cerastes wrote: » The Korean war ended in a stalemate and then an armistice.
newmug wrote: » We all agree that a war between the US and Russia and China would be a horrible, horrible thing. Right. Now, back to the subject at hand - Greece has turned to the dark side. I wonder if Germany will actually give them a break now, or will they turn up the heat even more? Will there be a Grexit because of this? Will other PIG countries see Russia as a go-to man? I personally think the result of all this will be that Britain will end up staying in the EU, to keep their foot in the door now that the dynamic has changed.
IrishTrajan wrote: » Which was a strategic victory for the US. 1. North Korea gains almost total control over the Peninsula 2. The US/UN invades to restore South Korea 3. At the end, South Korea is restored.
cerastes wrote: » Ok so first it was an outright victory, now its a strategic victory, what next? a moral victory too?? Im off, its too much, honestly, I cant ignore you, you make me feel like I know so much about history.
IrishTrajan wrote: » It appears your short-term memory isn't working properly. Have you de-calcified your pineal gland with some "natural" modified bananas and completely organic water?
IrishTrajan wrote: » I fear your knowledge of history comes from primary school and Sputnik News. The US' goal was to contain Communism and stop its expansion. North Korea tried expanding into South Korea, North Korea failed. Thus, the US achieved its objectives. You are an idiot if you think otherwise.
Deleted User wrote: » In fairness, after those posts about the Korean War, I can see why you're slipping away!
cerastes wrote: » I never ever stated what their goal was, I refuted that you claimed the US were victorious, you made it seem like they won, there was no victory as you described.
cerastes wrote: » You should stop attacking me and name calling, its very childish, it only makes it look/confirms you are losing, its an ourtight, strategic and moral victory for me.
cerastes wrote: » You seem to be having a wet dream warmongering fantasy, what are ya? 12?
cerastes wrote: » You have changed your tack from victory to achieved its objectives, end of.
cerastes wrote: » it ended up near where it started...
IrishTrajan wrote: » Nor did I ever say you claimed it. It was a victory, they achieved their objectives. You opened with: And you're going to cry about being called names? :rolleyes: ... You gain victory from achieving your objectives. Seriously, have you even read a book that didn't have pop-out pictures?
IrishTrajan wrote: » I don't think the Germans care much about this. Russia lacks the capital to do anything meaningful, and if the Greeks do start another pull, most of Europe will probably back Germany. The Russians are clever in trying to split the EU but I don't think anyone except the Greeks/Germans/French (and maybe the Hungarians) care about Greece's temper tantrums.
cerastes wrote: » I believe he said the US would wipe the face of the earth with Russia and China, thats how it seemed to me, and shooting down an airliner in a countries airspace from their own territorial waters isnt so bad after all? just depends on who's doing the shooting down I suppose? or maybe its on how European the occupants are? that all seems to have been mentioned. The dark side, lol
Deleted User wrote: » Precisely. The US succeeded in defending South Korea. North Korea, backed by China, failed in their aims.
newmug wrote: » I dont know. I think both of you are taking this too lightly. Its no different whether its the US or Russia or Katmandu backing Greece, the point is an outside influence has just gotten a serious foothold over one of the EU countries. Its like a Liverpool scout having tea and cakes with one of Man Utd.'s players. I dont like the vibe coming from this atall. Here's another thing to think about - WW1, centred around Germany. WW2, centred around Germany. WW3???? Germany is yet again being a cunnt to its neighbours, and we have major world powers taking note. Hmmm.
newmug wrote: » Now, back to the subject at hand - Greece has turned to the dark side. I wonder if Germany will actually give them a break now, or will they turn up the heat even more?
Will there be a Grexit because of this?
Will other PIG countries see Russia as a go-to man?
cerastes wrote: » It's understandable to see Germany being at the center of things, being one of the largest economic powers in Europe, their attitude to Greece may be justified, but it seems too stark too me and its not suprising that Greece has some affiliation to Russia and might make gestures to them to try rock the boat a bit.
cerastes wrote: » hence why it was a stalemate, neither side could or did or was willing or able to do what would achieve victory. Not losing doesnt mean victory.
cerastes wrote: » You are funny and deluded, its a victory and they achived their objectives? look, there's no point really, frightening what some people think occurred or words mean though.
cerastes wrote: » As for what I opened with, well that was nothing, it was back in post 27, a full 2 posts previous where you called me an idiot, but I see very recent history isnt your forte either, not just relatively recent and even slightly more distant history, and then you follow with that lol, oh dear.
