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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

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JohnDaniels

Charlie19 wrote: »

It's only 5 games into a season.

In his 4th year in the job.

Brendan "Judge me after three years"

Turtyturd

Augeo wrote: »

Disappointed with the result, debatable free, penalty & a solo goal from a new signing.

I'm very surprised at the last 10/15 pages in here, I'll say it now and I would hope not to be berated for it (not too bothered if I am though), Rodgers will not be sacked after that, with Norwich & Villa coming up thing would look better with 13 points from the first 7 games.

EL and a cup game too of course.

In the post match speel he didn't hang Gomez either, merely mentioned he'll learn to stay on his feet at times, there was no need to slide in at all, worst case scenario was a blind cross.

I thought we were right in there with a chance until their 3rd, even at 2 - 0 down we had a go, plenty attacking play. Origi looked purposeful when he came on.

Anyway, no sacking imminent imo

Hopefully this turns out as well as your prediction of 3 points.

zarquon

I thought Brendan showed great character!

SlickRic

That RAWK post isn't wrong.

It was spineless and gutless today. Plus we were badly coached.

gafferino

SlickRic wrote: »

Honestly, I don't care if we get 6 points from Norwich and Villa.

I've seen enough.

Agreed. It hasn't ben right since Feb/March last year. It feels like he's lost the players too. Once that happens your done.

I worry that FSG will continue with him. They had their chance in the summer and chose not to take it.

Charlie19

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Where nothing has changed. Best to get rid early and try to get a top 4 place while we can still achieve it.

I just don't know to be honest. Today was truly awful because I felt utd were there for the taking, that's what really hurts.

I'd still be willing to give him a few more games and if by then nothing looks to be clicking, then I'd let o driscoll or Gary Mac take over till a decent manager with a good pedigree comes in.

Agent Coulson

It hasn't been right since the Chelsea game in the run in when Gerrard slipped that broke Rodgers as much as it did Gerrard. Since that game Rodgers hasn't trusted himself in anyway shape or form.

niallo27

Unlucky today the bounce of the ball didn't go Liverpools way and then that shocking penalty. Two nothing teams today.

niallo27

SlickRic wrote: »

That RAWK post isn't wrong.

It was spineless and gutless today. Plus we were badly coached.

The team looked more terrified today than spineless.

fred funk }{

SlickRic wrote: »

That RAWK post isn't wrong.

It was spineless and gutless today. Plus we were badly coached.

It's like they're over coached and as a result they don't know where to go or what to do if the game goes off "script".

SlickRic

niallo27 wrote: »

Unlucky today the bounce of the ball didn't go Liverpools way and then that shocking penalty. Two nothing teams today.

How were we unlucky?

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K-9 wrote: »

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I don't know why you seem to think 6 points are a given.

I dont think the 6 points are a given, I said things would look better with 13 points after 7 games. I do hope we get the 6 though.

Charlie19

2nd game on motd tonight.

Runs for cover...

Harry Palmr

Still could be worse, Juve are on zero points and are losing again tonight, Massimiliano Allegri will be free soon!

noodler

It's funny that the "who is else is available" argument has been in place for more than a year by some.

At some stage it's no longer a reasonable excuse.

Vicxas

Charlie19 wrote: »

2nd game on motd tonight.

Runs for cover...

Another one i cant watch.

niallo27

SlickRic wrote: »

How were we unlucky?

Chance from the corner should have gone in, that was 1 all and different game. Utd were rubbish they created nothing. Two rubbish teams both deserved nothing.

Seaba

First half shocking from both teams.
Second half United had 3 chances and scored 3 goals, we had 3/4 chances and scored 1.
United are now a good side and we are 'bang average', spineless, rotten etc.

Next week when we beat Norwich (we will) we will be getting slowly back on track and with Sturridge to come back, well....
United on the other hand will draw with Southampton and all their good work from last weekend.....

JohnDaniels

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"The greatest trick that Suarez ever pulled, was convincing the world that Rodgers could manage."

SlickRic

niallo27 wrote: »

Chance from the corner should have gone in, that was 1 all and different game. Utd were rubbish they created nothing. Two rubbish teams both deserved nothing.

