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Cyclists should do a theory test!

lickme

A lot of cyclists have no concept of the rules of the road and are getting more and more agressive. There acting like they have the right of way the whole time, weaving in and out of traffic, breaking red lights, not adhering and not looking for possible dangers ahead. Stricter and harsher penalties are needed for them. A piece of advice playing chicken with cars will not work well in the long run for ye. Should be made do some sort of simulation test or something. They are some decent cyclists but most are idiots.

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Spook_ie

ThisRegard wrote: »

Your tune has certainly changed.

What, if the powers that be close of a city center then they close it, like when there's a serious traffic incident and they close a road, I'll just make more money and the customers will be the ones that are discommoded.

ThisRegard

Your tune has certainly changed.

Spook_ie

ThisRegard wrote: »

But of course it will, it'll give you a hernia to know that there's pedestrians and cyclists out there enjoying increased space on the city centre roads without them first bringing in foot tax or cycle tax to give them the right to that road space.

Oh I don't know, the extra money taking passengers on a longer route will help salve that I'm sure

Grandpa Hassan

Great timing of the article. It's almost like someone has been reading this thread!

ThisRegard

Spook_ie wrote: »

Probably won't effect me that much

But of course it will, it'll give you a hernia to know that there's pedestrians and cyclists out there enjoying increased space on the city centre roads without them first bringing in foot tax or cycle tax to give them the right to that road space.

Spook_ie

RainyDay wrote: »

I was off this thread for a day or so, and came back invigorated, ready to point out the gaping chasms in the proposals of spook and others. But really, why bother my ass.

Cars are out, bikes are in.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/radical-plan-seeks-to-take-cars-out-of-dublin-city-centre-1.2244222

Anyone who knows anything about traffic management knows it is the way to go. Spook can keep trying to stop the tide coming in, but he is failing, and will continue to fail.

It's a pity that some people are so small-minded as to miss the essential point that it is in their direct interests to encourage cycling and reduce the number of cars on the road. Hopefully the penny will drop soon.

Probably won't effect me that much, as it will be the consumer travelling further to get to the same point who will pay, probably add €2-€5 onto your night out as taxis take the longer way around from O'Connell St. to CFJs. Of course you could always extend Dublin bikes hours so you could pick one up after 00.30

Grandpa Hassan

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/cars-and-taxis-face-being-banned-from-large-parts-of-dublin-city-centre-31292092.html

This is the key line: Congestion is again becoming a feature of daily life, but by 2023 as many as 234,000 people are expected to enter and leave the city centre during the morning and evening peaks every day– up 42,000 on today, or 20pc – meaning the city could grind to a halt unless car use is discouraged.

And by extension, cycle used encouraged

Knasher

RainyDay wrote: »

Cars are out, bikes are in.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/radical-plan-seeks-to-take-cars-out-of-dublin-city-centre-1.2244222

Doing something similar in the centre of Cork.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/car-ban-looms-for-st-patricks-street-as-corks-traffic-set-for-overhaul-322994.html

Grandpa Hassan

RainyDay wrote: »

I was off this thread for a day or so, and came back invigorated, ready to point out the gaping chasms in the proposals of spook and others. But really, why bother my ass.

Cars are out, bikes are in.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/radical-plan-seeks-to-take-cars-out-of-dublin-city-centre-1.2244222

Anyone who knows anything about traffic management knows it is the way to go. Spook can keep trying to stop the tide coming in, but he is failing, and will continue to fail.

It's a pity that some people are so small-minded as to miss the essential point that it is in their direct interests to encourage cycling and reduce the number of cars on the road. Hopefully the penny will drop soon.

It is great news. As has been pointed out many times earlier on this thread, it is only a matter of time before parts of the city become pedestrian, cycle and bus zones only. It is an inevitability.

I can hear the cries of the motorists, but it is little more than a rage against the dying of the light

RainyDay

I was off this thread for a day or so, and came back invigorated, ready to point out the gaping chasms in the proposals of spook and others. But really, why bother my ass.

Cars are out, bikes are in.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/radical-plan-seeks-to-take-cars-out-of-dublin-city-centre-1.2244222

Anyone who knows anything about traffic management knows it is the way to go. Spook can keep trying to stop the tide coming in, but he is failing, and will continue to fail.

It's a pity that some people are so small-minded as to miss the essential point that it is in their direct interests to encourage cycling and reduce the number of cars on the road. Hopefully the penny will drop soon.

