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Another light sentence handed down by the courts

handlemaster

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-broke-skull-in-attack-gets-suspended-sentence-1.2298734

It seems unbelievable with such an attack on someone that the defendant will not see the inside of a jail.

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Yellowblackbird

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm not sure this is correct. I think suspended sentences run consecutive to any sentence for a crime that that broke the conditions of the suspension. Similar to sentences for crimes committed whilst on bail.

What i meant is that a judge will have an overall sentence in mind even though there is a rake of things in front of them for a person. They will tailor what they give for each thing to meet up with this. So if there is also a suspended sentence in the mix then they will simply deduct that off something else.

Help!!!!

jobbridge4life wrote: »

One where we have overcrowded prisons, one where incarcerating a prisoner costs circa 70,000 euro a year and one where prisons may actually be criminogenic.

Still seems ridic to me though.

Why are the government not making laws whereby all or some of their dole money gets taken off them while they are inside? At least the prisons would be getting some money back.
Also don't understand why we don't do what they do in America & get these people picking litter from motorways, repairing pot holes or other jobs that councils need doing

El Weirdo

Help!!!! wrote: »

Why are the government not making laws whereby all or some of their dole money gets taken off them while they are inside? At least the prisons would be getting some money back.
Also don't understand why we don't do what they do in America & get these people picking litter from motorways, repairing pot holes or other jobs that councils need doing

Pretty sure you can't claim the dole whilst serving a prison sentence. How would you fulfill the being available for work condition?

Help!!!!

El Weirdo wrote: »

Pretty sure you can't claim the dole whilst serving a prison sentence. How would you fulfill the being available for work condition?

Its waiting for them when they get out

El Weirdo

Help!!!! wrote: »

Its waiting for them when they get out

This is nonsense.

jobbridge4life

Help!!!! wrote: »

Why are the government not making laws whereby all or some of their dole money gets taken off them while they are inside? At least the prisons would be getting some money back.

One cannot claim the dole when in prison. Even if one could it would simply be a case of the government confiscating money it gave out, not a money making exercise.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Also don't understand why we don't do what they do in America & get these people picking litter from motorways, repairing pot holes or other jobs that councils need doing

Well we do have community service that can involve these elements in a none custodial fashion. I have already stated my discomfort with this however because if these are jobs worth doing then proper wages should be made available to pay people to them. And an argument that says 'well it would be cheaper this way' is an argument for displacing law abiding citizens from jobs and handing them to convicts. Not ideal either. Leaving aside all together issues around creating a force of indentured labourers.

handlemaster

Help!!!! wrote: »

Its waiting for them when they get out

I think they used to scam the system but wasn't ment to work that way. Some mention of matching the PPS numbers of prisoners with social welfare recepentants. They used to have a prisoners wife allowance also

kub

This thing about scum getting easy or no prison time is going to keep happening. It is quite simple, they go through the court system. An institution which trains its own, appoints its own and even makes the laws for the politicians to implement.

Therefore there are vested interests at work, defence solicitors and indeed barristers have to find work and have to be paid those handsome salaries they receive. At the end of the day, the practice of these solicitors and barristers are business's and as we all know then business rules apply.

Therefore it is much better for the legal industry if these scum bags are roaming the streets creating havoc as they will be arrested over and over again and this creates extra business for them sadly at the tax payers expense.

So why would turkeys vote for Christmas? Nothing is going to change.

frostyjacks

Another day, another joke of a sentence.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-couldnt-afford-vet-bills-smashed-jack-russell-on-ground-30-times-in-front-of-children-in-park-31410823.html

He swung the dog over his head and smashed it to the ground thirty times as he passed a children's park.

He has 12 previous convictions, including a four and a half year sentence for drugs. But don't worry folks, he's not going to jail. Judge didn't even ban him from keeping animals. Prescription drugs were the defence here, would you believe.

Someone should swing him around in the air and smash him into the ground thirty times, see how it feels.

Little CuChulainn

frostyjacks wrote: »

Another day, another joke of a sentence.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-couldnt-afford-vet-bills-smashed-jack-russell-on-ground-30-times-in-front-of-children-in-park-31410823.html

He swung the dog over his head and smashed it to the ground thirty times as he passed a children's park.

He has 12 previous convictions, including a four and a half year sentence for drugs. But don't worry folks, he's not going to jail. Judge didn't even ban him from keeping animals. Prescription drugs were the defence here, would you believe.

Someone should swing him around in the air and smash him into the ground thirty times, see how it feels.

