky I would given him another year in total two with all ireland final being goal and if achieved then I extend contract hugely Waterford now have given themselves no room to move if things go wrong next year have stay with him I don't see how he needs three years from now to build on when already had two years already and surely next two years will define if he's got tactics to move to the next level I'm not just in waterford case but any county against huge contract extension when no need them and lot of things needing be done People think McGrath would walk away unless got new term My view is he would not if got two years and if so then we'll that he's choice then but I doubt he would as he put huge work waterford he'll want finish it out and if he left not like soccer not many other top jobs availability join Cork don't do outside manager Tipperary's have management and limerick also Clare are sorted and Galway probably keep Cunningham So the chances mcgrath joining another county is slim Waterford have showed nothing to say they can bridge the gap to kk and huge worry is kk who up last week were vulnerable have now built new team leaders it will take something special to beat them What waterford need is under twenty one success next year and to maintain division one status and new slightly tweaked game plan Also for those that are interested cork play Waterford in cork league February 20 under light on a Saturday night in cork in hurling
deisedude wrote: » If they beat Lismore and Lismore couldn't get enough points to move above them in table then I can't see how Cappoquin are the worst team. Do some of ye lads think that in other counties all the teams are competitive? Because you are deluded if you do think that
JesusRef wrote: » I'm not saying anything should happen, just expressing it's bad that a team so out of their depths stay up on the basis of what now looks like a freak result - is that off limits or something?
JesusRef wrote: » Did you watch any of their games?
PTH2009 wrote: » when will the 2016 NHL fixtures be announced. If we go by the fixtures Clare (who got relagated this year) we will play Cork, Galway and Kilkenny at home and Dublin and Tipp away. As league Champions we should get a date in Croke Park vs Dublin but i dont think it will happen
deisedude wrote: » TTM Do you think these contracts really mean anything anyway? If we end up being beat by Laois and Antrim next year do you think Derek will remain in the job?
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Waterford have showed nothing to say they can bridge the gap to kk
huge worry is kk who up last week were vulnerable have now built new team leaders it will take something special to beat them
archieknox wrote: » Congrats to Ballygunner on winning the u13 eastern titles in both grade A and B. At minor they hammered Dungarvan by 8 goals. Just aswell all those teams in the west are keeping their identities that's the main thing!!
Mountainlad wrote: » What does this actually mean? I've seen it a few times now. Are you saying in the few weeks since Waterford lost to Kilkenny they've show no sign of bridging the gap? Or are you comparing to last year, where: 1. The gap was wholly irrelevant, if we were talking about that gap after the Wexford game you'd be laughed at and told to focus on more immediate concerns i.e. losing to Wexford 2. If you are, that gap has reduced dramatically in fairness. That is absolute bollocks now. In what way were they vulnerable? In the space of their last 4 championship games, they comfortably beat the 3 other best teams in the Country this year and also laced Wexford. So how in god's name, having gotten Fennelly back and Power on the bench, could they possibly have been vulnerable last weekend? Who are these new leaders as well by the way? Larkin, Mick Fennelly and TJ Reid were the lads that won them the game.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » I never mentioned the other players you named It was widely recognised that kk if any time going be beaten was last week as you may have forgotten fair enough but you do realise jj delaney absoultey greatest ever full back missing and holden ist main year and prengersat and course add alwaryd who got three points these new breed kk players coming in to replace delaney shefflin etc All these players will be hugely improved again next year and cody is now building another kk team and kk are going to win next year and indeed hugely challenge five row I said start year kk would be team beat again but I made crucial error go against them final I felt like indeed pundits like considine clare last week time beat them If you honestly think waterford closed gap kk well each to there own your entitled to your opinion fair enough However logic would actually say yes waterford are top four however the rest pack are average and if Galway played waterford there's good reason belive Galway would won Waterford have a system but tippeary beat that system as considine said in he's article with real ease and kk not exactly full throttle dismissed waterford with ease There is nothing to say waterford closed gap One swallow never made a summer Championship has been good to a point but waterford in two big games never showed anything show could win those games You even said yourself you wouldn't given management such long contract My point is to give management what's now four more years really based one season that was good doesn't really make sense Does that mean that's standard every team, do that management get huge term Fitzmaurice kerry hasn't even got that yet and he's successful Cody every year decides what he does Its good to keep things simple as no complacent sets in To give management new three years on top one left allows complacency set in imo If he'd won all ireland he probably got six years if going by waterford rational If waterford got all ireland final fair enough but progress and that's all it was was made this year Waterford certainly have so far not done anything great They came from huge low previous year but shouldn't been that bad then, that doesn't mean that cause there doing better this year it's great It's progress but I wouldn't get carried away Limerick proved that Armagh football thought that last year after running Donegal to point Each year is a challenge Two years are better to judge teams imo
