Chicken1 wrote: » Pinch me and tell me this is not April 1st, does this guy really think they should demolish a family home for a cyclist.http://galwaybayfm.ie/cyclists-say-knocknacarra-homes-may-need-demolished/
Mrs OBumble wrote: » I don't see any reference to "a cyclist" in that link - maybe there was reference to a specific case in the non mobile version. But I tend to agree re the cul de sac model, it just makes places difficult to live in for anyone who's not driving a car.
JONJO THE MISER wrote: » Lunatics, give these cyclists a inch they take a mile.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » How many houses will be taken by the Knocknacarra-Parkmore expressway?
Patww79 wrote: » First things first, they could build a bridge and get over themselves. Absolute arrogance of the highest order even suggesting it.
Iwannahurl wrote: » How would you retrospectively solve the permeability issue in Knocknacarra, OP?http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96418390&postcount=1204
Delicia wrote: » What utter scutter - name one cul de sac in Galway that seriously impedes a pedestrian, cyclist or car. There isn't one. Each estate links on to the main road of that area & off you go, job done. This attitude annoys me as this really isn't about Knocknacarra heading east. Salthill, Bearna, Spiddal, Moycullen & the whole of Connemara occasionally head that way too. Believe it or not they're not always headed into Galway city, or its surrounds, either so to call it a Knocknacarra-Parkmore expressway is shortsighted.
fergiesfolly wrote: » High walls with no access and cul de sacs would, I imagine, be a deterrent to walk through thieves and those intent on anti social behaviour. I would rather offer extra security and peace of mind to residents than shortcuts to cyclists or pedestrians.
Storm 10 wrote: » Well if it was me I would not be knocking houses it's a joke to think would knock a family home so a cyclist can travel around
Iwannahurl wrote: » What is the evidence that, all other things being equal, the level of crime is lower in estates with high walls and cul-de-sac layouts? Incidentally, as do thousands of others in Galway, I live in a cul-de-sac estate. Over the past decade or so there have been a few clusters of burglaries, to the extent that the local residents association felt obliged to hold general meetings about security, attended by AGS and experts on locks etc. Living in a cul-de-sac didn't prevent theft of my bike either. Why should children have to climb over high walls to walk to school, so that residents can indulge their beliefs about alleged security? It's not about "a cyclist". It's about the viability of walking, public transport and cycling in the suburbs. You may recall that we are being told there's a traffic congestion crisis in the city. So how would you retrospectively solve the permeability issue?
FortySeven wrote: » I'm afraid you would be imagining there. It makes policing the area an absolute nightmare. Housing estates in the UK have had to be adapted for this very reason. 1 wall hopped and a car has to travel miles to get to the other side. The estates are rabbit warrens for those with criminal intent. Imagine responding to a burglary, pulling into the street and the criminal has hopped a wall, you have the option of driving the outskirts and going in and out of spurs looking for the perpetrators. They just hop another wall and you start again. Patrolling is also very time consuming and innefective with criminals able to set up only 1 spotter with a mobile to advance warn. Rights of ways can end up with anti social behaviour but only if built as compromises, trying to save an area by adding an underpass is asking for issues. Knocking a few houses and creating an open, airy area, less so.
Allison Shy Industry wrote: » +1 on this, it's much more pleasant to live in a cul de sac where only the neighbours come down the road rather than people walking through. It's much quieter and much more private. In fact I would say people purposely buy in cul de sacs for these reasons. These walk through paths are a hot spot for anti-social behaviour also, threads often pop up in the accommodation and property form with people wondering how to deal with youths in these alley ways etc.
Delicia wrote: » What utter scutter - name one cul de sac in Galway that seriously impedes a pedestrian, cyclist or car. There isn't one. Each estate links on to the main road of that area & off you go, job done.
Delicia wrote: » This attitude annoys me as this really isn't about Knocknacarra heading east. Salthill, Bearna, Spiddal, Moycullen & the whole of Connemara occasionally head that way too. Believe it or not they're not always headed into Galway city, or its surrounds, either so to call it a Knocknacarra-Parkmore expressway is shortsighted.
Iwannahurl wrote: » Nice to see someone thinking rationally about this issue. Open, well-connected public spaces, which are also well-lit at night, feel safer and benefit from passive surveillance. As for 'active surveillance', police can patrol (and pursue?) more easily when estates are more permeable. I have heard reports -- which galwaycyclist can confirm -- of Community Gardai having to haul their bikes over walls built by the Council to close off pedestrian routes through estates. How does that enhance security for residents? Of course we rarely if ever see Gardai patrolling our housing estates, whether by bike or on foot. In our locality AGS drives in once in a blue moon (parking on the footpath even if the street is empty). I'm told they need "special training" just to use a bike in the course of their work. Meanwhile the "planners" have designed the city as if they were determined to make public transport, walking and cycling as impractical as possible. They are decades behind in their thinking, as are the car addicts who support them. All part of the current Irish culture of 'Mé Féin über alles'. A few years ago, after a trip abroad, I briefly investigated the possibility of getting a playground installed in our estate. I gave up when I realised the utterly stupid obstacles in the way, and in that regard one comment I heard stayed with me as an example of the reactionary attitudes infecting the Irish psyche these days. I asked a resident of a neighbouring cul-de-sac estate, cut off from ours by a high wall, whether anyone in their street had ever thought of having a playground. Nobody had ever suggested anytrhing of the sort, and her personal objection to such an idea was that a playground would bring "outsiders" into the estate.
pmasterson95 wrote: » Estates have entrances. Find this and you find freedom. I dont know about you but in my experience at least 95% of estates are not Alcatraz and have this entrance/exit and it allows people to walk/cycle/skip/backflip out of the estate.
Iwannahurl wrote: » Irish "planners" have a level of understanding similar to your own.
pmasterson95 wrote: » I guess maybe that is bad a bad thing. The planners shouldnt make my mistake and assume they are dealing with functioning humans. Obviously only one exit is simply not enough. You cant expect people to find and work one exit. At least 5 exits must be supplied to avoid confusion.
It was commonplace for ... developments to be characterised by a preponderance of cul-de-sacs, high walls or railings with no breaks along long distributor roads, and with no linkages to existing development areas or to local services. ... The social objectives of planning ... were not met. In fact the exact opposite was achieved in many locations throughout Ireland, as segregation between development areas contributed to a general failure to foster community spirit and boost social capital. ... These ... patterns, evident in many locations, have resulted in unprecedented dependency on the private car for trips for all purposes nationally. While public transport has also suffered due to the creation of complex and impenetrable road layouts, it is the ability to walk and cycle to local services, jobs and public transport itself that has been most noticeably affected.https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Permeability_Best_Practice_Guide_NTA_20151.pdf
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