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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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Pairing Luke Marshall with Cave in the centre and Payne at fullback could be really good for the wolfhounds backline. They should know each other inside out. Then Gilroy could be on one wing.

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total former

Buer wrote: »

Leinster didn't have that player, though. It doesn't mean Schmidt doesn't have a fondness for one. He was never going to be allowed to bring in a high quality, power 12 when he had the Irish test 12 in his team.

However, he brought in Goodman (well over 6ft and over 100kg) as well as giving Eamon Sheridan his full debut and an additional year in the academy. He also oversaw the plan to transition Jordan Coghlan to a centre. Now he has Robbie Henshaw at 12.

There's a decent amount of evidence to suggest he's a fan of playing a lump at 12 all be it one that can pass.

Not sure. Goodman was big enough but not a power centre by any means. Sheridan got close to zero game time even when fit.

Most recently, he picked Noel Reid for the RWC squad when he had Marshal and McCloskey available to him.

I think he picks Henshaw because he's the best player available and not because he fits some template of what Joe wants.

Buer

Interested Observer wrote: »

There's not much evidence of this. Gordon D'Arcy has started more games at 12 under Schmidt than anyone, are you saying he's a power runner? Schmidt also played Madigan at 12 a couple of times outside Sexton for Leinster.

Leinster didn't have that player, though. It doesn't mean Schmidt doesn't have a fondness for one. He was never going to be allowed to bring in a high quality, power 12 when he had the Irish test 12 in his team.

However, he brought in Goodman (well over 6ft and over 100kg) as well as giving Eamon Sheridan his full debut and an additional year in the academy. He also oversaw the plan to transition Jordan Coghlan to a centre. Now he has Robbie Henshaw at 12.

There's a decent amount of evidence to suggest he's a fan of playing a lump at 12 all be it one that can pass.

.ak

flangemeistro wrote: »

"Cheika has opted to roll the dice and pick not just two specialist halfbacks in Will Genia and Nick Phipps,"

I wonder would anyone on here be brave enough to call Cheika stupendously stupid?

I will.

I don't care if Giteau has scrumhalf experience, Genia has just had knee surgery and despite White being so hot and cold he'll still provide a better service than Giteau.

Did he take an extra forward for White or an extra back?

total former

flangemeistro wrote: »

"Cheika has opted to roll the dice and pick not just two specialist halfbacks in Will Genia and Nick Phipps,"

I wonder would anyone on here be brave enough to call Cheika stupendously stupid?

If he didn't have Matt Giteau, I would.

But he does.

flangemeistro

"Cheika has opted to roll the dice and pick not just two specialist halfbacks in Will Genia and Nick Phipps,"

I wonder would anyone on here be brave enough to call Cheika stupendously stupid?

dub_skav

phog wrote: »

I saw a tweet saying Cheika only selected two scrumhalves for his world cup squad. Not saying he's right just mentioning that two might be an option if you think another player can cover or the drop down to 3rd choice is too big.

Not that I believe it would be a good idea, but Giteau has played scrum half before.
Very much like the suggestion for Madigan to cover, but with a little experience at least.

Edit: Just looked at the squad, Cheika's not afraid of a few surprises and the selections show not to read too much into warm up matches.
Only 2 hookers is a bigger risk if you ask me.

phog

thomond2006 wrote: »

2 9s makes no sense. If one of the 9s gets injured in a warmup on matchday you have nobody to come into the 23. That's asking for trouble.

I saw a tweet saying Cheika only selected two scrumhalves for his world cup squad. Not saying he's right just mentioning that two might be an option if you think another player can cover or the drop down to 3rd choice is too big.

[Deleted User]

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Despite playing inside centre successfully towards the end of the 2012/2013 season, Madigan isn't really a Joe 12. Joe prefers a power runner at 12. One solution could be to take McFadden as wing/12 cover. He was good at 12 under Schmidt at Leinster - notably against Bath when Leinster won 52-27

There's not much evidence of this. Gordon D'Arcy has started more games at 12 under Schmidt than anyone, are you saying he's a power runner? Schmidt also played Madigan at 12 a couple of times outside Sexton for Leinster.

connachta

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I dont think they need game time. They aim for them, as for all of those who wont be in the 31, is now to stay injury free. Best not risking game time. The chance of any one reserve being called up is low, but if needed, to sit on the bench or play a few minutes of a minor game you need them healthy first, match sharp second. What you dont want is going down to your 5th ot 6th choice scrum half because Marmion has injured himself playing friendlys for Connaught.

The aim is to play in front of members of the Irish staff against Munster, doing well, have the cap for Wales, and snatch the 3rd spot in the end.

The Rape of Lucretia

connachta wrote: »

They both need gametime, it means nothing...

I dont think they need game time. They aim for them, as for all of those who wont be in the 31, is now to stay injury free. Best not risking game time. The chance of any one reserve being called up is low, but if needed, to sit on the bench or play a few minutes of a minor game you need them healthy first, match sharp second. What you dont want is going down to your 5th ot 6th choice scrum half because Marmion has injured himself playing friendlys for Connaught.

