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Just witnessed a big row outside Tesco between a woman with two young children and an elderly woman, because the elderly woman took the last P&C space. I was a bit gobsmacked as I didn't think people took those spaces that seriously. I've parked in them myself once or twice when the car park was full, or if I'm shopping late in the evening and they're mostly empty.

Just wondering how seriously posters on here take them?

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Riskymove

Finn Vast Snot wrote: »

Parking in a disabled space without a blue badge is despicable behaviour and not in any way comparable to parking in a P&C space.

it is never black and white

my local tescos has around 24 disabled parking spots.

There is rarely more than 1 or 2 occupied

If I am having a quick stop I see no issue. I wouldn't us it if there were limited spaces.

freshpopcorn

cocker5 wrote: »

A disability badge is NOT reserved for people in wheel chairs.. its for people with a disability.. hence the name.

My father had a major stroke 15 years ago, mobility is pretty bad, although he doesn't use a wheel chair he is very slow to move and unsteady on his feet - he has a badge.

I think my post came across wrong. I know people who has the badge for there cars and they have many different types of disability.
What annoys me is people who gives out about people like this.
I hope that makes sense.

AnonoBoy

Riskymove wrote: »

it is never black and white

my local tescos has around 24 disabled parking spots.

There is rarely more than 1 or 2 occupied

If I am having a quick stop I see no issue. I wouldn't us it if there were limited spaces.

So would you use a disabled spot when there's other spaces available?

SEPT 23 1989

the blue rinse brigade think they own the place

Riskymove

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So would you use a disabled spot when there's other spaces available?

I have set out my position on the particular circumstances

I wouldn't use one where I believed I would actually inconvenience someone who needed it

freshpopcorn

Finn Vast Snot wrote: »

As I said earlier, you don't need a wheelchair to be disabled and not able to walk very far. They're not 'wheelchair' spaces, they're 'disabled' spaces and are available to people with breathing problems, hip problems, parents with badly autistic children amongst others.

I think my post came across wrong. What annoys me is when people don't accept different types of disabilities in order to have a badge.

AnonoBoy

Riskymove wrote: »

I have set out my position on the particular circumstances

I wouldn't use one where I believed I would actually inconvenience someone who needed it

So you would still use one when there were plenty of other spaces available then, yes?

Gatling

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the blue rinse brigade think they own the place

Unlike the mothers

anncoates

Riskymove wrote: »

it is never black and white

my local tescos has around 24 disabled parking spots.

There is rarely more than 1 or 2 occupied

If I am having a quick stop I see no issue. I wouldn't us it if there were limited spaces.

This has been done to death in here but disabled spaces work on goodwill. A small number of **** wrongly parking in them doesn't matter because the majority of people leave them free for disabled users.

If they didn't, there's a very high chance there would be no space for a disabled user when needed.

So yeah, you probably won't inconvenience a disabled user if you're in the minority of **** that are afforded the opportunity to park wrongly there by the goodwill of the majority of society

Patser

Finn Vast Snot wrote: »

If you put a trolley bay and a pathway beside the spaces then there's no extra risk to the children, and spaces by the door are freed up so elderly people also have access to them.

I'm not suggesting this as an either/or, by all means have both. My initial reply was to the suggestion to put p&c as far away as possible to see who really wants them.

The risk to kids still remains if having to cross a busy car park. I agree footpath helps.

ThisRegard

Uriel. wrote: »

all surprised if this was a genuine problem for parents or carers of small children.

It's a pain in the ass in some places where the space are narrow. Those spaces make it easier to get the kids out, and most importantly for some people, the car door isn't bashed or pushed against the neighbouring car in the process.

Medusa22

Riverireland wrote: »

My neighbours, mother and daughter both have wheelchair parking stickers on their cars. The mother did have an accident about 15 years ago but they have never used a wheelchair. No need for them to be taking up disabled parking.

kylith wrote: »

And my cousin has a prosthetic leg. You wouldn't notice anything more than a limp if you saw her, but she certainly finds the handicapped spaces a help.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That drives me absolutely mad. They don't have a wheel chair, so why do they have a disability badge.

As others have already said, being disabled and being in a wheelchair are not necessarily the same thing, you can be disabled and not be in a wheelchair, those spots should really be called 'reduced mobility spaces'. I have a disabled badge and I am not in a wheelchair, and there are many other people like me who have genuine reasons to have disabled badges but are able to walk. I have Cystic Fibrosis which is a lung condition and there are days when I find it difficult to walk very far because I feel unwell and I'm out of breath, and sometimes I have an exacerbation and then it is difficult to do much walking at all, and having the badge means that I can get much closer to the shopping centre or closer to the pharmacy or wherever I'm going. I've had a woman shout at me not to be parked in a disabled space before when I was coming back from the pharmacy with a bag full of medication and I absolutely lost it with her. Some people abuse the badges, of course, using them when their ill relative isn't in the car, but if I see a badge on a car in a disabled space, I don't say anything, even if the person getting out of the car looks healthy, because if you were to look at me you'd have no idea that I have an illness.

