LexieOnRale wrote: » Yeah I mean really, I don't see the issue here. 16 year old didn't buy a ticket, despite there being a working ticket machine Father instructs daughter to get on train Daughter gets on the train without ticket and gets fined Father outraged that he was undermined as a parent and talks about sueing Irish rail for breaching his constitutional right. Father claims his daughters dyslexia is a mild form and that it was because she also didn't have her glasses with her. Although apparently she could use her phone to call/text but not read the ticket machine?
end of the road wrote: » well, unless you can prove otherwise, his story is the case. he offered to pay the fare when she got to the destination. once someone makes an offer to pay the fare and shows the cash to prove that they will, that should be the end of it. as we don't know how big the writing is on her phone compared to the ticket machine there is nothing to say he isn't telling the truth here. he may not be but there is nothing to prove it.
mickydoomsux wrote: » As someone else already pointed out, if mild dyslexia was an excuse that worked and got the fine overturned after a court case then half the country would use it
mickydoomsux wrote: » Not having glasses to read the machine was the girls fault. As was turning up with insufficient time to purchase a ticket/ask someone for help with the machine considering her condition.
mickydoomsux wrote: » The RPU guys have heard every excuse in the book so asking them to have a heart or use what you think is "common sense" is pointless because they deal with spoofers every day of the week as a matter of course in their work day.
newacc2015 wrote: » I personally dont get the Dyslexia argument either. I have Dyslexia and generally I will mix up my understanding of words, like though and through. It would never hinder my ability to press Child/Adult and zones/place name required on the screen. I find the Dyslexia argument BS. I think if your daughter is able to function in a School at 16, what Judge is going to buy the story of " she has Dyslexia and cant use a ticket machine". I going to hazard a guess, that the child has laptop and phone, that she uses without support either? I think when do dumb **** like not pay for a ticket and get fined. Its easier to blame someone, than to take responsibility.
Jawgap wrote: » Rubbish - that's not how you run a transport system.
Jawgap wrote: » My wife picks me up from the station, I could walk on not buy a ticket and if she sees RPU at the station she could just walk up and say her dyslexic husband is on the inbound train and offer to pay for my ticket! How often would that happen? Not very - in fact it'd brilliant of you could do that I'd probably never have to buy a return ticket
Jawgap wrote: » It's a 15 minute drive to Balbriggan from Laytown - if she couldn't buy a ticket then she could've been picked up.
LexieOnRale wrote: » I have a taxsaver ticket for the train that's prepaid. On Tuesday I left it in work and I still had to buy a ticket that evening to get home and the following morning to get work. Why? Because I couldn't get on the train without a ticket.
OisinDunne wrote: » Nope. They were at the station all day. I knew they were there before she even got on the train in Balbriggan. I was even talking to them when she rang me all worried about not being able to work the machine.
end of the road wrote: » no, not rubbish at all. much easier to have a little cash cow racket then actually get to grips with the problem she would have to pay it straight away to the RPU lads. maybe he couldn't drive there for some reason.
end of the road wrote: » irrelevant to the situation being discussed
Jawgap wrote: » Actually, it's even more relevant. The poster had already paid for the journey, forgot the proof of it and still had to pay for another ticket. How'd it have played out if he ran into RPU and said he'd forgotten his annual pass and offered to bring to them the next day?
mickydoomsux wrote: » Another one they would have heard 5 or 6 times already that day
end of the road wrote: » yet they wouldn't be able to prove it wasn't the truth i'd bet
mickydoomsux wrote: » Maybe. Going by you logic they should just believe every excuse thrown at them.
end of the road wrote: » or just have it automatically go to court and let a judge decide instead of the pf nonsense which doesn't seem to deterr fare evasion
LexieOnRale wrote: » It's not really, it's pretty much the same thing. Although I've paid for my ticket and have emails proving that, they don't care and expect you to be in possession of a valid ticket. When you don't have a valid ticket, irregardless of excuse, you have no business being on a train. Does the same work for luas? Same machine idea? Can I go on the luas if I forget my glasses?
LexieOnRale wrote: » It's not really, it's pretty much the same thing. Although I've paid for my ticket and have emails proving that, they don't care and expect you to be in possession of a valid ticket.
LexieOnRale wrote: » When you don't have a valid ticket, irregardless of excuse, you have no business being on a train.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » it is not up to the RPU guys to prove you are lying. you either have a ticket in your possession or you dont.
end of the road wrote: » it is really, its not the same the bi-law says otherwise in certain situations. so, in certain situations, you have a business being on the train.
LexieOnRale wrote: » http://tinypic.com/r/28lxa1l/8 There you go, straight from the horses mouth, as it were. I don't know how you can attempt to argue that. How do people get through life thinking laws and rules don't apply to them?
lxflyer wrote: » Don't you think we would be hearing about in the papers it if the courts started rejecting and throwing out cases on those grounds? Irish Rail clearly are viewing the two as one and the same and if they are prosecuting people then I find it somewhat difficult to believe that this your view has been taken by the courts.
end of the road wrote: » they cannot say someone is making an excuse without proof
end of the road wrote: » I DO YES. HOWEVER WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT COURT ARE WE. IN COURT YOU HAVE TO BRING PROOF FOR EVERYTHING YOU STATE AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE
L1011 wrote: » A little plastic plaque isn't the actual byelaws