Pinch Flat

Spook_ie wrote: »

When its even freer because you don't pay at all, let alone follow traffic regulations

Been driving since 1987 and cycling a lot longer than that. Have paid my taxes since I joined the workforce in 1991. Here's my statistics:

Penalty points - 0
Speeding fines - 0
Other traffic offences (dangerous driving, red light breaking, etc) - 0
Parking tickets - 0
Clamping - 0
Car accidents - 1 (Rear ended by truck)

So happy enough with how I'm going about things to date.

Qualitymark

The idea that motorists "pay for the roads" is laughable. Motorists pay a carbon tax to compensate for the fact that they're greedily using up the world's scarily finite supply of fossil fuel to haul themselves around - mostly just one person in a car weighing three tons or more.

Ranchu

CramCycle wrote: »

So could several road users in general but the practicalities of picking out who have too or retesting everyone are not here at the minute.

Maybe part of the upcoming FPNs could be a larger fine to cover a day of road safety training but this could apply to all road users. A fine is one thing, training in a mind numbing course about stuff most of them already knew, taking at least one full day out of your life and having to pay for it.

That's not a bad idea really.

If you've never had any training on the road you should really take the initiative and do it for your own safety though.

CramCycle

Ranchu wrote: »

I agree with the second part but I also think that some current cyclists could really do with some sort of basic training in how the roads work. The ones that also drive are less likely to be the three I just encountered at the bridge over the canal at Harold's cross who kept going after their light had gone red to allow a right turning filter coming in the other direction. Could have been three very sorry people.

So could several road users in general but the practicalities of picking out who have too or retesting everyone are not here at the minute.

Maybe part of the upcoming FPNs could be a larger fine to cover a day of road safety training but this could apply to all road users. A fine is one thing, training in a mind numbing course about stuff most of them already knew, taking at least one full day out of your life and having to pay for it.

furiousox

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Ranchu

CramCycle wrote: »

So that theory test,

IMO the idea of implementing it across the board fails on many levels, the cost of design, implementation, legal minefield of making it compulsory, negative effects to the economy, public health, traffic levels, all of which are well research din terms of comparatives to increased cycling levels and compared to accepted inhibitors to cycling levels.

My opinion is that education on road use for everyone through National School and Junior Cert level education is the only reasonable response if it is deemed necessary. While a slow introduction, this mentality is carried through to adult hood and improved behaviour should spread through familial and societal pressure over time. A slow burner but the most effective I think in the long run.

I agree with the second part but I also think that some current cyclists could really do with some sort of basic training in how the roads work. The ones that also drive are less likely to be the three I just encountered at the bridge over the canal at Harold's cross who kept going after their light had gone red to allow a right turning filter coming in the other direction. Could have been three very sorry people.

CramCycle

So that theory test,

IMO the idea of implementing it across the board fails on many levels, the cost of design, implementation, legal minefield of making it compulsory, negative effects to the economy, public health, traffic levels, all of which are well research din terms of comparatives to increased cycling levels and compared to accepted inhibitors to cycling levels.

My opinion is that education on road use for everyone through National School and Junior Cert level education is the only reasonable response if it is deemed necessary. While a slow introduction, this mentality is carried through to adult hood and improved behaviour should spread through familial and societal pressure over time. A slow burner but the most effective I think in the long run.

Spook_ie

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Unless you're a cyclist apparently :pac:

When its even freer because you don't pay at all, let alone follow traffic regulations

Pinch Flat

Spook_ie wrote: »

its a free country

Unless you're a cyclist apparently :pac:

Spook_ie

ThisRegard wrote: »

He was banned from another forum for similar nonsense, no point in engaging him anymore.

Feel free to ignore me, its a free country

Edit

In fact its that free that you could just stay over on the forum I'm banned from instead of being a pseudo stalker

ThisRegard

Pinch Flat wrote: »

This comment is hilarious, and I can only assume it's a wind up in jest.

He was banned from another forum for similar nonsense, no point in engaging him anymore.

Pinch Flat

Spook_ie wrote: »

Would be 100% better for the economy if you did give him a crossie, you really do not understand that commuting ( unless on public transport ) isn't particularly productive.

So I can commute the 14km from my house to my office in 35 minutes or so - I arrive at work refreshed and alert, haven done part of my days exercise. This 35 minutes is constant - summer, winter, kids off / on school, rain, hail or shine. Unless on the very rare occasion I have a problem or really bad weather (freezing roads) It's guaranteed. There's not a faster way for me to get from home to office.

Spook_ie wrote: »

this is just so revealing of your nature that you immediately drop down to commuting by car rather than commuting by public transport

I do travel by public transport - it's my second choice, as recently as Monday this week which I did recovering from a tough few days cycling. There is no way in gods earth I would drive to the city center. It's utterly miserable and completely undependable.