Riskymove

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So you would still use one when there were plenty of other spaces available then, yes?

I have now twice answered setting out my position....how many times would you like?

If 20 odd spaces are left empty and never used to satisfy the world view of some people then so be it.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

To be honest, there seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the purpose of these spaces. Some people seem to believe it's solely to provide extra wide spaces for lifting car seats and toddlers out of cars. Others think it's to allow parents to park at the door and avoid having to steer toddlers across the car park.

The former makes sense but spaces should not be at the door.

The latter only really makes sense if it's confined to parents travelling with 2 or 3 toddlers. Steering or carrying one toddler across a car park is no big deal. Bringing two toddlers across isn't either if both parents are present. Carrying a baby across the car park isn't dangerous. And certainly, once children reach a certain age, they should be capable of walking beside their parents and understanding that they can't run off.

cocker5

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think my post came across wrong. I know people who has the badge for there cars and they have many different types of disability.
What annoys me is people who gives out about people like this.
I hope that makes sense.

Yip I see what your saying

I suppose people look and see someone not confined to a wheel and think they dont have a disability or somehow they have swindled a badge and then they judge or get angry.. i suppose its a vicous circle.

My dad doesn't actually drive, i drive him around, so i have his badge in my car.

i have never parked in a disability space when he is not with me (and rightly so) and to be honest sometimes when he is i still dont use them its depends on when I'm bringing him and if its raining etc...

c68zapdsm5i1ru

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think my post came across wrong. What annoys me is when people don't accept different types of disabilities in order to have a badge.

Sorry, I realise what you meant now.

AnonoBoy

Riskymove wrote: »

I have now twice answered setting out my position....how many times would you like?

Well you actually haven't answered my question directly but I can guess the answer. Don't worry I'm pretty sure I know your type alright.

Also - if there's 20 disabled spots at your local Tesco - how many other spots are there? How many other spots are empty when those 20 disabled spots are empty?

Riskymove

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Well you actually haven't answered my question directly but I can guess the answer. Don't worry I'm pretty sure I know your type alright.

I have answered it....twice

I know your type too...determined to be outraged and label people

LDN_Irish

Finn Vast Snot wrote: »

To be honest, there seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the purpose of these spaces. Some people seem to believe it's solely to provide extra wide spaces for lifting car seats and toddlers out of cars. Others think it's to allow parents to park at the door and avoid having to steer toddlers across the car park.

The former makes sense but spaces should not be at the door.

The latter only really makes sense if it's confined to parents travelling with 2 or 3 toddlers. Steering or carrying one toddler across a car park is no big deal. Bringing two toddlers across isn't either if both parents are present. Carrying a baby across the car park isn't dangerous. And certainly, once children reach a certain age, they should be capable of walking beside their parents and understanding that they can't run off.

I'm not really understanding your point here. Do you want all the P&C spaces moved? What's the point? Do you have kids yourself?

Riskymove

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Also - if there's 20 disabled spots at your local Tesco - how many other spots are there? How many other spots are empty when those 20 disabled spots are empty?

actually it can be quite full with only the disabled spots free, or some distance away

tbh it doesn't really matter, I can see you are only concerned with getting enough info for a black and white labeling of me from your ivory tower

I have set out the position on when I might actually use one of these spots. I don't use disabled spaces in any other context.

AnonoBoy

Riskymove wrote: »

I have answered it....twice

I know your type too...determined to be outraged and label people

And where have I mentioned outrage in my posts?

I'm not labelling you, I'm just coming to an opinion on you based on your own admitted actions.

If you're annoyed that people think badly of you because of the way you behave that's really your problem and it stems from your behaviour rather than from a fault on behalf of the other people.

And you sh*teing on about ivory towers is nonsense - that would imply I'm never in a similar situation or live some charmed life that doesn't involved going to the supermarket myself. Do I not understand what it's like on the mean streets of your town with your massive Tesco supermarket?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

LDN_Irish wrote: »

I'm not really understanding your point here. Do you want all the P&C spaces moved? What's the point? Do you have kids yourself?

