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Soccer Forum Feedback Thread 2015

GavRedKing

I'll be opening this properly on Monday for everyone to have their say and it will remain open for a week, hopefully we'll have some positive inputs and good ideas for changes etc.

As always, standard Feedback rules apply (which will be posted on Monday).

So anything thats good or bad that ye want to raise, make a note of it for Monday.

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K-9

Something like a red card will get discussed anyway on the superthread in the following day or 2. Discussinga near miss or a great save is for a match thread.

A super thread can be a safe retreat for home fan boys to get digs at opposition players or the ref, and they wont get pulled up on it there. I don't think that is something we should be encouraging.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

Never said anybody was looking to get rid of match threads!

More general stuff comes up in the big super threads, that's fine, but 2 discussions on the minutae of a match is a bit pointless.

We all know the usual trolls, there isn't that many of them. All the bigger clubs have to put up with some troll or another.

Anyway, the point is in a soccer board like ours we need to avoid diehard fans retreating to a safe haven because they can't take any criticism at all of their team. The trolls are just a convenient excuse so they can have their blinkered discussion on their own patch.

I'm just pointing one good readon for the rule existing, some don't seem to be able to see why the rule was introduced in the first place.

Everybody retreatibg to their home threads becomes the easy, same crowd thing to do, especially if your team is on a bad run and ripe for some slagging.

I disagree. I know of a few posters that would rather discuss games in the superthread and it has nothing to do with not being able to handle a bit of needling, they would just prefer discussion without having to filter out all the nonsense that goes with match threads.

bucketybuck

K-9 wrote: »

A super thread can be a safe retreat for home fan boys to get digs at opposition players or the ref, and they wont get pulled up on it there. I don't think that is something we should be encouraging.

If they break rules on abuse of players or the ref in the superthread then that should be dealt with in the exact same fashion as at any other point in time.

Your post comes across as saying "They might say something I don't like so I want them here where I can see them".

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

A super thread can be a safe retreat for home fan boys to get digs at opposition players or the ref, and they wont get pulled up on it there. I don't think that is something we should be encouraging.

This is nonsense.

In fact I would say you have a better chance of getting away with a dig at a rival player in a match thread than your own superthread.

K-9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I disagree. I know of a few posters that would rather discuss games in the superthread and it has nothing to do with not being able to handle a bit of needling, they would just prefer discussion without having to filter out all the nonsense that goes with match threads.

Again I never suggested otherwise.

That's the second time you infer things that are a bit extreme and nonsensical from my posts, it's a very poor way to discuss something.

Nobody suggested that good posters might prefer super threads or that anybody wants to get rid of match threads. It seems to me you like to take a point to an absurd level and debate that, a tad dishonest of a way to debate imo.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

Again I never suggested otherwise.

That's the second time you infer things that are a bit extreme and nonsensical from my posts, it's a very poor way to discuss something.

Nobody suggested that good posters might prefer super threads or that anybody wants to get rid of match threads. It seems to me you like to take a point to an absurd level and debate that, a tad dishonest of a way to debate imo.

Your first post

I think the main point is it is harder for outsiders to join in a match discussion on another teams super thread. Some use super threads to avoid any criticism or objective comment from rival fans on the match. Really, as with the humour thread, some posters need to grow a thicker skin.

You made it sound like they would have no choice but to post in the super thread, the match thread would still be there.

Your second post

The trolls are just a convenient excuse so they can have their blinkered discussion on their own patch.

I disagreed with that part and gave a reason why. What are you trying to prove here?

Blatter

Mickeroo wrote: »

I don't see a problem with the odd comment on a superthread, say if there's a big incident or people nip in at half time to give their thoughts on the first half or whatever

This is all what people want to be allowed do and it's exactly what was happening when the rule wasn't enforced.

This is why the rule is ridiculous and pointless.

K-9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Your first post

You made it sound like they would have no choice but to post in the super thread, the match thread would still be there.

Your second post

I disagreed with that part and gave a reason why. What are you trying to prove here?

I think dfx and mickeroo made my point for me as well. The point being its a soccer discussion board that welcomes all, with all that it entails. Match discussions on super threads goes against that and makes it harder to have an open discussion that welcomes all.

