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Doll exhumed from grave

cruais

This is bizarre and some serious questions need to be asked and answered. Starting with the undertakers.... I mean how do you get away with burying a doll.

Its the stuff of nightmares and sounds like something from a bad horror film.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/doll-found-in-exhumed-grave-31414585.html

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Menas

Was an undertaker was involved? It look to me like a troubled couple who invented a pregnancy and death...and then buried a doll in a coffin in a graveyard so they could have somewhere to go to mourn.
Very strange case...

Old Perry

How in the name of fook did they pull that off?

Stheno

Menas wrote: »

Was an undertaker was involved? It look to me like a troubled couple who invented a pregnancy and death...and then buried a doll in a coffin in a graveyard so they could have somewhere to go to mourn.
Very strange case...

I tthought the same it's weird

Old Perry

How in the name of fook did they pull that off?

The Backwards Man

Stuff of nightmares?

Bad horror film?

Bizarre?

It's none of these things, it's just a sad incident.

cruais

Menas wrote: »

Was an undertaker was involved? It look to me like a troubled couple who invented a pregnancy and death...and then buried a doll in a coffin in a graveyard so they could have somewhere to go to mourn.
Very strange case...

Thats what i was thinking. Theres obviously a mental disability with the couple. But how would they get a coffin without going to an undertakers?

So bizarre

[Deleted User]

How did they pull it off? Quite easily. I can't imagine grave diggers go looking inside a coffin.

conorh91

Is it sad though?

Such an odd story. I almost wanted to laugh, then I felt bad for finding it funny, then I thought, "wtf, nobody is actually dead..." No child existed.

Really don't know what to make of this. Depends on their motives/ state of mind. If it's psychological, leave them alone; if it's some kind of fraud...

cruais

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How did they pull it off? Quite easily. I can't imagine grave diggers go looking inside a coffin.

But how did they get their hands on a coffin... its not as if they are on a weekly special in aldi.

Cant get my head around it.

I suppose time will tell when the investigation goes on.

Mesrine65

Old Perry wrote: »

How in the name of fook did they pull that off?

Apparently...they didn't

iguana

cruais wrote: »

But how did they get their hands on a coffin... its not as if they are on a weekly special in aldi.

Cant get my head around it.

http://www.comparethecoffin.com/content/buy-coffin-online

Cookie_Dough

You would think that there was an undertaker involved if there was a funeral service held? Would they not bring coffin to and from church?

It's amazing that they were able to let it get so far as to have a funeral and burial. I wonder if they had any family, it only mentions them telling neighbours about the pregnany, you would think that family would be looking for update on scans etc if there was a baby due in the family.

Obviously we don't know the couples circumstances or family situation, it's very sad.

Could have been any number of reasons why this happened, maybe it was just a little white lie that snowballed out of control.

The_Valeyard

You would need an undertakers for a burial right?

They would, prep, dress, load the body????? This very sad and bizzare.

Odd story.

Menas

iguana wrote: »

http://www.comparethecoffin.com/content/buy-coffin-online

Prefer this one myself.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/PREMIUM-WICKER-WILLOW-Real-Willow-Full-Size-Funeral-Casket-COFFIN-3-/251606172366?hash=item3a94e582ce

The Backwards Man

cruais wrote: »

But how did they get their hands on a coffin... its not as if they are on a weekly special in aldi.

Cant get my head around it.

I suppose time will tell when the investigation goes on.

You can buy one from the undertaker, you can buy them online, you can make your own, it's not rocket science to see how this could have happened, very little questions are asked at the time. Why would they be in normal circumstances?

NachoBusiness

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Stuff of nightmares?

Bad horror film?

Bizarre?

It's none of these things, it's just a sad incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e9E83op_dc

Old Perry

cruais wrote: »

But how did they get their hands on a coffin... its not as if they are on a weekly special in aldi.

Cant get my head around it.

I suppose time will tell when the investigation goes on.

Its not just that though, as mentioned what bout undertakers? Embalming? do the church not expect some registration of death?

The Backwards Man

The_Valeyard wrote: »

You would need an undertakers for a burial right?

They would, prep, dress, load the body????? This very sad and bizzare.

Odd story.

They might not in the case of a newborn, it is sometimes left to the family themselves if they wish.

hairyslug

The_Valeyard wrote: »

You would need an undertakers for a burial right?

They would, prep, dress, load the body????? This very sad and bizzare.

Odd story.

No need for an undertaker for either a funeral or burial, I have organised a burial dealing with only the people at the graveyard, the funeral is a bit more hard work but it's possible

Old Perry

I wonder did the grave diggers know as the were digging? fair creepy diggin up a grave not knowing wat youre gonna find

cruais

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You can buy one from the undertaker, you can buy them online, you can make your own, it's not rocket science to see how this could have happened, very little questions are asked at the time. Why would they be in normal circumstances?

Alarm bells should be ringing if you go into an undertakers to buy a coffin at random, particularly an infants.

The Backwards Man

cruais wrote: »

Alarm bells should be ringing if you go into an undertakers to buy a coffin at random, particularly an infants.

If they told the undertaker your baby had died and you want a coffin? You think the undertaker would say 'prove it?' He wouldn't be in business too long, that fella

[Deleted User]

cruais wrote: »

Alarm bells should be ringing if you go into an undertakers to buy a coffin at random, particularly an infants.

Why would it? I've walked in off the street and bought a coffin before there was ever a body to go in it!

That's how funerals start. The first thing you do is go in and buy the coffin. I presume for stillborns, it's even less formal than it is for dead adults (which is not formal at all, thankfully. Paperwork and form-filling is the last thing mourners need).

cruais

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If they told the undertaker your baby had died and you want a coffin? You think the undertaker would say 'prove it?' He wouldn't be in business too long, that fella

But do they not have to embalm etc

[Deleted User]

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If they told the undertaker your baby had died and you want a coffin? You think the undertaker would say 'prove it?' He wouldn't be in business too long, that fella

I think they're meant to look for preliminary death certs before they bury anything. I don't think you can open a plot and put in a coffin without some sort of official paperwork.

I hope not, anyway.

Old Perry

Mass on sunday is gonna be slightly awkward.

seamus

None of these things are really controlled. You could build your own coffin or buy one online. As far as I can tell, burying someone just requires buying a plot and notifying the caretaker that you'll be putting a coffin in. You don't have to embalm someone, you don't have to engage a funeral director. There's no indication that they got the church involved.

So there's not really anything illegal going on here. Except maybe some littering bye-law in relation to the graveyard.

I suspect in this case they probably had a late stage miscarriage or early stillbirth, and unable to deal with their grief and having no remains to speak of, they cared for this doll as a child until such time as they were ready to move on. It's very sad and no uncommon.

Usually only one of the couple is really having difficulty, but the other partner will do what they can to help them through it, including buying graveyard plots and coffins.

nelly17

seamus wrote: »

I suspect in this case they probably had a late stage miscarriage or early stillbirth, and unable to deal with their grief and having no remains to speak of, they cared for this doll as a child until such time as they were ready to move on. It's very sad and no uncommon.

Usually only one of the couple is really having difficulty, but the other partner will do what they can to help them through it, including buying graveyard plots and coffins.

I was thinking this too - which does not make the couple mental, or the whole thing ****ed up - it makes it sad and tragic.

BorneTobyWilde

Batteries died
They could of got new ones.

The Backwards Man

cruais wrote: »

But do they not have to embalm etc

You don't have to be embalmed to be buried, a newborn is highly unlikely to be embalmed.