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backs to the wall....

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So rugby player cian healy posted a tweet saying he was heading to a gay pride concert with the hashtag #backstothewall, cue accusations of insensitive "dark ages" homophobia and counter arguments of the PC brigade out in force. So what of it, really that big of a deal or a harmless joke? I'd be giving him the benefit of the doubt seeing as he apparently supported the YES vote, and dismiss it as a bit of off colour humour, not to everyones taste. I personally smiled at it.

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SpaceTime

topper75 wrote: »

Ireland used to be disparagingly referred to as "priest-ridden".

Some think they have gone away. But, in actual fact, they have simply been replaced by a new set of moralisers - the Holy Joes of the liberal left with their 'politically correct' language expectations.

A plague on both their houses.

Political correctness would be getting offended by being called Mrs instead of Ms or referring to someone as Fat instead of horizontally challenged etc etc

What he said isn't politically incorrect, it's just homophobic in the sense that it's a stereotype that directly promotes a fear of gay men.

That's why it's going to offend a lot of people.

Now they'll all be complaining about Twitter being nasty. Shout something like that into a space, you'll get shouts back - deal with it or don't tweet stuff like that!

Richard Hillman

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He's actually a well spoken educated young man. Try and have a sense of humour, it's a joke not actual sentiment. He wouldn't have been going to a Gay Pride concert in the first place if he was a raging homophobe.

And he was probably there with a gay friend

topper75

gramar wrote: »

Despite the vow of celibacy plenty were priest ridden in Ireland.

Aye, so why are we now tolerating a second tyranny of hypocrisy - being instructed on how not to judge by those who so readily do themselves?

gramar

Richard Hillman wrote: »

And he was probably there with a gay friend

He complained about the price of drink there too. Said he was getting ridden.

K4t

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He's actually a well spoken educated young man. Try and have a sense of humour, it's a joke not actual sentiment. He wouldn't have been going to a Gay Pride concert in the first place if he was a raging homophobe.

Nobody is accusing him of being a raging homophobe, but rather of being a bit stupid - of which there are many educated people.

Rough Sleeper

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He's actually a well spoken educated young man. Try and have a sense of humour, it's a joke not actual sentiment. He wouldn't have been going to a Gay Pride concert in the first place if he was a raging homophobe.

By well educated do you mean he went to Belvedere? I have friends who went to school with him. Apparently he's a dead sound lad and doesn't live up to the rugger bugger stereotype at all, but in terms of intellectual ability he isn't exactly in the deep end of the gene pool.

darkpagandeath

Pretty sick of the SJW generation trying to outrage each other or find outrage. Same kind of thing happened when man achieved a milestone in human history landing a man made object on a comet, But no look at that man's shirt. People need to look in the mirror and take stock of their lives. Sick of people thinking a small comment entitles them to spit bile in the name of political correctness.

Change man To human if it bothers you.

K4t

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pretty sick of the SJW generation trying to outrage each other or find outrage. Same kind of thing happened when man achieved a milestone in human history landing a man made object on a comet, But no look at that man's shirt. People need to look in the mirror and take stock of their lives. Sick of people thinking a small comet entitles them to spit bile in the name of political correctness.

And I think I speak for everyone when I say people applying the term SJW to every single story and event is growing extremely tiresome, and makes the term entirely redundant. Calling someone out on their stupidity is not necessarily SJW behaviour - when you express your opinion on social media or in real life, you cannot expect it to be immune from being criticized, challenged and often times ridiculed. Sometimes those who offered the opinion will be wrong and the person calling them out will be right - and vice versa - and sometimes both will be wrong and both will be right.

darkpagandeath

K4t wrote: »

And I think I speak for everyone when I say people applying the term SJW to every single story and event is growing extremely tiresome, and makes the term entirely redundant. Calling someone out on their stupidity is not necessarily, or always, SJW behaviour - when you express your opinion on social media or in real life, you cannot expect it to be immune from being criticized, challenged and often times ridiculed. Sometimes those who offered the opinion will be wrong and the person calling them out will be right - and vice versa - and sometimes both will be wrong and both will be right.

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

[Deleted User]

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Same kind of thing happened when man achieved a milestone in human history landing a man made object on a comet, But no look at that man's shirt.

The shirt was ridiculous though.

I mean, most people have the ability to show some sense of decorum during important events. I thought the overriding reaction when this fellow came lumbering along in that tacky shirt was laughter rather than outrage.

SpaceTime

K4t wrote: »

Nobody is accusing him of being a raging homophobe, but rather of being a bit stupid - of which there are many educated people.

It's grossly miscalculated at best.

Remember the IT Crowd episode where Jen decided to be "funny" on Twitter, it gets taken out of context and suddenly goes viral to the point she's on the news

You don't get much context in 140 characters and your tone of voice or "sense of humour" doesn't come across.

Its also why people hire savvy PR consultants for social media

Remember that time Susan Boyle used #susan album party (add it together yourself) to launch an her new CD?!?

Twitter can be "dangerous"

RayM

AdamD wrote: »

Always good to see somebody giving out about bigotry with their own bigot comment.