It just seems to be default fall back on boards 'tried cycling / bus / train but gave up, prefer the car'. Mea culpa.

Spook_ie

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Wait, we're expected to earn while we cycle to and from work? How does that work - maybe I'll give one of the neighbours a cross bar into town. Could be a nice little earner.

As opposed to costing the economy billions (1% of GDP) that traffic jams bring.http://www.itraffic.ie/MainProductsGov.html

So it's back in the car then to contribute to the economic effort I guess. ho hum.

Would be 100% better for the economy if you did give him a crossie, you really do not understand that commuting ( unless on public transport ) isn't particularly productive.

The billions cost to the economy would be slashed if everyone were to avail of public transport.

this

So it's back in the car then to contribute to the economic effort I guess. ho hum

is just so revealing of your nature that you immediately drop down to commuting by car rather than commuting by public transport

CramCycle

Spook_ie wrote: »

No it's perfectly serious, what actual contribution does the commuting side contribute, unlike the rickshaw lads who actually produce a contribution by their cycling efforts, your actual cycling efforts produce zilch, nada, nothing that couldn't be obtained by walking or visiting a gym. I'd ask the same question of anyone that doesn't use public transport

From personal experience, the days I cycle in, I am more productive, hit the ground running so to speak, haven't the knees for walking or running long distance although my brother in law does, covers a 18km round trip almost daily by running, runs his own company in town.

My cycling contributes me being out of traffic and not annoying other motorists, it makes me more productive at work therefore contributing to the economy, it is good for physical and mental health which in the long run means I should cost less than the current average person living in Dublin to the exchequer. Overall, my cycling probably benefits the economy a nice few euro a year. It certainly would be a lot less of a contribution from me if I used my car or PT most of the time.

Pinch Flat

Spook_ie wrote: »

No it's perfectly serious, what actual contribution does the commuting side contribute, unlike the rickshaw lads who actually produce a contribution by their cycling efforts, your actual cycling efforts produce zilch, nada, nothing that couldn't be obtained by walking or visiting a gym. I'd ask the same question of anyone that doesn't use public transport

Wait, we're expected to earn while we cycle to and from work? How does that work - maybe I'll give one of the neighbours a cross bar into town. Could be a nice little earner.

As opposed to costing the economy billions (1% of GDP) that traffic jams bring.http://www.itraffic.ie/MainProductsGov.html

So it's back in the car then to contribute to the economic effort I guess. ho hum.

Spook_ie

Boom_Bap wrote: »

You there -> stop back seat modding

Sorry for a moment there I thought I wee riding on a tandem

Spook_ie

Pinch Flat wrote: »

This comment is hilarious, and I can only assume it's a wind up in jest.

Of the 10,000 that cycle into Dublin city daily, http://irishcycle.com/2015/04/13/10000-people-on-bicycles-crossing-dublins-canals-in-morning-rush-hour/, I would suspect a lot of these are in gainful employment. A few students as well, but a huge proportion of people in jobs.

No it's perfectly serious, what actual contribution does the commuting side contribute, unlike the rickshaw lads who actually produce a contribution by their cycling efforts, your actual cycling efforts produce zilch, nada, nothing that couldn't be obtained by walking or visiting a gym. I'd ask the same question of anyone that doesn't use public transport

Boom_Bap

Spook_ie wrote: »

You lot from over on the cycling forum, see this title

boards.ie > Topics > Social & Fun > After Hours

Go and take it back where it belongs, talking about segregated facilities and that sort of thing

You there -> stop back seat modding

Pinch Flat

Spook_ie wrote: »

Reply to your edited bit, as a cyclist no you don't work therefore you have little contributory value to society as a whole, maybe you cycle to a job where you contribute to society such as a teacher, brain surgeon, road sweeper or whatever, I'd even give working in a bike shop as being contributory but the cycling bit it self, nah, definitely parasitic

This comment is hilarious, and I can only assume it's a wind up in jest.

Of the 10,000 that cycle into Dublin city daily, http://irishcycle.com/2015/04/13/10000-people-on-bicycles-crossing-dublins-canals-in-morning-rush-hour/, I would suspect a lot of these are in gainful employment. A few students as well, but a huge proportion of people in jobs.

Spook_ie

You lot from over on the cycling forum, see this title

boards.ie > Topics > Social & Fun > After Hours

Go and take it back where it belongs, talking about segregated facilities and that sort of thing