So we weren't unlucky. They defended the chance that 'should have gone in'. They also scored their chances with no luck involved at all. And if you say Martial got lucky, I disagree. He ran at Skrtel and made something happen.

The fact they were rubbish and beat us 3-1 says it all really.

Turtyturd

If we are looking for positives....Levron was improved.

niallo27

SlickRic wrote: »

So we weren't unlucky. They defended the chance that 'should have gone in'. They also scored their chances with no luck involved at all. And if you say Martial got lucky, I disagree. He ran at Skrtel and made something happen.

The fact they were rubbish and beat us 3-1 says it all really.

They got lucky by keeping it out they didn't know much about it. Are you trying to tell me Utd were good today. There two goals were from easily defendable situations. Are you trying to convince me Utd looked good.

shamrock55

niallo27 wrote: »

Chance from the corner should have gone in, that was 1 all and different game. Utd were rubbish they created nothing. Two rubbish teams both deserved nothing.

No point saying utd were rubbish, they beat us 3-1

niallo27

shamrock55 wrote: »

No point saying utd were rubbish, they beat us 3-1

They were though. Both teams were awful. How many 100 million spent on both sides for that ****e.

Charlie19

shamrock55 wrote: »

No point saying utd were rubbish, they beat us 3-1

But they were rubbish, that's the frightening aspect of today's occurrences.

shamrock55

Seaba wrote: »

First half shocking from both teams.
Second half United had 3 chances and scored 3 goals, we had 3/4 chances and scored 1.
United are now a good side and we are 'bang average', spineless, rotten etc.

Next week when we beat Norwich (we will) we will be getting slowly back on track and with Sturridge to come back, well....
United on the other hand will draw with Southampton and all their good work from last weekend.....

Dont cod yourself into thinking we will beat norwich, they just beat bournmouth 3-1, whereas we technically lost 1-0 at home to them, by looking at our line up, formations used and where rodgers plays certain players, what in gods name fills you with so much confidence, because from what ive whitnessed this past while i honestly cant see us beating ANYONE!! Atm

Nalz

Charlie19 wrote: »

But they were rubbish, that's the frightening aspect of today's occurrences.

In the first half United were poor and slow. Comfortable, but poor.
They were not rubbish in the second half. Maybe in the final third but otherwise its insulting to say their defence and centre mid were rubbish

niallo27 wrote: »

Chance from the corner should have gone in, that was 1 all and different game. Utd were rubbish they created nothing. Two rubbish teams both deserved nothing.

You know whats rubbish? Your post.

Charlie19

Vicxas wrote: »

Another one i cant watch.

I'll watch myself as I switched off the stream when the third went in. Anyways I want to see the goals in hd.

Highly Deplorable.

shamrock55

Id also love to know what our 2 new coaches had to say during that first half of utter garbage

JohnDaniels

Falling out of love with Brendan Rodgers

I can pretty much pinpoint the moment when I thought to myself ‘**** me we’re back’. Tucked away in the far corner of a cosy Whitehaven golf club for my nephews christening, surrounded by family, pint in hand, transfixed by that most beautiful of things – the Reds in full flow. Christmas was a few weeks away, and at White Hart Lane, a sullen Andre Villa-Boas looked on like a befuddled uncle chaperoning at an underage disco – the Redmen were killing it. Absolutely ****ing killing it. Yuletide festivities getting into gear and we were rampant. My family ties to the North-West are strong, two of my mum’s sisters emigrated to Manchester in their youth, and as a result I have a large smattering of lovable Mancunian cousins across the Irish sea, they are genuinely wonderful and great people, but steeped, sadly, in the heinous United way. They were all there, all quiet, and I could sense they were hating this.

Rampant, relentless, full of pomp and passing Spurs to death, we were going for the throat. Henderson for what seemed like the millionth time had burst beyond their lines onto a pass, he tried an instant first time ball, its blocked initially but before you could say face-cream he’d nutmegged the full-back with a back-heel to Suarez who chipped a typically precise beauty of a cross into the path of the Scouse Cafu who controls it magnificently on the half volley. One of those Yeboah-like finishes, down, off the cross bar and back into the roof of the net. 4-0. Marvellous. The Redmen are all running to him, Suarez with that big goofy toothy grin is first on top of him, the rest pile on, bedlam. The travelling Kop are going ape **** and all was right with the world. I thought we were on to something. Big-time. As that next five months proved, we were too, so nearly onto that most elusive of things, so ****ing close…and yet.