RichieRich89

connachta wrote: »

I dislike the idea of "1 joe style". A team which has the ambition to play semi-final of the RWC at least can't be monotonous. Yes, the first team should remain stable, but replacements are here to provide impact, surprises, other schemes, to disturb the opposition when needed. That's why I'd prefer Madigan, Zebo, Marmion, as backups, better than Mcfadden, Jones, Boss.
We haven't BOD anymore, let's accept at least a little bit of sparkles, we're not England FFS:pac:

I agree. I'd have Madigan at 22, and Zebo starting. What I'm saying is that McFadden could be good 12 back-up as well as covering wing

connachta

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Despite playing inside centre successfully towards the end of the 2012/2013 season, Madigan isn't really a Joe 12. Joe prefers a power runner at 12. One solution could be to take McFadden as wing/12 cover. He was good at 12 under Schmidt at Leinster - notably against Bath when Leinster won 52-27

I dislike the idea of "1 joe style". A team which has the ambition to play semi-final of the RWC at least can't be monotonous. Yes, the first team should remain stable, but replacements are here to provide impact, surprises, other schemes, to disturb the opposition when needed. That's why I'd prefer Madigan, Zebo, Marmion, as backups, better than Mcfadden, Jones, Boss.
We haven't BOD anymore, let's accept at least a little bit of sparkles, we're not England FFS:pac:

RichieRich89

.ak wrote: »

That's silly. Madigan should be backup 12. Why risk the scrumhalf situation?

Despite playing inside centre successfully towards the end of the 2012/2013 season, Madigan isn't really a Joe 12. Joe prefers a power runner at 12. One solution could be to take McFadden as wing/12 cover. He was good at 12 under Schmidt at Leinster - notably against Bath when Leinster won 52-27

thomond2006

2 9s makes no sense. If one of the 9s gets injured in a warmup on matchday you have nobody to come into the 23. That's asking for trouble.

connachta

Boss won't be included apparently
(Edit : for Leinster I meant, for the moment:D)

total former

andymx11 wrote: »

Marmion and White starting for Connacht would suggest something similar for them however White suprises me considering the doubt over Moore.

White is only on the bench, possibly because Connacht are stuck for props? Wouldn't read too much into that.

connachta

andymx11 wrote: »

Marmion and White starting for Connacht would suggest something similar for them however White suprises me considering the doubt over Moore.

They both need gametime, it means nothing...

andymx11

bilston wrote: »

I had kind of been holding out some hope for Cave but it was always a long shot. This seems to be the final, or at least penultimate, nail in his 2015 WC coffin. Gilroy had zero chance and as discussed Ryan has nailed down the final second row spot over Tuohy.

Marmion and White starting for Connacht would suggest something similar for them however White suprises me considering the doubt over Moore.

Quin_Dub

Clearlier wrote: »

Perhaps a slightly more interesting question arises where a prop has been suspended for a match and one of your other 4 wakes up too ill to play on the morning of the match. If you've only got 5 props in the squad then it's hard to see how you could have 4 available for the match even without the 48hr rule.

Indeed - Would they waive the 48hr rule there or would the team have to forfeit the game?

Certainly in the case of front-rows it would be incredibly harsh not to - Every other position they could just say tough , you can have a scrum-half covering centre and full-back..he'll just not be very good.

bilston

total former wrote: »

Interesting that Tuohy, Cave and Gilroy have been named for Ulster whereas (as far as I can see), none of the Munster guys will feature.

I had kind of been holding out some hope for Cave but it was always a long shot. This seems to be the final, or at least penultimate, nail in his 2015 WC coffin. Gilroy had zero chance and as discussed Ryan has nailed down the final second row spot over Tuohy.

total former

thomond2006 wrote: »

I am going to take it as a good sign for the Munster players.

Or a bad sign for the Ulster guys...

thomond2006

total former wrote: »

Interesting that Tuohy, Cave and Gilroy have been named for Ulster whereas (as far as I can see), none of the Munster guys will feature.

I am going to take it as a good sign for the Munster players.

bilston

Zzippy wrote: »

Was Luke Fitz really left out for him? Not exactly EOS' finest moment...

Bowe was probably more hard done by than Fitzgerald. But in fairness being left out of that WC seemed to be the catalyst for Bowe to start raising his game (contrary to what some will.say it started before he went to the Ospreys). By the way it was the same for D'Arcy in 2003. Six months later he was player of the 6Ns.

total former

Interesting that Tuohy, Cave and Gilroy have been named for Ulster whereas (as far as I can see), none of the Munster guys will feature.

Clearlier

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Injured only...

Hypothetical question though..

What happens for example if we have a prop on the injured list and then another one got suspended for a game or two for a yellow card or something...

Given that you must have 4 props in the 23 - Would we be forced to replaced the injured guy even if he was only out for a few days with a twinge??

Or can you replace a guy if he's suspended and unavailable to play?

Perhaps a slightly more interesting question arises where a prop has been suspended for a match and one of your other 4 wakes up too ill to play on the morning of the match. If you've only got 5 props in the squad then it's hard to see how you could have 4 available for the match even without the 48hr rule.

connachta

Deleted User wrote: »

Bad news for his WC plans, sounded last week like Joe was relying on this game for Moore to give himself some chance at proving himself up to speed.

Or maybe he's not rushing into it, and prepare to play against Wales

[Deleted User]

aimee1 wrote: »

Marty moore not playing tomorrow for Leinster according to the times

Bad news for his WC plans, sounded last week like Joe was relying on this game for Moore to give himself some chance at proving himself up to speed.

aimee1

.ak wrote: »

Well if its cuz he isn't fit then I reckon his RWC chances are becoming slim....

White must be doing a little jig.

Article says he is expected to be available for wales game. If he doesnt make the wales game he is out

.ak

aimee1 wrote: »

Marty moore not playing tomorrow for Leinster according to the times

Well if its cuz he isn't fit then I reckon his RWC chances are becoming slim....

White must be doing a little jig.

aimee1

Marty moore not playing tomorrow for Leinster according to the times