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The English and their weird fascist nationalism again.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

James McClean refused to stand and face towards the English flag while God Save The Queen was playing today and is now getting dogs abuse from many of the jingoistic English.
He doesn't want to respect the English national anthem, he doesn't want to wear a war poppy, he just wants to play some football. Why do so many English fans and press get so caught up and attack him?
He literally just can't stand there and respect any symbolism that represents forces that murdered people where he lives. The British Army were ruthless towards the people of Derry.

Let the man have his beliefs, they come from a very real place.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/07/19/albions-james-mclean-refuses-to-face-english-flag/

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[Deleted User]

... honestly, if it were an Englishman on the Irish team and they didn't do the same to the Irish anthem, there'd be a similar outcry. Let's face it - it'd be true.

Ave Sodalis

Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

john.han

Deleted User wrote: »

... honestly, if it were an Englishman on the Irish team and they didn't do the same to the Irish anthem, there'd be a similar outcry. Let's face it - it'd be true.

But they'd have no reason to do the same... the Irish nation never did what the British army did in Derry, you've kinda missed the point.

Cantona's Collars

They are stealing our sportsmen,McGregor last week and now the BBC have called Paul Dunne a "Brit".

The Backwards Man

As my granny used to say about the Derry men, 'they're all big fellas until you try to pay their dole in Punts.'

cloud493

Jesus, some boards people have a proper chip on their shoulder about british people and 'the brits'

Hammer89

I don't have a view, but please watch the first minute of that match. The commentator describes Tony Pulis as "one of the best in Europe" and repeatedly refers to them as "the West Bromwich Albion".

Cold War Kid

It's not fair to imply this kind of fanaticism is just an English thing.

It would be the same in the US or Russia.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Deleted User wrote: »

... honestly, if it were an Englishman on the Irish team and they didn't do the same to the Irish anthem, there'd be a similar outcry. Let's face it - it'd be true.

You've just made up a fantasy situation to counter what's happened.

sup_dude wrote: »

Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

He plays football for whoever will pay him the most. Why do national anthems, flags, poppies, politics, nationalism ect. come into it?

Dozen Wicked Words

Cold War Kid wrote: »

It's not fair to imply this kind of fanaticism is just an English thing.

No but it's very easy, especially for some here, doesn't take much.

It'll help to fill the void until the build up to the annual November poppy-athon anyway.

Carlos Orange

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

You've just made up a fantasy situation to counter what's happened.

Is this the first time someone used if in your presence?

HandsomeDan

If he feels so strongly about what the English apparently did to Derry, then why play play on their national team?

OldMrBrennan83

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Dirty Dingus McGee

HandsomeDan wrote: »

If he feels so strongly about what the English apparently did to Derry, then why play play on their national team?

He doesn't play on their national team.

jimgoose

Tuk err idjits!!

Cold War Kid

sup_dude wrote: »

Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

HandsomeDan wrote: »

If he feels so strongly about what the English apparently did to Derry, then why play play on their national team?

I Googled - doesn't seem like he does. I could be wrong though - can't keep up with sport.

darkpagandeath

There would be the same outrage If it was an American team and the American Anthem.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

sup_dude wrote: »

Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

I lost brain cells reading this post.

Ave Sodalis

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

He plays football for whoever will pay him the most. Why do national anthems, flags, poppies, politics, nationalism ect. come into it?

Whatever about the poppy, I agree with him there but he was playing an American team and therefore was representing England by playing with an English team, which is why the anthem was played. I would be very surprised if he didn't know that was going to happen.

Also, if he felt that strongly about it, then it shouldn't matter how much he's getting paid.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

psinno wrote: »

Is this the first time someone used if in your presence?

Nope. But if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.

HandsomeDan wrote: »

If he feels so strongly about what the English apparently did to Derry, then why play play on their national team?

He doesn't play on their national team. He regularly plays for Ireland.

mjsc1970

There's 2 minutes of my life ill never get back after reading this thread

Ave Sodalis

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I Googled - doesn't seem like he does. I could be wrong though - can't keep up with sport.

The Honey Monster wrote: »

I lost brain cells reading this post.

An English team, not the English team...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Oh Lord here we go again. Any excuse to rake up the past and anti British waffle. Life's too short.

We were brought up to respect and honour any national flag or anthem, regardless of our personal bias or political persuasion.

Sheep Lover

I love these threads, it's like a competition for who can be the most righteous, high on their horse PC whore going.

Micky Dolenz

I am horrified and shocked in equal measures.

[Deleted User]

HandsomeDan wrote: »

If he feels so strongly about what the English apparently did to Derry, then why play play on their national team?

I see many of the people queuing up to stick the knife in McLean have a firm grasp of facts.

1. It wasn't 'the English' it was the British Army that carried out systematic repression and the killing of innocent civilians in Bloody Sunday and more.

2. He doesn't play for the English national team. Are you for real?

Dirty Dingus McGee

sup_dude wrote: »

Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

It's not a requirement.

The only requirement is that he is good enough to play for the team.

I work for a French company but if Le Marseillaise was played I wouldn't stand up for it and I doubt my employers would expect me to.

cloud493

You know, in 6 years living in Ireland as a British person, I have heard/seen anti British rhetoric maybe, once or twice, IRL. On boards, I see it at least a couple of times a month, maybe more. People need to get over themselves and move on.

eet fuk

sup_dude wrote: »

Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

By that logic anyone who works for any English company should stand for the English national anthem.

darkpagandeath

I hear they eat babies too.