It’s sometimes easy to forget how unreal the transformation was from that day. It was the day Sterling really arrived. Stepping up from pacey youth team prospect with no end product to the devastating incisive attacker that City would break the bank for. Suarez was mercurial, the signs had always been there from him to be fair, he just had it, that magic stardust in the boots, we knew it from the day Dirk got his hat-trick against the Glams. His first that day denied Luis the goal of goals, tapping in from a yard as the ball was dribbling over the line after the little Uruguayan mentalist had dribbled around 20 Utd players in the space of about 1 yard, or something like that. I’ve forgiven Dirk, because, you know, he scored a hat-trick against them…. but that was a little peak into what we had in store with the little fella.

Books have been written about that title tilt season, some people laugh at the very idea of capturing it as a big story, because ultimately we won diddly squat, but for the first time in forever it felt real again. Style, swagger and big wins, smashing the blue****e to pieces, going to Old Trafford waltzing to a 3-0, taking the piss and being ****ed off because we all knew it could have been half a dozen. The goals. The ****ing goals. Cardiff, Arsenal, Suarez almost dismantling the crossbar at the Annie Road end. Suarez at home to Norwich (I’m still moist thinking about it). The Gerrard moments at West Ham, QPR, destiny, and all that wonderful ****.

Brendan then seemed perfect. An inspired choice. Plucked from Swansea after a decent season, establishing them in the Premier League, some pretty football, some scalps. His CV didn’t offer much else, sacked at Reading, underwhelming at Watford. By all accounts a bright young coach he represented an FSG punt. A punt that nearly delivered the Holy Grail. He talks a lot does Brendan, with that Carnlough dialect of his, a hybrid of lilting North Antrim coast drawl, mingled with a harsh west of Scotland twang. He talked big when he came. Death by football, his dossier, those Anfield Wrap podcasts where he attempted to communicate his philosophy to a fascinated fan base. His talk of “how we will work” seemed clear and certain. His vision for football development, schooled from a youth spent trampling around the continent, observing Spanish and Dutch academies, always focusing on working with the ball, a self-confessed Tiki Taka convert. A believer in merging the battling virtues of the British player with the tactical nuances of the continental style. He talked. I liked it. He believed in himself. Absolutely no doubt. He was managing Liverpool now. To me, the manager of our club should be cocky. Confidence and self-belief – you have to it to get anywhere at this level. Look at the bastards you’re competing with. We all knew Shanks had it, with his catalogue of gems, even Bob for all his understated genius “all these problems at the top of the league” had his moments. Kenny’s withering put-down of Fergie when he pointed to his 4 year old “you’ll get more sense out of her” It’s a thing of ours isn’t it. A very Scouse thing. Be bold, be brash, you’re managing Liverpool Football Club now. Let them know we won’t take ****. That we bow to no-one.

When he said he wanted to make a match at Anfield the longest 90 minutes of an opponent’s life I found myself nodding. That’s what we all want. Build that ****ing fortress again Brendan lad I was thinking. When the dust settled after a debut season of unspectacular mediocrity there were shoots of hope. Sturridge and Coutinho had arrived. We looked a side after that transfer window, the football was good, Phil and Sturridge were linking up (most notably at Newcastle) Suarez was starting to emerge as a one man wrecking ball but ultimately we never saw 2013-2014 coming – maybe some of you did, not me though. Not those giddy heights. It buys a lot of time a season like that, a lot of time. Playing an irrepressible brand of football, one of style and pace, a swagger about us, blowing teams away and competing against the best in England without spending bat-**** crazy amounts garnered from the ill-gotten gains of sinister oil-rich parasites, Russian or middle-eastern.

