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So UTV Ireland is launching on January 01, 2015 with a proper launch of its schedule on January 5.... It's now November 10 and no advertising online, in magazine, newspapers, billboards etc for programmes and launch.

No news on whether it will be on Saorview... probably one of the worst channel launches in history?

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Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Not even close to 98%

grand if you are in the country , apart from a few valleys

People who live in apartments or flats may not get saorview.

If residents of blocks of flats can't get Saorview then they'll probably have cable or Sky.

icdg

Look, I think we should call a halt to this argument. It's a bit like arguing that black is white to be honest, and it's not really much to do with UTV Ireland at all

lertsnim

Sam Russell wrote: »

So how can UTV or UTVi be not FTA.

On satellite it is not which is the point that was made.

Capt'n Midnight

Sam Russell wrote: »

UTVi is transmitted on Saorview which is also FTA and can be received by well over 98% of the population using a rooftop aerial and a suitable receiver.

Not even close to 98%

grand if you are in the country , apart from a few valleys

People who live in apartments or flats may not get saorview.

Sam Russell

Nearly all of UK TV can be received FTA in the republic using Freesat or Freeview. Using Freesat, one can choose the favourite version/locality. Freeview is the whole bouquet if one can get the main transmitter, otherwise a few channels are missed.

This means that UTV and any ITV channel can be received FTA. UTVi is transmitted on Saorview which is also FTA and can be received by well over 98% of the population using a rooftop aerial and a suitable receiver.

So how can UTV or UTVi be not FTA.

Now when it comes to HD .......

Capt'n Midnight

lgs 4 wrote: »

Technology Total households Relative households
Satellite 17,779,000 46.1%
Cable (digital) 11,229,000 29.1%
Cable (analogue) 6,630,000 9.9%
DVB-T 3,865,000 10.0%
DSL-TV 1,899,000 4.9%
All 38,557,000 100%
The breakdown of tv viewing habits in germany in 2014 if all the other national broadcasters here used the Saorsat platfrom the take up would be better

A much better example would have been Austria where the state channel ORF is the dominant home grown channel but most people watch TV from Germany too.
Some 92 percent of all households received their television signal by cable or satellite by the end of 2008,

Elmo

In response to @lertsnim but in fairness you were talking about satellite.

Sam Russell wrote: »

But UTVi is FTA.

L1011 wrote: »

Its not.

The problem with UTV Ireland is its not UTV Proper, its not a full ITV network channel, and its only 50% of a UTV network. People expected it to be a UTV copy largely speaking. It is but its missed out on much of the ITV programmes it has rights to e.g. classic ITV shows as pointed out before on this thread.

Sam Russell

L1011 wrote: »

Its not.

Well I can get it and I only have Saorview and Freesat. So it must be FTA.

dublinman1990

iseegirls wrote: »

Graham Norton and The Chase is only on 3e, while Takeaway is 7 episodes long. It doesn't affect much of TV3s primetime.

The Graham Norton Show on 3e is only for the repeat rights. The new episodes for the ROI are shown on UTV Ireland from the 1st of January this year.

icdg

So anyway, that UTV Ireland.....

lertsnim

Elmo wrote: »

Is saorview FTA?
Because it's not as ubiquitous as Astra.

Saorview is FTA and well you know it is. What has Saorview got to do with Astra 2? Someone stated that UTV Ireland is not FTA on satellite and you come along saying it depends on how you perceive the term FTA.

Saorview is FTA as is Saorsat. Can you please tell me how someone might think Saorsat is not a FTA service?

Elmo

lertsnim wrote: »

It's quite clear and there is no need to complicate the term. UTV Ireland is not FTA on satellite in standard definition or high definition. A Sky subscription is required to view the channel via satellite.

How would anyone question that?

Is saorview FTA?
Because it's not as ubiquitous as Astra.

lertsnim

Elmo wrote: »

It depends on how you view the term IMO any terrestrial channel carried in the clear is FTA, others only prescribe the term to channels carrier on satellite in the clear, though this would mean TV3, 3e and UTVi to be non-FTA channels.

It's quite clear and there is no need to complicate the term. UTV Ireland is not FTA on satellite in standard definition or high definition. A Sky subscription is required to view the channel via satellite.

Elmo wrote: »

And many may question Saorsat as FTA

How would anyone question that?

lgs 4

Elmo wrote: »

It depends on how you view the term IMO any terrestrial channel carried in the clear is FTA, others only prescribe the term to channels carrier on satellite in the clear, though this would mean TV3, 3e and UTVi to be non-FTA channels.

TV3 +1, TG4HD and UTVi HD are all pay channels
And many may question Saorsat as FTA

Technology Total households Relative households
Satellite 17,779,000 46.1%
Cable (digital) 11,229,000 29.1%
Cable (analogue) 6,630,000 9.9%
DVB-T 3,865,000 10.0%
DSL-TV 1,899,000 4.9%
All 38,557,000 100%
The breakdown of tv viewing habits in germany in 2014 if all the other national broadcasters here used the Saorsat platfrom the take up would be better

Elmo

L1011 wrote: »

Its not.