Mountainlad wrote: » Kilkenny haven't a hope of winning 5 in a row. Armagh football and Waterford hurling have no correlation. It's time to stop comparing apples and oranges. Prendergast is 29 so he won't be improving dramatically. In fairness, we've a much more favourable age profile than Limerick had last year. We've also had our manager in place for two years now, not half a year so it's fair to say there's been more time to assess his performance and it looks really good. What gap are you on about exactly? The gap between Waterford and Kilkenny last year compared to this year? That's what I would have assumed, honestly how could you possibly conclude that that gap has not closed? I don't have a huge issue with what you're saying about the contract, only that you are definitely overstating it (as usual). It's the ráiméis to go with it that I have a problem with. Eddie Barrett started against Tipp, Darragh Fives was there for the Kilkenny game. Shane Bennett outperformed his brother and took over after. If we had that team out in the Munster final we may have won, we weren't far away at all despite what you said. I'm not too bothered anyway though now because to be honest I see there is plenty of room for improvement in Waterford. There isn't in Tipp on the panel they have now in my opinion and the manager. Don't see it in Kilkenny either, but they won;t fall away much off the standard they're at now in the next 2 or 3 years so yes you are right it will take a special effort to beat them. I believe though that Waterford are potentially capable of it. I can't see that there is anyone out there that would be better than McGrath for the Waterford job who'd realistically be a candidate. Even in general, with the exception of Cody I don't think I'd want anyone else in charge to be honest. So no harm tying him down for 4 years.
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mickotallow wrote: » For the love of god get off your soapbox. We get it. You think all clubs further west than Dungarvan are not worthy to classify themselves in the same breath as your beloved Dungarvan. At least us clubs in the west know our identity. We know what we stand for and have people in our club who strive everyday to make our club better for the next generation. Not trying to buy a county title or import players from so called lesser clubs because ye feel ye have a divine to. I'm telling you now that is not a player in our squad who would walk away from our club to play for another team on the off chance they could win a county title. Even if we went down to Junior. Lads play for their team, their teammates and their friends and family. That is what identity is. And if you think the fact Ballygunner have won 2 u13 county titles will make us question whether we should row into your grand plan of disbanding all clubs in the west then you obviously don't know what being part of a real club is.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Armagh point was that one year improvement means nothing if next year fails away You probably heard second season syndrome surely Four years tieing him down in all fairness he's hardly going any where now let's be realistic There's no available top jobs available Kk have every chance winning five in a row Your the very one that expected limerick with tj Ryan to challenge this year after last year yet you find it hard to believe the greatest manager around won't win next three with kk There's absolutely nothing to touch kk next year Limerick have problems getting a coach Kinnerk if doesn't go clare probably means clare won't challenge only team imo that would Tippeary we both agree management and players in period transition Cork depending who comes in management Dublin now with cunningjham doing coaching next year with boland gone will be stronger with possession game but won't beat kk Galway under cunningjham cody now has there number just like he has with tipp Cunningjham good manager but Galway need a change Munster is poor and on any given day either teams beat each other The media will try convince us that series challenge to kk but come august kk will prove like last few years munster winning championship means nothing to all ireland You said it yourself mcgrath is there two years already That's my point he doesn't need another four At present he's best man available but who knows in two years who would become available The gap between kk and waterford imo hasn't closed in yes waterford made progress last year but kk after win sunday moved up again Waterford won't just rock on croke park beat kk until such time win munster under twenty one and all ireland and learn deal expectations as there steps need be taken as loughsnne said that teams fighting traditional teams have huge barriers to overcome to beat kk who accustomed success year on year For waterford do what few team done beat kk croke park they need win under twenty one ist If they don't do that it's unrealistic expect them beat kk in senior I think to expect waterford beat kk next year too soon Yes the talent is there and foundations be laid but next step often hardest one to evolve system so time will tell We actually agree some point but I'll agree to disagree on others point with you All in all I fully agree he deserves contract extension but my point was four years no real benefit to it and it simply could be renewed again in two years after another performance review
archieknox wrote: » You seem to have an obsession with this transfer thing and Dungarvan. Il tell you what when ye are coming down Sunday night bring Ned's statue back home!!
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » There out provision since weekend Yere playing cork in cork Saturday evening Feb twenty Cork ist game is Galway away
deisedude wrote: » Did you not get my point? However bad Cappoquin may have been Lismore still finished below them in the table and deserve to be in the relegation playoff
