gandalf wrote: » If they charge Murphy it would be a very big mistake. It would guarantee him getting re-elected next year. I would love if they charged everyone but him. Leave him without a cross to jump on to
seamus wrote: » Because baton charging an already tense mob when they have an innocent civilian's vehicle trapped and surrounded is a stupid idea.
Deleted User wrote: » yes well done. Two criminal cases involving farmers, neither anything to do with protests / blocking traffic etc. What exactly do they have to do with this thread?
Specialun wrote: » Farmers have blocked in factories and other protests have blocked in groups and nobody was ever charged.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » so what do you think the gardai should have done about it? leave them at it? sure its not as bad as what happens in europe so its grand?
darkpagandeath wrote: » Political policing at it's finest. Whether you agree or disagree at people's ability to protest that's not really the issue here. By any European standard this was an extremely ordered and peaceful protest, Blocking has been used everywhere. I think the problem is People are not used to protests, Protests for legitimate reasons. The political elite consider themselves untouchable and beyond the people they “SERVE”. I would hardly call a person in their car on their smart phone smiling terrified for their lives. The Garda presence was huge, This was a calculated move. At any time the area could have been cleared and the car let on it's way. I was going to link some protests in Europe but why bother, A water balloon and a bit of car shaking is the destruction of Irish society and anarchy on the streets. Ironically if this was Labours protest They would not be using terrified and detained all that emotive language. I do not condone the actions.
Jawgap wrote: » Farmer fined €5k for obstructing work of department vetLongford pig farmer on trial for false imprisonment of man
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » if he goes to jail his seat is gone
Corvus Maximus wrote: » And like a lot of our hard working TD's, she probably had an urgent appointment with the Dáil bar.
paulbok wrote: » She was a TD, stands to reason there was a good chance she would be going to the Dáil.
BattleCorp wrote: » I don't have a transcript of what Paul Murphy said, but if he didn't say something along the lines of "Surround her car, don't let her out", then what can he be in trouble for?
Jawgap wrote: » Even if he's found guilty, he won't be stripped of his seat.
anncoates wrote: » Charging them with false imprisonment - and subsequently hoping Murphy will be stripped of his seat - will just be seen as clumsy political maneuvering and will backfire.
syklops wrote: » If you think surrounding the car and banging on it is acceptable behaviour, then you sound like a muppet.
The Muppet wrote: » Are you sure?https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2512&dat=19670309&id=xwdIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HAANAAAAIBAJ&pg=4416,1148380&hl=en Many different groups including farmers have had dublin in gridlock many times with people stuck in thier cars unable to get to their destination. , no one has ever been charge with false imprisonment over it.
Specialun wrote: » I tend to not give a flying about these but i do find it odd that theyre being charged. Farmers have blocked in factories and other protests have blocked in groups and nobody was ever charged. In my opinion the boys in the free bar brigade in the dail are using scare tactics in the hope to make people think twice about protesting in the future
20Cent wrote: » Seems they haven't been charged yet, the story was "leaked" to the media in advance. Political policing at its best. Violence damage yeah of course but false imprisonment no way. Any protest outside the Dail could be deemed false imprisonment.
The Muppet wrote: » I doubt very much if anyone would be charged with false imprisonment in that scenario.
15.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of false imprisonment who intentionally or recklessly— (a) takes or detains, or (b) causes to be taken or detained, or (c) otherwise restricts the personal liberty of, another without that other's consent.
The Muppet wrote: » Good so the next time anyone involved in a protest delays another citizen moving about the area they can be charged with false imprisonment.
The Muppet wrote: » Many different groups including farmers have had dublin in gridlock many times with people stuck in thier cars unable to get to their destination. , no one has ever been charge with false imprisonment over it.
The Muppet wrote: » How were the protestors to know she was on her way to the Dail? It'll be quite a simple defence i'd imagine if it ever gets to court, I doubt it will.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » if a mob surrounded you in your car and prevented you from moving for 2 hours would you be happy if the gardai did nothing?
The Muppet wrote: » Good so the next time anyone involved in a protest delays another citizen moving about the area they can be charged with false imprisonment. The government/gardai or whoever is responsible for this farcical situation have lost the plot big time. Roll on election time.
OldGoat wrote: » It's not a point that requires proof. It's doesn't matter where she was going, it doesn't matter that she is a TD.
The Muppet wrote: » A good chance would hardly be conclusive proof it in a court of law, would it?
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