I don't understand why you think my comment was bigoted. Is he, or is he not, a privately educated rugby player? Is it unreasonable to expect that someone who benefited from an expensive education might have a more sophisticated sense of humour than "backs to the wall, lads"?

[Deleted User]

As far as jokes go, it isn't funny. As far as tweeting it goes, it's not clever.

He's probably much more guilty of being a dozy eejit than he is of being a bigot, we all say stupid things we don't even mean sometimes. Most of us don't tweet them though.

jimgoose

Rugby Player Makes Starfish Trooper Joke. European Parliament Suspended!

:):)

jimgoose

RayM wrote: »

I don't understand why you think my comment was bigoted. Is he, or is he not, a privately educated rugby player? Is it unreasonable to expect that someone who benefited from an expensive education might have a more sophisticated sense of humour than "backs to the wall, lads"?

Have you ever met any privately-educated rugby-players??

SpaceTime

RayM wrote: »

I don't understand why you think my comment was bigoted. Is he, or is he not, a privately educated rugby player? Is it unreasonable to expect that someone who benefited from an expensive education might have a more sophisticated sense of humour than "backs to the wall, lads"?

What's private education got to do with anything?!!?!

It doesn't automatically make one sophisticated! It just means that your parents had enough money or you were in on a rugby scholarship (yes such things exist).

I went to private schools here and I wouldn't say sophisticated is a word I'd use to describe them. They're just mostly a bit stuffy and full of their own self importance.

Public_Enema

Guy is going to a Gay pride concert. He clearly mustn't be homophobic. He makes a throwaway comment as most of us often do. Most of us, apart from the PC brigade of course, who never put a foot wrong. It's knicker twisting nonsense like this which ruins social media

jimgoose

SpaceTime wrote: »

What's private education got to do with anything?!!?!

It doesn't automatically make one sophisticated! It just means that your parents had enough money or you were in on a rugby scholarship (yes such things exist).

I went to private schools here and I wouldn't say sophisticated is a word I'd use to describe them. They're just mostly a bit stuffy and full of their own self importance.

Fr. Fehily didn't pick you as one of the Ubermenschen then? Ah ballix, me neither!

Paramite Pie

I'm sure the comment was funny at the time. Unfortunately when you immortalize a comment like that on social media it can come back against you.

suicide_circus

Good to see the social justice gestapo cracking down on the important stuff

efb

Us gays always have a strong urge to rape ugly straight men apparently...

Stupid comment

frostyjacks

Public_Enema wrote: »

Guy is going to a Gay pride concert. He clearly mustn't be homophobic. He makes a throwaway comment as most of us often do. Most of us, apart from the PC brigade of course, who never put a foot wrong. It's knicker twisting nonsense like this which ruins social media

It reminds me of the Justine Sacco case:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/22/pr-exec-fired-racist-tweet-aids-africa-apology

Ordinary Joe Soap tweets something silly, people search it out to be deliberately offended and look to throw her under a bus.

Unless someone says something that constitutes hate speech, it should be left alone for what it is; a throwaway remark, said in jest.

jimgoose

efb wrote: »

Us gays always have a strong urge to rape ugly straight men apparently...

Stupid comment

Ooh my, a Gennelman-Calluh!!

SpaceTime

jimgoose wrote: »

Fr. Fehily didn't pick you as one of the Ubermenschen then? Ah ballix, me neither!

Nah! They completely failed in their attempts to turn me into a rugger-banker type.

Specialun

Is ireland really gone this pc or does boards just get them?

jimgoose

SpaceTime wrote: »

Nah! They completely failed in their attempts to turn me into a rugger-banker type.

Me three. I'm more your provincial hurling full-back type.

jobbridge4life

I don't imagine that Cian Healy is homophobic. His support during the marriage equality campaign, his attendance at a pride function etc would certainly indicate that he isn't. That said the alledged 'joke' is predicated upon a stereotype of gay men as insatiable, promiscuous rapists. It might have been funny amongst a group of spotty bullies sprouting their first pubic hair a couple of decades ago but lets dispense with the notion that a statement that in essence amounts to 'straight man hanging around gay men = straight man getting ass raped' is anything but pathetic drivel. Its funny in the same way 'irish = drunk' or 'jew = tight' are, that is to say not at all.

For the blowhards moaning vomiting up the same tripe about PC gone mad, and SJW honestly give at a rest. Healy isn't a comedian or a social commentator he is a rugby player. What kind of a world would it be if straight men didn't get to joke about gay men being rapists. Perish the thought.

jimgoose

jobbridge4life wrote: »

...a group of spotty bullies sprouting their first pubic hair a couple of decades ago
...

Unbelievable. It's like, you... know me!!

SpaceTime

Best to leave those comments to Eric Cartman who we are supposed to be laughing *at* not with!
He wasn't ever meant to be a role model!! It seems to have backfired horribly though.

K4t

frostyjacks wrote: »

Unless someone says something that constitutes hate speech, it should be left alone for what it is; a throwaway remark, said in jest.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Good to see the social justice gestapo cracking down on the important stuff

One post as ridiculous as the other.