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Tim Hunt got hunted!

ShowMeTheCash

Was watching question time on BBC last night and they discussed should Tim Hunt been let go from his position at the Royal Society and University College London after telling a conference it was difficult to work with "girls".

"Let me tell you about my trouble with girls," he said.

"Three things happen when they are in the lab: you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticise them they cry."

What I found Ironic if anyone saw it, a woman who was very passionate about defending the argument that he should indeed of been dismissed almost seem to become emotional to the point she looked like she was going to cry while making her point!

What do you think, should he been dismissed or has political correctness gone crazy?

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kneemos

Could be right.Never worked in a lab.

eamonnq

I am assuming that he does not fall in love with ALL the women that are in his lab, and that not ALL the women in the lab fall in love with him, and I would think that not ALL the women in the lab cry when he criticised them.

ShowMeTheCash

eamonnq wrote: »

I am assuming that he does not fall in love with ALL the women that are in his lab, and that not ALL the women in the lab fall in love with him, and I would think that not ALL the women in the lab cry when he criticised them.

Wow - Science!

His comment was stupid don't think too many would argue to the contrary, but should he be fired over the head of it?

kellso81

He wasn't fired, he resigned

kneemos

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Wow - Science!

His comment was stupid don't think too many would argue to the contrary, but should he be fired over the head of it?

The guy is a professor,surely he bases his conclusions on evidence?

ShowMeTheCash

kellso81 wrote: »

He wasn't fired, he resigned

Let me rephrase - he was forced to resign.

Menas

I am with Brian Cox on this, the reaction is disproportionate but the comment was stupid.

I did like the comeback from some female scientists though...

biko

People fall in love in the workplace all the time. And cry when criticised.
His remark was sexist drivel but hardly enough for a manhunt*.

*see what I did there?

ShowMeTheCash

kneemos wrote: »

The guy is a professor,surely he bases his conclusions on evidence?

Yeah that's what professor's do, they weigh up every single word that they utter to ensure everything said is always backed up with evidence...

kneemos

Lab work looks like the most boring and repetitive thing I've ever seen.
Maybe that's why they're crying.

Eugene Norman

He's a 72 year old man who made a silly old school but definitely sexist remark. As a "joke". The harpies then circulated.

ShowMeTheCash

Eugene Norman wrote: »

He's a 72 year old man who made a silly old school but definitely sexist remark. As a "joke". The harpies then circulated.

Trial by twitter I think they where calling it!

looksee

13 posts and no-one has said they wouldn't fancy him/ they wouldn't do (various things) to/with him/ he wouldn't be good enough for them/ he is too old / his appearance does not meet the rigorous standards required by posters...funny that...

darkpagandeath

looksee wrote: »

13 posts and no-one has said they wouldn't fancy him/ they wouldn't do (various things) to/with him/ he wouldn't be good enough for them/ he is too old / his appearance does not meet the rigorous standards required by posters...funny that...

Because to fight sexism with sexism is the way..

aphex™

I've had problems with women in the workplace.

Let's see-

Colleague asking me repeatedly if I think she's good looking.
Female manager trying to set me up with a female colleague, then angry when rebuffed.
Woman telling other staff that she's going to stand at my desk until I run a report when her own team is holding me up with nothing to do.
The above woman crying when I emailed the 2nd level manager above her.
The above woman crying (again) when her boss asked her to do her job.
Female manager repeatedly looking around the office and saying "You guys are being mean to me" x4 times daily.

Yep, the guy has a point.

kylith

aphex™ wrote: »

I've had problems with women in the workplace.

Let's see-

Colleague asking me repeatedly if I think she's good looking.
Female manager trying to set me up with a female colleague, then angry when rebuffed.
Woman telling other staff that she's going to stand at my desk until I run a report when her own team is holding me up with nothing to do.
The above woman crying when I emailed the 2nd level manager above her.
The above woman crying (again) when her boss asked her to do her job.
Female manager repeatedly looking around the office and saying "You guys are being mean to me" x4 times daily.

