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Retr0gamer

Hmm let's see how a thread like this works.

Anyway for the first post I'd like to let people know that ATB podcast with its host Kat Bailey is back on 1up. The first episode might be Western RPG focused but the podcast is well worth a listen.

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Xenji

penev10 wrote: »

New NIER and Fire Emblem

2 nice surprises at E3 for me

FFVII remake can do one

New Star Ocean as well.

Xenji

This has me quite intrigued, Tokyo RPG Factory is a new studio within SE, no idea who is working on it yet though, but it is coming next year.

Sephiroth_dude

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/16/xenoblade-chronicles-x-has-a-release-date.aspx

Xenoblade is coming On December 4th

NoviGlitzko

Anyone have any idea when FF7 will be expecting to make a release? I'm so hyped for it, but at the same time worried because it's Enix.

Sephiroth_dude

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Anyone have any idea when FF7 will be expecting to make a release? I'm so hyped for it, but at the same time worried because it's Enix.

Its a long way off , the HD remaster is meant too come in the winter though I think.

Retr0gamer

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Anyone have any idea when FF7 will be expecting to make a release? I'm so hyped for it, but at the same time worried because it's Enix.

News flash, Enix are just a publisher with no development sutdios at all. All internal development is handled by the old Square. I'd be more worried that a hack like Nomura is in charge.

I've heard 2017 but I'd say it's more likely to be 2018 although going by Nomura's last development project it will never get made.

NoviGlitzko

I didn't mean the studios in general, but in the way that everything went into the toilet since the merge. FFX comes out and is one of the best games ever, and it was preceded by such games. FFXII comes out (albeit with great gameplay) with no story. Then there was the absolute abomination that was FFXIII - the worst game I've ever played.

I have my doubts. It's why I'm pessimistic about KH3 & FFXV. I'd like to add that I like a lot of Nomura's stuff, so I'm not so worried about that.

Retr0gamer

Well they also brought out Nier, Tactics Ogre, the World ends with You and the FFXIII sequels were good, in fact I'd go so far as to say 13-3 is fantastic. They even brought out Birth by Sleep, a KH game that bucked the trend by not being ****e. Plenty of other great games as well, the Dragon Quest games have been superb which is a pity the last 3 never made it to the westand 3rd Birthday was silly fun.

FF12 had well known development problems due to the lead leaving halfway through and FF13 wasn't great (also not as bad as other some say). Other than that their games have been great. Also after playing FFX again... it's alright. There's dozens of PS2 RPGs I'd take over it. Everyone likes to point the finger at Enix but it's utter nonsense, they've no hand in game development.

NoviGlitzko

A strange co-incidence then? There's plenty who share the same opinion as me. I'm talking exclusively about FF and it's offspring like KH. I'm not saying every game is ****. I regularly play FFXIV:ARR online and although the story is lacking again, the gameplay is stunning.

And FFXIII failed in every department a game can, apart from the graphics IMO, but I don't want to go off topic.

Retr0gamer

Well the way I see it KH has always been rubbish but some new talent, the same team that is responsible for FF15 now, managed to somehow make a good one with birth by sleep. Square Enix are doing a great job nurturing new talent and that team and the one that saved FF15 are two great examples of it. That's hardly a bad thing. Also you can't just look exclusively at FF and KH games since Square produce a lot more than that. In my eyes the only misstep was FF13.

I do know a lot of people say it's Enix that ruined Square but they are hardly ruined considering they're still mostly consistent in putting out high quality titles and the big fact that Enix has no real input into game design, merely handling publishing duties. Honestly the people that say that just see Square as a company that puts out FF games and ignored the 13 sequels and have no idea what the square/enix merge meant to their structure. It's basically Square had one bad game... it must be enix's fault because that happened years ago!

As for FFXIII, it has a good argument for best soundtrack of the series and that battle system is excellent. Pity the corridor design couldn't support it and it got boring since there was nothing else to do.

NoviGlitzko

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Also you can't just look exclusively at FF and KH games since Square produce a lot more than that. In my eyes the only misstep was FF13.

I don't play any of their other titles. Their flagship game is FF, and was talking about just it.

It's basically Square had one bad game... it must be enix's fault because that
happened years ago!

Maybe it's misplaced blame then. I don't know too much behind game development but the decline has been really bad since they merged. Like what happened? I read somewhere that after Enix joined that they fired a bunch of staff? It's like since then all the magic was gone. There hasn't been one story since X (played XII, XIII, XIII-2, FFXIV) that has gotten me fully involved. Pretty much all the ones before X did. Maybe I'm just getting older and I've lost interest possibly.