I'm saying the logic of needing a space beside the door for safety reasons doesn't really make sense unless one parent is trying to steer two or more toddlers across the car park. If that's their purpose then a parent with one toddler in the car, for instance, shouldn't be using them either.

What difference does it make whether or not I have children myself? Are parents the only people entitled to comment on this issue or have a valid view on it?

Riskymove

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If you're annoyed that people think badly of you because of the way you behave that's really your problem and it stems from your behaviour rather than from a fault on behalf of the other people.

I am not annoyed (at all) about you thinking badly of me, rather that I believe I have made my position clear

anncoates

Finn Vast Snot wrote: »

To be honest, there seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the purpose of these spaces. Some people seem to believe it's solely to provide extra wide spaces for lifting car seats and toddlers out of cars. Others think it's to allow parents to park at the door and avoid having to steer toddlers across the car park.

The former makes sense but spaces should not be at the door.

The latter only really makes sense if it's confined to parents travelling with 2 or 3 toddlers. Steering or carrying one toddler across a car park is no big deal. Bringing two toddlers across isn't either if both parents are present. Carrying a baby across the car park isn't dangerous. And certainly, once children reach a certain age, they should be capable of walking beside their parents and understanding that they can't run off.

I don't think people are saying that bringing children across a busy car park is like walking them across the M50 or that it's impossible to get out of cars otherwise.

The spaces are a commercial courtesy extended by private businesses on their land to facilitate or entice a certain type of customer to the premises.

Of course, because it's Ireland, this simple fact is deemed to be an assault on the human rights of those that don't fall into that customer category and therefore must be fought tooth and nail and debated at every turn.

Riskymove

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And you sh*teing on about ivory towers is nonsense - that would imply I'm never in a similar situation or live some charmed life that doesn't involved going to the supermarket myself. Do I not understand what it's like on the mean streets of your town with your massive Tesco supermarket?

jaysus....look never mind...I am a nasty person (or wanker as suggested by another) and live to laugh at disabled people's inconvenience

grand, let's move on

inforfun

Never park in them nor in a spot for the disabled but at some parkings there are so many of those "special" spots, there are hardly any "normal" spaces.

Wouldnt exactly feel guilty either parking in a parent & child space after 9 in the evening either.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

anncoates wrote: »

I don't think people are saying that bringing children across a busy car park is like walking them across the M50 or that it's impossible to get out of cars otherwise.

The spaces are a commercial courtesy extended by private businesses on their land to facilitate or entice a certain type of customer to the premises.

Of course, because it's Ireland, this simple fact is deemed to be an assault on the human rights of those that don't fall into that customer category and therefore must be fought tooth and nail and debated at every turn.

Well that was kind of the point I was making. There seems to be no clear understanding of what the actual purpose of the spaces are. As a result some people almost equate them with Blue Badge spaces and get highly irate if someone else uses them. And some people aren't even flexible enough to realise that an elderly person might need an extra wide space or a space by the door.

It's when people start getting aggressive and self entitled about them that the problems start. They're really just a concession, but some customers seem to think they're an essential must have.

AnonoBoy

Riskymove wrote: »

jaysus....look never mind...I am a nasty person (or wanker as suggested by another) and live to laugh at disabled people's inconvenience

grand, let's move on

I never said any of those things about you. You're projecting your own fears about what other people think on to what I'm saying.

Maybe it bothers you more than you're letting on that you do indeed park in disabled spaces even when there's other spaces available?

LDN_Irish

Finn Vast Snot wrote: »

I'm saying the logic of needing a space beside the door for safety reasons doesn't really make sense unless one parent is trying to steer two or more toddlers across the car park. If that's their purpose then a parent with one toddler in the car, for instance, shouldn't be using them either.

What difference does it make whether or not I have children myself? Are parents the only people entitled to comment on this issue or have a valid view on it?

You'd have more insight in to the logistics of taking kids out of cars in car park if you'd done it, obviously. It was the "children should be able to walk beside their parent" comment thay made me think you probably don't. It's puzzling why anyone without kids would care at all because it doesn't negatively effect them, unless they're too lazy to walk an extra few metres. But you're missing something here anyway.

If you have 1 child in a car seat then the P&C spaces may help in getting them out due to the width.

If you have multiple children then the P&C spaces may help in less distance to move children/buggy etc to the shop. So the simplest solution if providing P&C spaces is to put them beside the shop. So that's what they do and everyone gets along grand except for the overly entitled who just have to park as close as they possibly can to the shop so they have less distance to drag them themselves.

ThisRegard

Finn Vast Snot wrote: »

There seems to be no clear understanding of what the actual purpose of the spaces are.

They're spaces reserved for parent and child, that's their purpose.