Yep, the guy has a point.

Well, perhaps we could all start listing problems we have with our opposite gender colleagues. Or perhaps we can look at it rationally and accept that problems such as the ones you list are generally rare and are due to a minority of people and that most people, regardless of gender, turn up to work, do what has to be done with the minimum of fuss and drama, and pass the day with no incidents.

Buona Fortuna

Tim Hunt - bit of a ****

Maybe he should have been named Mike.

In another life I could have been a poet.

aphex™

kylith wrote: »

Well, perhaps we could all start listing problems we have with our opposite gender colleagues. Or perhaps we can look at it rationally and accept that problems such as the ones you list are generally rare and are due to a minority of people and that most people, regardless of gender, turn up to work, do what has to be done with the minimum of fuss and drama, and pass the day with no incidents.

Unfortunately, no.

I actually had to take them to the LRC after I made a complaint about a women and it was implied that I "should help them" to harass me because their boss was "being mean" to them.

So the issue can become institutionalised.

Incidentally, they hired a female solicitor at the LRC and that didn't work either.
Wiped the floor with them. :rolleyes:

goose2005

Menas wrote: »

I did like the comeback from some female scientists though...

I thought it was juvenile and cruel

Menas

goose2005 wrote: »

I thought it was juvenile and cruel

Why do you think it was juvenile and cruel?

fizzypish

There are no women in the labs I work in. Just nerdy men. I think a bit of soap opera drama might spice up the work environment a little. I don´t personally want to be involved, just about to witness and bask in the mayhem.
But.... lets me play devils advocate and try to interpret Mr Hunts comments. He´s a professor so he works with students. Some (maybe most) could be around the 22-24 mark and some will have never have worked in industry so maybe in his selective experience he has a point...... pfffttt ...sorry I couldn´t even type that with a straight face.

gramar

What he said wasn't sexist. It was just an observation. You can't say anything about a woman now and it's sexist. People who get all upset about this bull**** should fcuk off and die. imho.

QuinDixie

Tough on him losing his job, but he will be alright.
Another institution or corporation will snap him up. Great scientists write their own tickets.

[Deleted User]

Menas wrote: »

I am with Brian Cox on this, the reaction is disproportionate but the comment was stupid.

I did like the comeback from some female scientists though...

That is some incredibly sexy nose hair he has going on there. I think I'm falling in love.

gramar wrote: »

What he said wasn't sexist.

On which planet?

kneemos

On which planet?[/quote]

If he's stating what he's seen how could it be anything other than a statement of fact?

[Deleted User]

kneemos wrote: »

On which planet?

If he's stating what he's seen how could it be anything other than a statement of fact?

You're confusing personal opinion with fact there.

kneemos

Candie wrote: »

You're confusing personal opinion with fact there.

Not personal opinion.It happened,it's fact.

[Deleted User]

kneemos wrote: »

Not personal opinion.It happened,it's fact.

So even if every single woman he's ever worked with has falling in love with him, while crying, that means ALL women scientists do.

Gotcha. Didn't know that fact.

MathDebater

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Was watching question time on BBC last night and they discussed should Tim Hunt been let go from his position at the Royal Society and University College London after telling a conference it was difficult to work with "girls"

I watched it too. The panel and audience seemed more upset that a man said women cry than mothers taking their children to join ISIS. Old man says women cry in the workplace - 'I feel mortally offended.' Women taking their children off to join ISIS - crickets. We will park that one there. Don't mention the war.

The social media/social justice phenomenon is a very American import. They don't have real left wing politics and in its place you get this self-righteous mob concerned with whatever issue is topic du jour. As America is the dominant culture, it's started to slowly spread across the Atlantic.

fizzypish

Candie wrote: »

So even if every single woman he's ever worked with has falling in love with him, while crying, that means ALL women scientists do.

Gotcha. Didn't know that fact.

I once seen a scientist take a wazz in the street. All scientists sicken me.....