Pinch Flat wrote: » Any links to back that up? I've seen no cyclist here condoning red light breaking - perhaps suggestions on implementing the Idaho stop, or turning left or right on red. On one more than one accession however - as recently as a few posts ago - motorists justified breaking red lights - short sequence being the excuse. Weathervane fear of rear ending also a justification
_Kaiser_ wrote: » The video in question shows a lot of cars that were halfway across the junction when the light turned yellow/red (and yes it is a very short sequence IMO for a wide busy junction like that).
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Also, the same video has been selectively edited by whoever it was that is mumbling reg numbers to himself. For all we know he cut out dozens of cyclists flying through the same red lights too - in fact the very first clip (4 seconds in) shows a cyclist doing exactly that! (and again at 1:51, 4:13 and 4:30). The cyclist at 2:02 is well out across the line as well.
Pinch Flat wrote: » Anyway for balance, here's some of his other videos os and (shock :eek:) cyclists breaking reds (which he kindly counts for us).
MadDog76 wrote: » Yes, I have asked 3 Gardai at separate occasions ....... they all answered a variation of "No way of catching them as they weave ahead of you in traffic and no way of identifying them to send out a penalty notice" ......... cyclists need to be registered in some way with the State so that they can be held accountable for their actions on our roads ....... just like motorists.
rubadub wrote: » I have gotten waves from gardai in cars as I illegally mounted a totally empty and very large footpath on a busy stretch of road for my own safety and to aid the flow of traffic. I also frequently illegally cross the road near my house rather than use the pedestrian lights provided. This is to aid the flow of traffic rather than hold up the traffic which is not anywhere near me at my time of crossing.
Pinch Flat wrote: » ...Anyway, the Gardai have reacted to this, per the link below. BTW, anyone that thinks a cyclist can escape from a motor bike cop has a very high opinion of how fast they can travel...
pmasterson95 wrote: » Its funny how cyclists can cut red lights then scream about motorists nearly hitting them. If they did not cut the light they prob wouldnt be in danger, but its totally the motorists fault.
smash wrote: » Are the cyclists identifiable?
smash wrote: » Do they have a reg number which is published that inadvertently labels the owner as some sort of criminal? People buy and sell cars all the time. To publish the car registration details like this, it DOES label the owner as a law breaker but for all that guy knows the car could have changed hands twice since filming which means that now the new owner is labelled as a law breaker.
StewartGriffin wrote: » Another thing, has anyone ever heard of a Bike Bomb? No, it's always a CAR bomb. 100 years of terrorism can't be wrong.
StewartGriffin wrote: » Another thing, has anyone ever heard of a Bike Bomb? No, it's always a CAR bomb. 100 years of terrorism can't be wrong. Cyclists should be allowed behave however they want. Because Car drivers are worse. :cool: EDIT, oh, and just in case RainyDayMan is about:;););););););)
Pinch Flat wrote: » A cyclist is required to give his details to a Garda upon committing an offence. This is the current legislation.
Pinch Flat wrote: » Perhaps take this directly with the guy who's filing and putting the videos up in the public realm? as far as I know he's committing no offence by doing so.
ThisRegard wrote: » Ha. However even the IRA have used bike bombs in the past, and it happens in many of those dodgy middle east places.
Pinch Flat wrote: » Totally off topic, but their use is well documented.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_bomb Breaking lights and bombing palaver? What next?:rolleyes:
Dr Crippen wrote: » In fairness cyclists really should sit a theory test like any other form of vehicle, any sort of theory course or a theory class would help all concerned.
smash wrote: » That's got nothing to do with them or their bike being clearly identifiable from a video posted on-line.
Pinch Flat wrote: » Well, we've situations outlined by other posters where they've sent video / photographic evidence from dash cams identifying vehicles committing offences. Have done it myself for persistent bike lane infringements. The Gardai are reluctant to follow up. So, if all cyclists carry a large registration plate, so you think this follow up will be different for cyclists?
smash wrote: » It's not to do with the follow up by the Gardai, it's to do with the public humiliation.
MadDog76 wrote: » Classy??? About as classy as actually naming real-life people (who's families may be reading your posts) who have tragically lost their lives on our roads in a vile attempt to justify your argument ......... disgusting.
