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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

RoundBox11

Pairing Luke Marshall with Cave in the centre and Payne at fullback could be really good for the wolfhounds backline. They should know each other inside out. Then Gilroy could be on one wing.

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sydthebeat

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Thanks for that.. Doesn't really answer the Suspended vs. Injured question..

However , it would seem that a team would be forced to permanently replace an unavailable player to ensure they have enough F/R cover.. even if that player is only slightly injured

well travelling with 6 props, when 4 are need on a match day, gives some scope for protection, especially if youve an ambi like bent.

In that case youd need 3 props unavailable to be in trouble... and thats highly unlikely.
or 2 on the same side if youve no ambi reserve.

Quin_Dub

sydthebeat wrote: »

from here
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/tournament-rules

Thanks for that.. Doesn't really answer the Suspended vs. Injured question..

However , it would seem that a team would be forced to permanently replace an unavailable player to ensure they have enough F/R cover.. even if that player is only slightly injured

sydthebeat

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Injured only...

Can't be replaced for any other reason..as far as I know..

Hypothetical question though..

What happens for example if we have a prop on the injured list and then another one got suspended for a game or two for a yellow card or something...

Given that you must have 4 props in the 23 - Would we be forced to replaced the injured guy even if he was only out for a few days with a twinge??

Or can you replace a guy if he's suspended and unavailable to play?

In terms of the provision of front row players to comply with Law 3.5, the necessary number of reserve front row players must be included in the Tournament Team to cover last minute injuries to front row players selected in the Match Team within the 48 hour replacement timeframe set out in Section 4.5 on page XX.

from here
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/tournament-rules

dub_skav

Zzippy wrote: »

Was Luke Fitz really left out for him? Not exactly EOS' finest moment...

He also brought 5 flankers and 1 number 8, the number 8's name was not Jamie Heaslip

.ak

total former wrote: »

Or we could just bring 3 scrum halves, which is what we'll do. We've brought far worse players than Boss or Marmion to the World Cup before.

I know, I just thought we were having a stupid conversation so I thought I'd make it stupider.

:pac:

Zzippy

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixturesandresults/squads_ireland_player_search.php?player=33386&includeref=dynamic

Was Luke Fitz really left out for him? Not exactly EOS' finest moment...

.ak

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixturesandresults/squads_ireland_player_search.php?player=33386&includeref=dynamic

You leave Brian out of this!

[Deleted User]

total former wrote: »

Or we could just bring 3 scrum halves, which is what we'll do. We've brought far worse players than Boss or Marmion to the World Cup before.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixturesandresults/squads_ireland_player_search.php?player=33386&includeref=dynamic

Quin_Dub

errlloyd wrote: »

Can you clarify if a player has to be injured to be replaced? For example if Murray gets injured can we call up Boss to replace the extra centre?

Injured only...

Can't be replaced for any other reason..as far as I know..

Hypothetical question though..

What happens for example if we have a prop on the injured list and then another one got suspended for a game or two for a yellow card or something...

Given that you must have 4 props in the 23 - Would we be forced to replaced the injured guy even if he was only out for a few days with a twinge??

Or can you replace a guy if he's suspended and unavailable to play?

total former

.ak wrote: »

Well, just to be pedantic... I suppose we could fake someone's injury, and 'drop' Murray for a few games.... But the fact we'd call up Boss to replace an injured player that isn't a scrumhalf would probably set off alarm bells and I suppose it's against the rules somehow if caught.

Or we could just bring 3 scrum halves, which is what we'll do. We've brought far worse players than Boss or Marmion to the World Cup before.

.ak

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No the replaced player has to be injured.

Well, just to be pedantic... I suppose we could fake someone's injury, and 'drop' Murray for a few games.... But the fact we'd call up Boss to replace an injured player that isn't a scrumhalf would probably set off alarm bells and I suppose it's against the rules somehow if caught.

irishbucsfan

errlloyd wrote: »

Can you clarify if a player has to be injured to be replaced? For example if Murray gets injured can we call up Boss to replace the extra centre?

No the replaced player has to be injured.

Mr Tickle

errlloyd wrote: »

Can you clarify if a player has to be injured to be replaced? For example if Murray gets injured can we call up Boss to replace the extra centre?

don't think so. we could drop the centre on their head and send them home for that reason.

errlloyd

irishbucsfan wrote: »

His point still holds true.

I think maybe the people who are calling for 2 scrum halves don't fully understand the rules with regards to calling up players. If Conor Murray got injured midweek before the France game we'd need to call up a 3rd 9. As soon as Conor Murray is removed from the squad he is not allowed to be readded to it. It means we lose him for the rest of the entire competition. I would be shocked if Joe is willing to take a risk like that.

Can you clarify if a player has to be injured to be replaced? For example if Murray gets injured can we call up Boss to replace the extra centre?

irishbucsfan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Players will get injuries day before and on day of games. They may not be doing full contact sessions but twinges etc and any player called up must wait 48 hours before being used,

His point still holds true.