As for FFXIII, it has a good argument for best soundtrack of the series and that battle system is excellent. Pity the corridor design couldn't support it and it got boring since there was nothing else to do.

Can't remember anything about the soundtrack. The music died when Uematsu wasn't in charge of things. He's a genius. The battle system was non-existent. Also, I agree the linearity was the worst part.

This person's humorous review perfectly sums up how I felt about the game.

Retr0gamer

They definitely didn't fire a bunch of people. The problem with FF13 is surprisingly well documented for a japanese developed game. Basically Square had a big problem with staff getting poached so they specialised them so much that they weren't attractive for headhunting. However that created a lot of waste and their development structure was a mess. This was fine for PS2 development but once the HD era hit they weren't ready for it. By the time the code base was finished for FF13 they had a tonne of art assets (too many for one game) but no game so threw a game together around those art assets. The sequels were created to make use of all the unused art assets they had left over. Development was a complete shambles but they've restructured now to a more western approach to game development.

You should give the non FF games a go. Stuff like The world ends with you, tactics ogre etc. are far better than anything the FF franchise has done.

Disagree about the music. Uematsu is fantastic but I think the new composers square has now are far better, blasphemy I know. I'd actually go so far as to say the old stuff that square did without Uematsu, most of that was much better. Give me Hitoshi Sakimoto over him any day.

I loved the battle system for FF13 especially in boss battles when it got very tactical. It just took 20+ hours before you had all the systems in place for it to be fun... :rolleyes:

Sephiroth_dude

Ordered steins gate and SAO game from vgp and chose dhl for delivery , was hoping to have them this evening but there stuck in customs it seems :rolleyes:

Xenji

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Ordered steins gate and SAO game from vgp and chose dhl for delivery , was hoping to have them this evening but there stuck in customs it seems :rolleyes:

How long since it dispatched, it has not been an issue so far for me, they just say the usual that its novelty toys.

Sephiroth_dude

Xenji wrote: »

How long since it dispatched, it has not been an issue so far for me, they just say the usual that its novelty toys.

Wednesday, it got delayed because they were waiting for steins gate to come in.

Xenji

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Wednesday, it got delayed because they were waiting for steins gate to come in.

Hopefully they will arrive on Monday and are not in customs.

Lahinchians

Just picked up a vita. What should I look out for?

Xenji

Lahinchians wrote: »

Just picked up a vita. What should I look out for?

Persona 4
Freedom Wars
Demon Gaze
Disgaea 4
Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines
Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters
Operation Abyss: New Tokyo
Toukiden
Akiba's Trip
Atelier Rorona Plus: The Alchemist of Arland
Ys Memories of Celceta
Tale Of Heart R

Visual Novels :

Steins;Gate
Danganronpa 1&2
Virtue's Last Reward

Retr0gamer

Add Atelier Ayesha to that list as well. All the Atelier games are good but Rorona and Ayesha are the start of their trilogies.

NoviGlitzko

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I loved the battle system for FF13 especially in boss battles when it got very tactical. It just took 20+ hours before you had all the systems in place for it to be fun... :rolleyes:

Thanks for the info. I like Uematsu's work on title's like FFVIII & FFX much better than FFXIII.

Why couldn't it be fun from the beginning though? I gave up after chapter 8 iirc. I couldn't bring myself to play anymore.

Retr0gamer

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Thanks for the info. I like Uematsu's work on title's like FFVIII & FFX much better than FFXIII.

Why couldn't it be fun from the beginning though? I gave up after chapter 8 iirc. I couldn't bring myself to play anymore.

Basically the game part was where the least amount of work went

I think they were desperately trying to copy western trends at the time as well except they copied all the bad things. Endless incessant tutorials designed to baby the player so they wouldn't lose interest if they didn't understand and those codices like Bioware has in their games that was dreadful ways of delivering story to the player. To sum it up it was a mess of a production. Probably needed a year of two in the oven since the elements were there to make a fun game even if the story was bad, lets face it story was never a FF strong point). They just needed to get it out there after the protracted development.

Varik

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I do know a lot of people say it's Enix that ruined Square but they are hardly ruined considering they're still mostly consistent in putting out high quality titles and the big fact that Enix has no real input into game design, merely handling publishing duties. Honestly the people that say that just see Square as a company that puts out FF games and ignored the 13 sequels and have no idea what the square/enix merge meant to their structure. It's basically Square had one bad game... it must be enix's fault because that happened years ago!

Most think it's square that were the red headed step child in that duo.