MadDog76 wrote: » I reported 3 drivers in the last 8 months and another one was pulled over by an unmarked Garda car that was driving behind me ........ haven't been able to report any cyclists as yet because I have no way of identifying them.
smash wrote: » It is certainly not lack of giving a toss. People don't want to injure or kill others, or themselves, or have their cars smashed or their insurance to rise.
smash wrote: » The thread is about the 5%
smash wrote: » Victim blaming? Where's the fcuking victim in that video? The guy recording is an asshole. He sees cars approaching and he walks in front of them! Someone breaks the lights so it's ok to walk in front of them and almost cause a serious accident?
smash wrote: » I've never appeared in one. I just have a strong opinion about these kinds of videos. They're sad and pathetic and the people recording usually have serious attitude problems.
smash wrote: » Well I haven't come across a motorist sad enough to get home and trawl through footage to upload it to YouTube just so they can pat themselves on the back for showing cyclists breaking the law. I guess they just have a life... Then again if cyclists could be identified I'm sure you'd see the videos flooding in.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » We have no idea how many cyclists - particularly new cyclists taking advantage of the Bike to Work or Dublin Bikes schemes - have done any sort of formal training with regards to the rules of the road or indeed the differences between being on the road in a car, or a push bike weaving between traffic. Given that there's currently no legal requirement to do such a test, hold a license/certificate of competency, or have insurance for cyclists I'd say there are a significant portion out there who bought a bike and off they went.. maybe with some half-remembered lessons from their childhood. As I said, this isn't a cyclists vs motorists issue.. it's about competence, training and most of all safety for all road users and ensuring that everyone (motorists, peds and cyclists alike) obey the rules - and yes absolutely should those who don't be fined or prosecuted if caught. Many of the behaviours most complained about (from both sides) are because the chance of spotting a Garda doing more than tax disc checks or "speeding" detections on our roads are slim. Still, now that they've introduced a red light camera in Dublin that should address many of the problems on the junction in question, and citywide if that scheme is expanded. In short, ye can't have it both ways... if you expect to be able to use the roads as equals and be respected by motorists, then cyclists must absolutely demonstrate a competence to be there, and be covered by insurance should an incident occur (to protect themselves and others/other people's property). And just as how motorists face penalties if they break the laws, so too should cyclists face similar sanctions if they do the same.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » We have no idea how many cyclists - particularly new cyclists taking advantage of the Bike to Work or Dublin Bikes schemes - have done any sort of formal training with regards to the rules of the road or indeed the differences between being on the road in a car, or a push bike weaving between traffic. Given that there's currently no legal requirement to do such a test, hold a license/certificate of competency, or have insurance for cyclists I'd say there are a significant portion out there who bought a bike and off they went.. maybe with some half-remembered lessons from their childhood.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » As I said, this isn't a cyclists vs motorists issue.. it's about competence, training and most of all safety for all road users and ensuring that everyone (motorists, peds and cyclists alike) obey the rules - and yes absolutely should those who don't be fined or prosecuted if caught. Many of the behaviours most complained about (from both sides) are because the chance of spotting a Garda doing more than tax disc checks or "speeding" detections on our roads are slim. Still, now that they've introduced a red light camera in Dublin that should address many of the problems on the junction in question, and citywide if that scheme is expanded.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » In short, ye can't have it both ways... if you expect to be able to use the roads as equals and be respected by motorists, then cyclists must absolutely demonstrate a competence to be there, and be covered by insurance should an incident occur (to protect themselves and others/other people's property). And just as how motorists face penalties if they break the laws, so too should cyclists face similar sanctions if they do the same.
smash wrote: » Most cyclists are motorists too so they would have done a test. I think a change in attitude and a bit more law enforcement is needed most.
smash wrote: » Are the cyclists identifiable? Do they have a reg number which is published that inadvertently labels the owner as some sort of criminal? People buy and sell cars all the time. To publish the car registration details like this, it DOES label the owner as a law breaker but for all that guy knows the car could have changed hands twice since filming which means that now the new owner is labelled as a law breaker.
RainyDay wrote: » The flood has started;http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95468311&postcount=81
Pinch Flat wrote: » Ah ok. Maybe consider bringing back the stocks then. Motorists could being a range of things to throw at the errant cyclist - rotten eggs, a few cabbages. Could be quite the spectacle.
Dr Crippen wrote: » I think some sort of course on city cycling would help, you only have to stand at the lights on westmoreland street, just outside trinity to observe cyclists riding on through the red light there. I see it every day without fail. Another point would be cyclist's weaving in and out of traffic along the north side quays which although is time saving and brave by them but essentially dangerous. I cycle myself every day and see as many incidents by cyclists as car drivers but ultimately the person in the car is less likely to be killed in those instances
smash wrote: » This is it, the theory test is all about motorists so cyclists who are motorists still don't learn much about safety when cycling.
smash wrote: » My comment was in relation to why cyclists feel the need to upload these videos, not in relation to what motorists want to do.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » I must have missed the meeting of all cyclists of Ireland were we agreed to upload these videos. So obviously having missed that meeting were we agreed our collective mind, I dont know why Cyclists feel the need to upload these videos.
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