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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

To that end we won’t tolerate baiting of posters, constantly reviving old arguments, posters with agendas or crusading for a cause.

Whether it’s discussion of the business or politics of the dairy or other sectors, we expect civility and tolerance toward each other and other opinions as diversity of opinion is needed as a source of different ways of looking at a situation.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert

Also please be aware that what you may post as light-hearted banter can be read totally differently by someone adversely affected by the subject matter and evoke a reaction you hadn’t intended.

The ‘Off-Season’ forum, and its anonymous posting, is available for anyone to chat about their situation.

The Mod Team.

10 away from the 10000 posts! Frazz I think it's fair to say this thread has been a success!

Indeed it was! First thread can be found here- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056872221

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Paudee

Greengrass1 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/M11kJJ2cGBo
Lots of great tips in this. Really would prefer a straight through looking at how smooth cows run through that parlour

I'm at work so I can't actually hear or watch that really, but the younger fella is switching hands on the clusters constantly and using the wrong hand on the wrong side then. Seems totally counter-intuitive.

Timmaay

Bullocks wrote: »

It couldn't be alot , if he was a decent skin he should be happy if you ate it tight if he is under stocked and left it topped maybe for a nice regrowth when he needs it later

I'm thinking the likes of 20/25e per acre? If he was to sell it for silage in afew weeks at a guess he'd get about 10e/Bale from his contractor for it standing, he doesn't want to go crazy exporting all the p & k tho.

Milked out

Timmaay wrote: »

I'm thinking the likes of 20/25e per acre? If he was to sell it for silage in afew weeks at a guess he'd get about 10e/Bale from his contractor for it standing, he doesn't want to go crazy exporting all the p & k tho.

Well if you may end up dealing with him again as well to keep him happy see what he wants himself and if it's close to what your thinking work away. If there's demand for ground he'd be happy to deal with u then in the future

Milked out

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dutch-dairy-expansion-could-be-curtailed-by-new-phosphate-limits/

Blackgrass

Milked out wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dutch-dairy-expansion-could-be-curtailed-by-new-phosphate-limits/

Been on the cards for last few years, coming to a farm near you!!. Would be worried it'll be based on historic use levels and affect ability of building indexes as EU wants to slash imports and use of fert more accurately.

Greengrass1

Any one buy slug pellets lately? Where did you get them?

Blackgrass

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Any one buy slug pellets lately? Where did you get them?

Any arable chem suppliers? Surely only need a bag or 2 for your reseed your arable neighbours will have bought in bulk on discount ask about buying a bag or 2 off them?

HillFarmer

Saw this in Brazil and thought it might interest ye.
New Zealand farmer setup over there English subtitles.

https://vimeo.com/124857317

Dawggone

Blackgrass wrote: »

Been on the cards for last few years, coming to a farm near you!!. Would be worried it'll be based on historic use levels and affect ability of building indexes as EU wants to slash imports and use of fert more accurately.

I made the exact same comment here last year Blackgrass, and I got the head eaten off me!
Cover/cash cropping will be on the agenda soon...

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

I made the exact same comment here last year Blackgrass, and I got the head eaten off me!
Cover/cash cropping will be on the agenda soon...

I know the largest tillage farmer in this area would take some convincing to grow cover crops. He used to lose his $hit completely with me if I put in a bit of rape or similar in a stubble after harvest. We had a kind of share cropping arrangement at one point and he was adamant animal traffic (not poaching) would delay cultivations in the spring. This is on the driest ground in the country. I think the cash cropping will be a slow burn if it takes of at all.

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

I know the largest tillage farmer in this area would take some convincing to grow cover crops. He used to lose his $hit completely with me if I put in a bit of rape or similar in a stubble after harvest. We had a kind of share cropping arrangement at one point and he was adamant animal traffic (not poaching) would delay cultivations in the spring. This is on the driest ground in the country. I think the cash cropping will be a slow burn if it takes of at all.

When I said cash crop I ment the likes of clover etc to replenish the soil.
If, like us, you were allowed 60units of nitrogen per acre, you'd be surprised how popular they would become...

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

When I said cash crop I ment the likes of clover etc to replenish the soil.
If, like us, you were allowed 60units of nitrogen per acre, you'd be surprised how popular they would become...

I was fairly sure what crops you were on about. I wish they'd consider it more. I see on the grain price thread you are waiting for moisture to plant, clover being amongst the crops you have to put in. Will all of this be grazed/harvested or will some be mulched? If you do graze does it have any detrimental effect on following cultivations? On an aside how many years will the lucerne last? It's a nitrogen fixer as well isn't it?

Blackgrass

freedominacup wrote: »

I know the largest tillage farmer in this area would take some convincing to grow cover crops. He used to lose his $hit completely with me if I put in a bit of rape or similar in a stubble after harvest. We had a kind of share cropping arrangement at one point and he was adamant animal traffic (not poaching) would delay cultivations in the spring. This is on the driest ground in the country. I think the cash cropping will be a slow burn if it takes of at all.

There's 12 months in the year Freedom not 5 most crop farms in Ireland seem to think

. My best friend tore strips off me for years for thinking theres another way to work than the plough, he's now a cork strip tilling cover cropper but wont go true DD as reckons his land and and rotation does need some loosening as grows beet one in 10 or about 20 acres for dairy men.
A live soil growing a crop will dry and warm faster, transform the soil over time on your stoney light ground every mm of soil is needed to just hold water later in the year. Ploughing which i presume he does? is a sticky plaster that gives growth due to the decaying matter worked in but kills soil life. We're grazing store lambs for someone we work closely with on winter oats/rye mix being drilled early sept with some concentrate to balance.

Blackgrass

Dawggone wrote: »

I made the exact same comment here last year Blackgrass, and I got the head eaten off me!
Cover/cash cropping will be on the agenda soon...