NoviGlitzko

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Basically the game part was where the least amount of work went I think they were desperately trying to copy western trends at the time as well except they copied all the bad things. Endless incessant tutorials designed to baby the player so they wouldn't lose interest if they didn't understand and those codices like Bioware has in their games that was dreadful ways of delivering story to the player. To sum it up it was a mess of a production. Probably needed a year of two in the oven since the elements were there to make a fun game even if the story was bad, lets face it story was never a FF strong point). They just needed to get it out there after the protracted development.

That makes sense. What annoys me is some video game magazines/websites (Edge is the only one I can remember that gave it a mediocre score) gave it a very high score. Then when the publics reaction to the games were split on whether they liked the game, they brought down their aggregate scores and gave FFXIII-2 a poor score in fear of being embarrassed again, and we can agree that FFXIII-2 is a much superior game to FFXIII.

In SE's defence mind, I pre-ordered my copy of the Heavensward expansion for FFXIV:ARR and it's awesome so far. The gameplay of the dark knight tank is so much fun and rewarding. It gives me hope for the future. It's almost as if after 13, and the piss poor launch of the original FFXIV that they had went as low as the company could go.

Retr0gamer

They took a chance on a new guy to rescue FF14 and it's worked out beautifully for them, FF14 before that was becoming Squares biggest financial disaster, bigger than Spirits Within. It gives me hope for Square in the future and they are doing the same with FF15, taking that hack Nomura off the project (and on to the FF7 remake unfortunately) and giving it to Tabata, a newbie who has a proven track record creating and more importantly releasing games with fun real time battle systems like third birthday, crisis core and birth by sleep.

Sephiroth_dude

Why don't they fire that Nomura guy? If hes no good .

Retr0gamer

Well he's a good character designer when he lays off the belts and zippers!

He's pretty high up in Square at the moment, he's in charge of a few projects like those DC play arts figurine designs. He also had a big hand in creating Kingdom Hearts which next to FF is Square's biggest money spinner. Advent Children might have been a pile of absolute garbage but it made a lot of money. That got him a lot of kudos with the company and he's up near exec level now so it's hard to fire him. He's made them a lot of money but the stuff he has been in charge of has been mostly pandering to the anime otaku crowd than actually been any good. FFversus 13 though has been a massive blow to him though, no game in 9 years and it tied up the Kingdom Hearts team for that time meaning there were only spin offs (although it meant Tabata caught the higher ups attention). FF7 remake might be his last chance and and big step down in terms of projects for him. Still it's a clever choice, even if it's as god awful as Advent Children a lot of the fan base will lap it up and there are people that enjoy his cliche anime trope ridden stories.. the weridos.

Kirby

I enjoyed FF13. Its story was mostly silly, and the voice actors for Hope and Vanille made me want murder them.....but I enjoyed it nontheless. I quite liked the battle system.

Right Turn Clyde

Hi guys. I want to try some JRPGs but i don't know where to start. I have a PS3, PS4 and a 3DS. Any recommendations (bearing in mind this is uncharted territory for me)? I know I could look up 'top ten' lists online but I've grown very suspicious of a lot of those sites. I'd much prefer getting advice on forums like this. Cheers

penev10

Xenji wrote: »

Persona 4
Freedom Wars
Demon Gaze
Disgaea 4
Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines
Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters
Operation Abyss: New Tokyo
Toukiden
Akiba's Trip
Atelier Rorona Plus: The Alchemist of Arland
Ys Memories of Celceta
Tale Of Heart R

Visual Novels :

Steins;Gate
Danganronpa 1&2
Virtue's Last Reward

I'd add Natural Doctrine to that list

Retr0gamer

Persona 3 and 4 from the classics store on PSN are two of the best games ever. There's also Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne/Lucifers Call from the same series on that service as well. All 3 are amazing but you'd want to get them from the U.S. store because they suffer slowdown like most unoptimised PAL games. This goes for any PS1 RPGs you might want to pick up. Be warned these games can be quite challenging.

Another good series to try is the Atelier series, probably the best JRPGs this generation. Atelier Ayesha is probably the best to start with. It's a great game for newcomers.

On 3DS you have a much bigger selection. Shin Megami Tensei 4 is superb and the Etrian Odyssey games are excellent dungeon crawlers if you don't mind a challenge. Bravely Default is a good FF type game but the battle system gets dull after a while. Fire Emblem can't be beat when it comes to the strategy RPG genre. You also have the entire DS library at your fingertips which has some incredible RPGS like chrono trigger (do not get the PS1 version of this or ff4-6 they are terrible!)

There's plenty more I could name off but those are the best to start with.