Match threads can be good fun and like with the humour thread some need to grow a thicker skin. It's easy enough to put the trolls on ignore or, you know, skim over their posts if what they post is a waste of time anyway.

bucketybuck

K-9 wrote: »

Match discussions on super threads goes against that and makes it harder to have an open discussion that welcomes all.

And what of the point that the match threads are terrible for having an actual discussion due to their fast moving low content nature?

And anyway, how does some posters having a discussion in a superthread stop other posters attempting a discussion in a match thread?

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

I think dfx and mickeroo made my point for me as well. The point being its a soccer discussion board that welcomes all, with all that it entails. Match discussions on super threads goes against that and makes it harder to have an open discussion that welcomes all.

Match threads can be good fun and like with the humour thread some need to grow a thicker skin. It's easy enough to put the trolls on ignore or, you know, skim over their posts if what they post is a waste of time anyway.

That's all well and good but show me how I have been dishonest in my replies to you. I'd like you to take that back because it's bullsh*t.

[Deleted User]

Actually thought of something else that's gotten very annoying. Whenever there's one or two posts in a thread that's not explicitly about United or Liverpool that pertain to those 2 teams there's always someone with a "oh a United-Liverpool discussion, great." Seems to me like backseat moderation that goes unpunished and sometimes derails good points being made. Most people on the forum will have more information/examples from those 2 teams in a general discussionso they're going to come up, if it gets too off-topic the mods will say it, there shouldn't be some snarky remark made about it by some self proclaimed neutral.

K-9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

That's all well and good but show me how I have been dishonest in my replies to you. I'd like you to take that back because it's bullsh*t.

Its just a bugbear of mine, taking a point made and bringing it to an extreme. End up discussing sonething else all together. Doesn't usually matter much but on a feedback thread an annoyance as the initial point gets missed. Maybe that's just your style of making points, if that's the case, fair enough, apologies for coming over a bit strong.

I don't think you see anything wrong with in match discussions on super threads, I do and I think there are a couple of good reasons, contrary to what some were saying.

duffman13

dfx- wrote: »

For me it's the principle of a mixed fan forum. That you mix and read a variety of opinions. Some even that you might not like.

It's not a big deal, but I thought I would explain my point of view where I issue notes.

Your spot on in that I like engaging with posters from other clubs however match threads often never foster any kind of discussion. For example as a United fan I might be a bit fluffed with the way we are lining up in a match with players appearing to play out of position. I make that point but it will inevitably get swallowed up but ridiculous one or two word posts which add zero to the conversation.

The same comment on the superthread more than likely fosters a somewhat intelligent conversation/debate. I think a slight relaxing on the rules in superthreads is needed.

Also its kind of strange that some posters seem to think they can post in a superthread about the game while a game is on. Anytime I have seen it in the United thread its usually swiftly followed by a MOD warning. Perhaps a bit of a consistency issue?

All in all I think the SF is in a better place than it has been in a long time, just match threads are not worth the bother until post match when sometimes there is actual debate on the game.

K-9

bucketybuck wrote: »

And what of the point that the match threads are terrible for having an actual discussion due to their fast moving low content nature?

And anyway, how does some posters having a discussion in a superthread stop other posters attempting a discussion in a match thread?

Anytime a match is on is usually a bad time to start an in depth discussion because well, the match is on. Some will make more general points or post a half time summary, that's allowed at the minute, so there is no issue there whatsoever, no point even mentioning that.

Again, the problem is some hiding behind a rock in their super threads, where a dissenting or opposition opinion is less likely to come in. Bringing up match threads is totally missing the point. That is exactly why these posters use super threads like this, others can sod of to match threads and I'll stay here in my little shell!

It's a bit like watching a match in the local, some banter and debate from opposition fans is part of the fun of it.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

Its just a bugbear of mine, taking a point made and bringing it to an extreme. End up discussing sonething else all together. Doesn't usually matter much but on a feedback thread an annoyance as the initial point gets missed. Maybe that's just your style of making points, if that's the case, fair enough, apologies for coming over a bit strong.

I don't think you see anything wrong with in match discussions on super threads, I do and I think there are a couple of good reasons, contrary to what some were saying.

I didn't take anything to the extreme. You seem to be looking for something that's not there.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

It's a bit like watching a match in the local, some banter and debate from opposition fans is part of the fun of it.