Then came last season. The hangover of all hangover seasons. From the dizzy heights to the bottom of the ditch, like waking up from a drunken session finding you’d pissed yourself and all you’re grasping is a mouldy cup of poitin with a dribble left, eyes glazed, paranoid and shaking like a leaf. It was that ****ing bad. We lost the 2 top goalscorers in the league. I’ll repeat that. We lost the two top goalscorers in the league. In one summer. One went to a stage befitting his unique genius, the other, was not for the first time, crocked. We suffered. Badly. The performances were dire, the defence was still leaky as it always is with Brendan, but we weren’t blowing teams away anymore. The whirlwind which blew sides away was replaced by something more akin to the whimpering puff of an asthmatic lung. It was ****ing grim. We’d spent cash, loads of it, but really badly. We needed to replace the best player in the league by a country mile, we’d gone with Adam Lallana. A 26 year old playing for Southampton. If you’re 26 and playing for Southampton, chances are you might not be worth £25 million. Potential was secured, Can, Markovic and co. but it just didn’t work. Listen – I’m not going into the mind-numbing tedium of picking apart that summer’s transfer business in forensic detail, those dealings have been dismantled & dissected by thousands of rabid bloggers, respected journos, and plenty of thoughtful and very rational footballing intellectuals. It all came down to one thing. It was just ****e. Nowhere near good enough.

I have one main issue with Brendan’s Liverpool team now above all others, forget the awful defence which he has never shown signs of being able to fix. Ever. Forget the stubborn fixation with Lovren over Sakho, which I find utterly bewildering. Forget the fact that a team that had just been smashed at home by Bournemouth and Leicester came to Anfield and won for the first time in 43 years at a canter. That’s all bad of course, but this is what’s worse. Much worse. The man with the plan, the dossier, with the blueprint on how to build a system of play, has built a team, HIS team, with absolutely no identity. Just what do we do? What is our plan? We have no pace, we aren’t direct, we don’t counter. What DO we do? We pass laterally and aimlessly. Where is the pressing? When he came in the door the talk of Anfield as a fortress was very much to the fore with Rodgers. He said it, again and again. We won’t allow teams to settle, we’ll be relentless. Yet now we just don’t press cohesively. Ever since that incredible one man workhorse, that magnificent little genius packed his bags and headed off to win everything at the Nou Camp that pressing game has mainly vanished. It remerged recently for a half hour spell at the Emirates. That’s it. Can one man alone set such a tone? Maybe he can, but by now a season later after the money that’s been spent surely there should be signs of some solution to coping without him? Surely being able to press effectively requires organisation and fitness qualities which should be the absolute minimum for a manager who built his blueprint on it. Rest with the ball he said, we rest with it alright, as do the ****ing opposition when we have it.

I see nothing there to suggest he will change it. West Ham came to Anfield and sat smoking bloody cigars. One shot on target. One. No pace, no urgency, no plan. It’s his fourth season now. It would be churlish to say the first three games weren’t decent. I said it on the podcast after Arsenal, seven points from those three was an excellent return, we defended well, dug in when needed, a moment of magic done at Stoke, a linesman taking leave of his senses helped see off plucky Bournemouth, but that’s fine – we’ll take those breaks, throw in a genuinely good display at Arsenal, it was encouraging. West Ham though, in one afternoon blew most of that good feeling away. The onus was on us, to take the game to them, to build on the start and get 10 points in the bank. We failed, but it was the manner of the failure that was so abject. Creating nothing, no tempo, no urgency and for what felt like the umpteenth time a team came to Anfield, sat deep, picked a weak spot (on this occasion the left side of our defence) ran at us hard on the counter and killed us. Easily. This isn’t knee jerk- I hope it doesn’t come across as such, I was with Rodgers 100% last season, even when it was going tits up. He needs to learn though, learn from mistakes, and the facts don’t make good reading. We’ve scored more than one league goal just once in the last 12 league matches, against an already relegated QPR. We still concede far too many. Not just over a season, over an entire reign under Rodgers.

I hope I’m wrong about Brendan. I’m hoping we learn from that game, that we can establish an effective pattern of play, be more organised defensively and find a way to get the best out of the potentially magnificent pairing of Phil and Firmino, they could, with the right plan to accommodate them effectively, tear the Premier League up. I really do believe that. Brendan though, the time to step up is now, what is the plan? In that big fat dossier that so impressed the Yanks in Boston I hope you had a section on fight, organisation and passion. Because looking at what’s up the next few away games we are going to need that- in spades. White Hart Lane, Marco Flan Basten and that all conquering swagger we had for 6 months seems an awful long time ago now. Prove me, and a lot of others wrong.