I think maybe the people who are calling for 2 scrum halves don't fully understand the rules with regards to calling up players. If Conor Murray got injured midweek before the France game we'd need to call up a 3rd 9. As soon as Conor Murray is removed from the squad he is not allowed to be readded to it. It means we lose him for the rest of the entire competition. I would be shocked if Joe is willing to take a risk like that.

The Lost Sheep

Awesomeness wrote: »

Nobody will get injured the day before a game. Their not gonna be doing contact sessions then so somebody can always be called up.

The real question is if someone picks up an injury are you willing to sit him out for a week or 2 and have him back or just call up a replacement and not be able to bring him back

Players will get injuries day before and on day of games. They may not be doing full contact sessions but twinges etc and any player called up must wait 48 hours before being used,

Awesomeness wrote: »

To be honest we have decent strength in depth know but if we have 2 injuries in most positions other than wing we are in for a lot of trouble

As are virtually every other side in competition... if 2 injuries in any one position happens

[Deleted User]

flangemeistro wrote: »

Surely O'Mahony can turn his 6 upside down and slot straight in.

He could take a leaf out of Mauro Bergamasco's book

flangemeistro

Surely O'Mahony can turn his 6 upside down and slot straight in.

sydthebeat

Podge_irl wrote: »

2 scrumhalves is an utter and complete non-runner. Absolutely zero percent chance of it happening and it would be a stupendously stupid idea.

^ pretty much this

its not as if we have a french type 9.5 playing for us

Awesomeness

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed 100%

(But I'll change my mind if Joe does it)

Ah yeah. If Joe brought 3o scrum halfs and Sexton id be sure he has a plan

[Deleted User]

Podge_irl wrote: »

2 scrumhalves is an utter and complete non-runner. Absolutely zero percent chance of it happening and it would be a stupendously stupid idea.

Agreed 100%

(But I'll change my mind if Joe does it)

Awesomeness

To be honest we have decent strength in depth know but if we have 2 injuries in most positions other than wing we are in for a lot of trouble

connachta

awec wrote: »

IMO the risk of having someone who isn't a 9 playing at 9 for us is too big. Sexton is our most potent weapon and if he's getting crap, slow ball from some centre trying to play at scrum half then his impact on the game is going to be reduced. Even if it's not Sexton and it's Jackson in one of the lesser games the risk is too great, it would bollocks up our entire back setup. We can't be having that.

I'd play Paul Marshall at 9 for Ireland before I'd go near anyone who isn't actually a 9. And I think Paul Marshall is brutal.

And we're back again for Marmion vs Boss debate, then. I'll wait until Wales, I promised:D

Podge_irl

2 scrumhalves is an utter and complete non-runner. Absolutely zero percent chance of it happening and it would be a stupendously stupid idea.

RoundBox11

Awesomeness wrote: »

I agree he will bring 3. But with murray and reddan only 1 of them will be starters. What if henshaw gets the same illness? Do you wanna start madigan at 12 or risk your other scrummy making it though without injury?

It all depends on how you feel about the cover that would come in

Id rather have Madigan, Payne or Earls at 12 than have Madigan as reserve scrumhalf. Even Bowe played some 12 for the ospreys.

Injury disasters happen (remember Italy 2013?). What if we started with Murray and Madigan covering SH on the bench and then Murray gets injured 10 minutes in?

Awesomeness

aimee1 wrote: »

If Henshaw gets injured, we can shuffle around between payne earls fitz bowe Madigan jackson sexton to get some sort of team out on the pitch of players playing in a position they have played before.

Bergamasco and twickenham. Enough said

I agree I think we should bring 3 and that we can move centers around. Just playing devils advocate on possible lines of thinking to bring 2 scrumhalves

dub_skav

Awesomeness wrote: »

You have your own out half?

Nah, she's just a bit standoff-ish

aimee1

Awesomeness wrote: »

I agree he will bring 3. But with murray and reddan only 1 of them will be starters. What if henshaw gets the same illness? Do you wanna start madigan at 12 or risk your other scrummy making it though without injury?

It all depends on how you feel about the cover that would come in

If Henshaw gets injured, we can shuffle around between payne earls fitz bowe Madigan jackson sexton to get some sort of team out on the pitch of players playing in a position they have played before.

Bergamasco and twickenham. Enough said

connachta

Deleted User wrote: »

No, Joe's baby face is completely natural. No wrinkles when you're constantly happy.

Haha, was just asking for concrete intox examples

Yeah_Right

Awesomeness wrote: »

Nobody will get injured the day before a game. Their not gonna be doing contact sessions then so somebody can always be called up.

The real question is if someone picks up an injury are you willing to sit him out for a week or 2 and have him back or just call up a replacement and not be able to bring him back

Contact sessions aren't the only way to get injured. Most teams do a light training the day before a game, the captain's run. It's possible for a player to pull a muscle, roll an ankle, break a finger, tear a ligament etc. it's happened before.