And some people would rather watch the match at home but nobody is knocking on their door and telling them to turn it off and get down to the pub.

Now that's extreme...

K-9

duffman13 wrote: »

Also its kind of strange that some posters seem to think they can post in a superthread about the game while a game is on. Anytime I have seen it in the United thread its usually swiftly followed by a MOD warning. Perhaps a bit of a consistency issue?

All in all I think the SF is in a better place than it has been in a long time, just match threads are not worth the bother until post match when sometimes there is actual debate on the game.

Its something that usually only matters in the larger supported match threads. Tbh I find on the pool thread that if people are clogging up the super thread, somebody will post a match thread link and that's the end of that, rarely requires mod intervention and is mostly self policing.

bucketybuck

K-9 wrote: »

Anytime a match is on is usually a bad time to start an in depth discussion because well, the match is on. Some will make more general points or post a half time summary, that's allowed at the minute, so there is no issue there whatsoever, no point even mentioning that.

Its not the time thats the problem, its the place. If I wanted to start a discussion about the Nani sending off, why not just start it in the best place to have that discussion, the United superthread, even if the match is still ongoing?

Again, the problem is some hiding behind a rock in their super threads, where a dissenting or opposition opinion is less likely to come in. Bringing up match threads is totally missing the point. That is exactly why these posters use super threads like this, others can sod of to match threads and I'll stay here in my little shell!

It's a bit like watching a match in the local, some banter and debate from opposition fans is part of the fun of it.

I disagree completely, there is no problem there. If some posters want to stick to the superthreads then that is their right to do so, regardless of whether an individual thinks they should be out having the banter elsewhere.

There are people in a local who often just want to watch the match with their friends, who don't want to get into a slanging match with some random guy who thinks everybody should be listening to him. Whats wrong with that?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a poster choosing who he wants to converse with and where he wants to do it, who are you to tell him otherwise?

K-9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

And some people would rather watch the match at home but nobody is knocking on their door and telling them to turn it off and get down to the pub.

Now that's extreme...

Yeah, but why post on boards while watching a match at home?

99 times out of 100 its to discuss something, add an opinion and add another dimension to it.

Crann na Beatha

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niallo27

JT26 wrote: »

I don't understand how anyone would be in favour of using such sexist childish names like Maureen,Brenda etc they bring nothing to the forum!

They have probably been mentioned more in this thread than they have in the last 5 years on the site. I have never seen them used myself.

darced

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Kerrigooney

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Why is Kess still a mod? He hasn't even logged into Boards for 9 months.

Surely his modship(?) could be taken up by someone else.

Anybody?

dfx-

I suppose mods take breaks from time to time through external circumstances etc and everyone tries to cover.

Kylo Ren

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Anybody?

Maybe he's posing as another poster. Undercover.

"What up, fellow regular posters. Up to anything that would break the charter tonight?"

Kerrigooney

Keno wrote: »

Maybe he's posing as another poster. Undercover.

"What up, fellow regular posters. Up to anything that would break the charter tonight?"

GavRedKing

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Anybody?

I assumed he was with busy with working and travelling. Hopefully he'll be back at some stage though.

K-9

I dont think mods should feel under pressure to check in regularly either, it's a volunteer position after all. As long as enough numbers are there to cover it shouldn't be a problem. The admins do a spring clean now and again anyway AFAIK.

Shanotheslayer

K-9 wrote: »

I dont think mods should feel under pressure to check in regularly either, it's a volunteer position after all. As long as enough numbers are there to cover it shouldn't be a problem. The admins do a spring clean now and again anyway AFAIK.

Nobody is asking them to check in everyday, but surely it makes more sense to have Mods who are on every day? Or most days at least.

Looking at Mods and Activity.

Beastys last post was 2 months ago
Steve 0 posts from what I can find
Sparks 0 posts from what I can find

Edit: Cat Mods, Nevermind ^ :P

Thanks 4 the fish has 1 post in over a month

Kess/Frisbee have already been mentioned for inactive.

The others, you all made the cut congrats :P

I'm not saying that because these posters don't post they don't do there MOD duties. But I'd definetly be suprised if they where on top of things.

Mickeroo

Just fyi, Beasty, Steve and Sparks aren't mods of the soccer forum they're Category Mods.