Head in the sand syndrome and it'll be the end of the world when it comes. :rolleyes:
Same with Suds and that isn't even fully 'in' yet.

Greengrass1

Blackgrass wrote: »

Head in the sand syndrome and it'll be the end of the world when it comes. :rolleyes:
Same with Suds and that isn't even fully 'in' yet.

see the greatest crops of fodder rape around here ploughed into the ground would make you cry

Blackgrass

*Edited

Greengrass1 wrote: »

see the greatest crops of fodder rape around here ploughed into the ground would make you cry

Depends how much you were willing to pay or how much muck you'll plaster my field in otherwise i'd campaign for cruelty against worms you want to inflict on them.
This guy could teach most of us a thing or two.
http://farmerjakef.blogspot.co.uk/

Greengrass1

Blackgrass wrote: »

*Edited

Depends how much you were willing to pay or how much muck you'll plaster my field in otherwise i'd campaign for cruelty against worms you want to inflict on them.
This guy could teach most of us a thing or two.
http://farmerjakef.blogspot.co.uk/

Dunno about that now.
Anytime we sowed rape or kale here we got brilliant fields of grass after it and field was messy in parts.
Stubble ground can't be any different

yosemitesam1

Blackgrass wrote: »

*Edited

Depends how much you were willing to pay or how much muck you'll plaster my field in otherwise i'd campaign for cruelty against worms you want to inflict on them.
This guy could teach most of us a thing or tworl]

Would you think alot more will be at that sort of system in the future in the UK or are they set in there ways

Blackgrass

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dunno about that now.
Anytime we sowed rape or kale here we got brilliant fields of grass after it and field was messy in parts.
Stubble ground can't be any different

What a herd of cattle pissing and ****ting on the same spot for months not carrying that nutrient off in crop or milk or much meat over maintenance levels leaving it there nicely packaged and easily available

. Give it an early boost to get beyond weeds(competition) which is half the battle.

Blackgrass

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Would you think alot more will be at that sort of system in the future in the UK or are they set in there ways

Depends if livestock can get close to arable income. We're doing it because land is rotten in grass weed from years of piss poor management that'll take another decade+ to sort and it suits to work with a local guy.
Enough of this lark, more of best milking parlour detergent to use and why jex vs concrete queens etc before we get in trouble.

mf240

Blackgrass wrote: »

Depends if livestock can get close to arable income. We're doing it because land is rotten in grass weed from years of piss poor management that'll take another decade+ to sort and it suits to work with a local guy.
Enough of this lark, more of best milking parlour detergent to use and why jex vs concrete queens etc before we get in trouble.

You still need the concrete its just the galvanise you dont need.:P those jex are water proof,
there related to the camels dont ya know!

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

I was fairly sure what crops you were on about. I wish they'd consider it more. I see on the grain price thread you are waiting for moisture to plant, clover being amongst the crops you have to put in. Will all of this be grazed/harvested or will some be mulched? If you do graze does it have any detrimental effect on following cultivations? On an aside how many years will the lucerne last? It's a nitrogen fixer as well isn't it?

Blackgrass says it perfectly below Free.
Some of the clover will be left for 3-5yrs and 6-8 cuts of wraps taken per year. Some of the clover (incarnat) will be pitted with first cut and ploughed for maize. No fert used for maize, just fym.
Not much of the clovers are mulched. Why bother? OM is high here so I'm using the N fixing and getting a very high protein forage. Win win, plus with the new protein bonus I get €200/ha for growing them.
Lucerne will last about five years and is an excellent N fixer. I grow only maize after Lucerne as it usually flattens wheat.

Irish tillage farmers have a lot to learn about SOIL. There will be a massive opening for graziers/ livestock farmers when tillage farmers wake up to the 21century. However methinks that it will take severe npk regulations before they get on with it. The conacre system doesn't help either.

Buford T. Justice XIX

How Dairying can explain the financial crisis and the state of the world atm...

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/how-irelands-economy-and-much-of-the-worlds-can-be-explained-with-two-cows/

I enjoyed the Irish and Iraqi ones:)

Greengrass1

Reseed littered in crows this morning.
Big sign of leather jackets isn't it?

howdee

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Reseed littered in crows this morning.
Big sign of leather jackets isn't it?

Turn over a few stones to see if they are under.

Milked out

Any of ye have a heat recovery system in the dairy for hot water from the tank compressor? Will need 300L for the tank and have night rate elec. Are they worth it?

Greengrass1

Milked out wrote: »

Any of ye have a heat recovery system in the dairy for hot water from the tank compressor? Will need 300L for the tank and have night rate elec. Are they worth it?

Gas is very cheap once you get over the purchase cost.
Instant hot water and no need to store any.
Think 450 l @ 80° costs 3.05cpl
System cost's about 1800e with tank full of gas. About 700 e to fill tank

Timmaay

Milked out wrote: »

Any of ye have a heat recovery system in the dairy for hot water from the tank compressor? Will need 300L for the tank and have night rate elec. Are they worth it?

If I was going to bother I'd put one on the plate cooler exit instead here, our bulk tank usually only has to cool from 13 degrees down, the plate cooler does most the work!

Deepsouthwest

Timmaay wrote: »

If I was going to bother I'd put one on the plate cooler exit instead here, our bulk tank usually only has to cool from 13 degrees down, the plate cooler does most the work!

U must putting a serious flow of water through the plate cooler to bring it down to 13 degrees. Any idea of ratio to milk?

awaywithyou

Milked out wrote: »

Any of ye have a heat recovery system in the dairy for hot water from the tank compressor? Will need 300L for the tank and have night rate elec. Are they worth it?

have one here last few wks... they were at 60degrees this morning.. i think a must have!