"Mr Dowling was caring for a child and was a “contributing member of society.”He said he would not impose a ban on Mr Dowling keeping animals, as he "didn't want to deprive the man's child of having a dog"

Sound reasoning from one of our betters there.

genericguy

handlemaster wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-trace-vicious-thief-sentenced-to-fourandahalf-years-using-find-my-phone-app-31409601.html

Heres another nice young man. Two crimes rolled into on sentence four years. Again people were Shouting "kill him kill him" similar to the case highted yesterday. Whats wrong with these people.

That judge is a ****ing scumbag. I wonder if a man stole from his daughter and stamped on his sons head in the street would a sentence so soft be applied. The judge will be to blame for the ***** next crime. Harvest the judge for organs. Burn the offender. Very low cost.

Although if we were burning criminals at the stake, I've no doubt a yet-to-be-set-up-by-denis-o-brien company would find a way to get 70k a head out of it.

genericguy

handlemaster wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-trace-vicious-thief-sentenced-to-fourandahalf-years-using-find-my-phone-app-31409601.html

Heres another nice young man. Two crimes rolled into on sentence four years. Again people were Shouting "kill him kill him" similar to the case highted yesterday. Whats wrong with these people.

drunkmonkey

Yea joke again today...he was on anti-depressants....sweet jesus if there's even a slight chance that they can cause you to bash your pets head off the ground 30 times there not fecking working kid...

Seems to be a pattern developing.....haul their doctors into court for prescription drug dealing...if he said it was a bad ecstacy tablet caused it there would already be a man hunt for the dealer...

Ken.

If he does that to a dog while on meds why is the child not being taken off him?.

Guy:Incognito

ken wrote: »

If he does that to a dog while on meds why is the child not being taken off him?.

It's ok. He wont hurt the child unless it gets sick and he cant afford to go to the doctor.......

conorh91

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I've seen it in court a number of times. Judge simply decides not to activate the sentence.

A number of times? What number?

I've often sat in hearings in the Circuit Court where a previously suspended sentence fell to be activated, and I can recall only one suspended sentence not being activated. That case involved the application of an overly-zealous probation officer, at the behest of a family member, in light of a minor contravention of the order previously made by the Court at sentencing.

I have never seen a court refuse to activate a suspended sentence where the convicted person has been freshly convicted of a crime.

Of course, nobody can speak with certainty on the lawless approach of the District Court, but it would be generally considered misleading for anyone to claim, or imply, that it is normal for suspended sentences to not be activated in light of fresh convictions during the period of suspension. That is just not true in practice.

handlemaster

conorh91 wrote: »

A number of times? What number?

I've often sat in hearings in the Circuit Court where a previously suspended sentence fell to be activated, and I can recall only one suspended sentence not being activated. That case involved the application of an overly-zealous probation officer, at the behest of a family member, in light of a minor contravention of the order previously made by the Court at sentencing.

I have never seen a court refuse to activate a suspended sentence where the convicted person has been freshly convicted of a crime.

Of course, nobody can speak with certainty on the lawless approach of the District Court, but it would be generally considered misleading for anyone to claim, or imply, that it is normal for suspended sentences to not be activated in light of fresh convictions during the period of suspension. That is just not true in practice.

Would the new conviction rent concurrently then with the suspended sentence thereby giving the criminal a free crime benefit ?

Little CuChulainn

conorh91 wrote: »

A number of times? What number?

I've often sat in hearings in the Circuit Court where a previously suspended sentence fell to be activated, and I can recall only one suspended sentence not being activated. That case involved the application of an overly-zealous probation officer, at the behest of a family member, in light of a minor contravention of the order previously made by the Court at sentencing.

I have never seen a court refuse to activate a suspended sentence where the convicted person has been freshly convicted of a crime.

Of course, nobody can speak with certainty on the lawless approach of the District Court, but it would be generally considered misleading for anyone to claim, or imply, that it is normal for suspended sentences to not be activated in light of fresh convictions during the period of suspension. That is just not true in practice.

Maybe in your experience. I saw it happen only last week.

twowheelsonly

Barely There wrote: »

It's very unfortunate that the criminal justice system we have in this country has resulted in one of the safest societies on Earth.

I'd much rather we had a "lock 'em u" attitude like the US or a 'chop their hands off' system like the Middle East.
Far nicer places to live.

Conversely, I'm a lot more comfortable walking through Times Square or around any streets in New York than O'Connell St or practically any street in City Centre Dublin

Barely There wrote: »

What bad could come to society from imposing a custodial sentence on a guy with an ounce of hash in his pocket?