It depends on how you view the term IMO any terrestrial channel carried in the clear is FTA, others only prescribe the term to channels carrier on satellite in the clear, though this would mean TV3, 3e and UTVi to be non-FTA channels.

TV3 +1, TG4HD and UTVi HD are all pay channels
And many may question Saorsat as FTA

icdg

They would lose massive viewership by not being on UPC. Most UPC viewers - in Dublin in particular - don't own an aerial. You have to remember that cable in Dublin ("the pipe" as we used to refer to it!) began partially as a response to the "forest of aerials" in 1960s Dublin. It was so successful that houses in Dublin with rooftop aerials are like gold dust.

lgs 4

As national broadcasters, Saorview views should be the main focus, that goes for the all national broadcasters TG4 and TV3 for their HD services to free and not piggy backing on sky or UPC

L1011

Sam Russell wrote: »

But UTVi is FTA.

Its not.

Sam Russell

lertsnim wrote: »

But a lot of what UTV Ireland show is available FTA on ITV.

But UTVi is FTA.

icdg

Infoanon wrote: »

How many viewers does UTVi lose when the same programming is freely available in HD on Sky through other channels?

You'd surely be looking there at the subset of Sky viewers who have HD boxes but don't take the HD pack, since UTV Ireland is in HD on Sky.

lertsnim

Puddle Q wrote: »

I would prefer they go broke.

You'll be waiting a while.

Sam Russell wrote: »

Nothing is freely available on Sky unless it is FTA.

But a lot of what UTV Ireland show is available FTA on ITV.

Sam Russell

Infoanon wrote: »

How many viewers does UTVi lose when the same programming is freely available in HD on Sky through other channels?

Nothing is freely available on Sky unless it is FTA.

Infoanon

How many viewers does UTVi lose when the same programming is freely available in HD on Sky through other channels?

lgs 4

Sam Russell wrote: »

I do not watch UTVi at all - not because I wont, I just never think of it. They must get some 'must see' programmes, and I doubt they will attract much of an audience until they do.

Whether it is in sh....y SD or HD makes no difference if the progamme is sh...y. It is content that will drive the channel.

i agree

Sam Russell

lgs 4 wrote: »

Why the hell is UTV Ireland sticking us on Saorview with sh....y SD service that money grabbing Sky have the HD Service

I do not watch UTVi at all - not because I wont, I just never think of it. They must get some 'must see' programmes, and I doubt they will attract much of an audience until they do.

Whether it is in sh....y SD or HD makes no difference if the progamme is sh...y. It is content that will drive the channel.

greendom

lgs 4 wrote: »

Why the hell is UTV Ireland sticking us on Saorview with sh....y SD service that money grabbing Sky have the HD Service

I think you've answered your own question

lgs 4

Why the hell is UTV Ireland sticking us on Saorview with sh....y SD service that money grabbing Sky have the HD Service

iseegirls

irishfeen wrote: »

No The Graham Norton Show, Saturday Night Takeaway, The Chase etc.

All TV3 will be left with (secure until 2016) of any major value will be

UK/US X Factor
Britain’s Got Talent
Family Fortunes
Take Me Out
Downton Abbey
I'm a Celebrity

.. few of them even scraping the barrel.

Graham Norton and The Chase is only on 3e, while Takeaway is 7 episodes long. It doesn't affect much of TV3s primetime.

irishfeen

ziggyman17 wrote: »

Tv3 have exclusive World Cup Rugby, Champions League on Tuesdays next season, both will bring in big viewing figures... With Sky and no ITV showing of Champions league next season, Alot of people will stick to TV3 instead of getting BT for the football... The original point still stands that we did not need another Irish station, UTV Ireland offer nothing new or different than we already had... Ulster Tv offered a much better choice than UTV Ireland can ever hope to do...

The RWC will last from 18 September – 31 October so in the grand scheme of TV3 its not going to make them or break them - I do agree that their CL will receive a boost and I have already said it was a big mistake that UTV did not win Tue and Wen night games.

... from my pov I think there is plenty of room for three main Irish broadcasters.

ziggyman17

irishfeen wrote: »

But TV3 basically did the exact same thing over the last 8-10 years... as I showed before TV3 have gone from an 11% share to 7% almost overnight with the loss of the soaps ... apart from the soaps they had almost nothing either.

The loss of archive ITV stuff will also chip away at this 7% figure...

Tv3 have exclusive World Cup Rugby, Champions League on Tuesdays next season, both will bring in big viewing figures... With Sky and no ITV showing of Champions league next season, Alot of people will stick to TV3 instead of getting BT for the football... The original point still stands that we did not need another Irish station, UTV Ireland offer nothing new or different than we already had... Ulster Tv offered a much better choice than UTV Ireland can ever hope to do...