In this case it's not so much about the hash itself but where he got it? That 20 quid that you paid for the lump in your pocket is most likely going to fund a criminal enterprise somewhere. Chances are that the same enterprise is involved in harder drugs, guns and various other activities.

If I knowingly buy a stolen laptop then I'm branded as being part of the chain. IMO the same applies to all drugs much as I'd far prefer to see the higher level criminals getting the brunt of it.

Irish Guitarist

How was he supposed to know that innocently running at someone and kicking them in the head would injure them? He's a victim in all this really, just look the poor young man that innocently set someones costume on fire recently without knowing that fire can burn people.

conorh91

handlemaster wrote: »

Would the new conviction rent concurrently then with the suspended sentence thereby giving the criminal a free crime benefit ?

Not being funny but there's a typo in your post, I'm not certain what you're asking.

If you're asking whether a suspended sentence, which has now been activated, would run concurrently to a freshly imposed sentence, the answer is no.

Where a suspended sentence or a partially-suspended sentence has been imposed, that sentence will run consecutively to any newly imposed sentence.

See subss. 10, 11 of s. 99 Criminal Justice Act 2006, as amended by s.60 of the Criminal Justice Act 2007:

(10) A court to which a person has been remanded under subsection (9) shall revoke the order under subsection (1) unless it considers that the revocation of that order would be unjust in all the circumstances of the case, and where the court revokes that order, the person shall be required to serve the entire of the sentence of imprisonment originally imposed by the court, or such part of the sentence as the court considers just having regard to all of the circumstances of the case, less any period of that sentence already served in prison and any period spent in custody other than a period spent in custody by the person in respect of an offence referred to in subsection (9) pending the revocation of the said order.

(10A) The court referred to in subsection (10) shall remand the person concerned in custody or on bail to the next sitting of the court referred to in subsection (9) for the purpose of that court imposing sentence on that person for the offence referred to in that subsection.

(11)(a) Where an order under subsection (1) is revoked under subsection (10), a sentence of imprisonment (other than a sentence consisting of imprisonment for life) imposed on the person concerned under subsection (10A) [highlight]shall not commence until the expiration of any period of imprisonment required to be served by the person under subsection (10).[/highlight]

groovyg

I thought I had seen it all - guy gets 9 years for raping two kids whats more shocking is the local football club rallys around him and he got 43 signatures of support!!! Girlfriend with an 8 year old child stands by him ... wtf is wrong with people

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/local-football-club-and-employers-rally-around-man-convicted-of-raping-a-child-court-hears-31411016.html

kub

groovyg wrote: »

I thought I had seen it all - guy gets 9 years for raping two kids whats more shocking is the local football club rallys around him and he got 43 signatures of support!!! Girlfriend with an 8 year old child stands by him ... wtf is wrong with people

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/local-football-club-and-employers-rally-around-man-convicted-of-raping-a-child-court-hears-31411016.html

That is a heavy sentence...........in this country, but then i suppose he will be out after 4?

handlemaster

groovyg wrote: »

I thought I had seen it all - guy gets 9 years for raping two kids whats more shocking is the local football club rallys around him and he got 43 signatures of support!!! Girlfriend with an 8 year old child stands by him ... wtf is wrong with people

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/local-football-club-and-employers-rally-around-man-convicted-of-raping-a-child-court-hears-31411016.html

Shocking.. Should be 20/35 years

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twowheelsonly wrote: »

Conversely, I'm a lot more comfortable walking through Times Square or around any streets in New York than O'Connell St or practically any street in City Centre Dublin

Ha ha.. oh come on..

handlemaster

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/reinforcements-called-as-number-of-inmates-climb-onto-roof-of-cloverhill-prison-31413052.html

To soft on them. Will any get extended stay ?

Little CuChulainn

handlemaster wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/reinforcements-called-as-number-of-inmates-climb-onto-roof-of-cloverhill-prison-31413052.html

To soft on them. Will any get extended stay ?

They'll probably use the popular "peaceful protest" defence.

El Weirdo

kub wrote: »

That is a heavy sentence...........in this country, but then i suppose he will be out after 4?

You suppose wrong.

handlemaster

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-jailed-for-three-years-for-attacking-two-men-with-a-glass-bottle-in-separate-attacks-31413746.html

128 previous convictions. ... Three years for two vicious assults .... Whats it going to take.. Somthing has to change

frostyjacks

'He suspended the final two years of the sentence to give Nolan “light at the end of the tunnel.”'

I think after 128 convictions, that ship has sailed. How many convictions do you need before a judge will stop it with the kid glove treatment? 200, 500...a thousand?