cerastes wrote: » I merely stated what I thought your mindset and replies suggest and seems to have been picked up on by others, look Ive even read a few Tom Clancy "novels" myself, Im into the history and the equipment, but I also realise they are tools of war and I dont readily or easily hope for war.
cerastes wrote: » nor did I call you an idiot, did I? I asked you what age you are as I hope an adult doesnt talk like you do. Its not about crying about being called names, it just makes you look like losing your argument, and there is the matter of attacking the post not the poster, I thought that was a rule around these parts?
newmug wrote: » I agree. They are being far too harsh on Greece. It is obvious as the day is long that Greece is a special case, they are unhealthy and need treatment, not discipline. The whole point of the EU project was that we'd all work together to help each other out, specifically to prevent European countries from falling out. Germany's robotic-ness is yet again causing problems. I can see why Greece might look outside for help, but why Russia? What affiliations do they have?
newmug wrote: » I agree. They are being far too harsh on Greece. It is obvious as the day is long that Greece is a special case, they are unhealthy and need treatment, not discipline. The whole point of the EU project was that we'd all work together to help each other out, specifically to prevent European countries from falling out. Germany's robotic-ness is yet again causing problems.
newmug wrote: » I can see why Greece might look outside for help, but why Russia? What affiliations do they have?
IrishTrajan wrote: » http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2015/04/01/russia-economic-report-33
IrishTrajan wrote: » No, but achieving your objectives is. South Korea is not a Communist state, thus the US achieved their objectives and the North Koreans-Soviets did not (you can argue that China also achieved strategic objectives, in that it maintained North Korea's existence after the US practically stomped them). It was a US victory.I said if you believe China/Russia can take the US in a fight, that you're an idiot. Which is true, if you believe that then you are an idiot. I did not however straight out call you an idiot. If you're not "into history" maybe you should not argue with someone who is. Chances are those people know more than you.There's only so many times you can attack the argument before it gets redundant. You don't do the same thing over and over again and expect the same result. The fact stands: you don't know what you're talking about, regarding capabilities of the US (nor do I claim to know all, just more than the average person) and their competitors, nor the history of the Korean war, it seems.
cerastes wrote: » It was you that was stating recently that for a country to achieve victory that they need not win outright, In relation to how China might take the US? I never said it has to be a head to head contest, remember SunTzu was mentioned earlier, and fight to your strengths and an enemy's weaknesses too, how about the British Empire as an example, so exhausted by the "Great War" starting out as the preeminent world power, its superiority had waned by the end, supplanted by a superior economic and growing military strength/capability due to its economic might in the form of the US at the time. The US could not afford a war with its benefactor, the Chinese could wage an economic war on the US (I admit I dont know much about economics but you are wrong to suggest history) and as little or much about economics, it seems that China might be able to dump whatever they hold of US assets in currency on the world market? Id really need help on whether thats an accurate assesment of it, but from what Ive gathered this will destroy the dollar and they will be selling those 10 aircraft carriers for scrap to pay for essentials, its pure speculation or anyones guess if States will ceced from the Union and strike it out on their own, but I wouldnt rule it out in such a crazy "what if" scenario world. So before any of those 500k missles reached or hit that dam, the consequences would be dire for the world, but the USA would be over outright too. Agreed on the later points, its a shame you cant see your failings as you repeatedly criticise me for my lack of history knowledge and change tack when recounting the outcome of a major war and vary in your opinion on the shooting down of different airliners depending on who shot them down, the dead and their families on either side dont care who did it, I doubt either was intentional but thats small comfort to those on the receiving end.
Grayson wrote: » Despite the "closeness" of the Russia and China, the relationship between the US and China is actually closer. They are tied together by economic bonds that neither side wants to break. If, however they did beak, the US and EU companies that deal with China would move somewhere else. There are certain things like rare earth elements which China has that would be had to replace but it's not impossible to do so.
IrishTrajan wrote: » I said if you believe China/Russia can take the US in a fight, that you're an idiot.
Corvus Maximus wrote: » As part of the BRIC nations, we will see a growing economic power block that is unrivaled. World power is shifting ease and the influence of America and it's dollar is waning. A currency that is not based on a tangible value/reality. The BRIC nations will have a gold backed currency based on a tangible reality and that's where its stability & strength will lie. China might want western consumers, but when it comes to strategic reserves and military alliances, the Chinese will fall in with their Russian counterparts. They have already established a much closer strategic energy, military and economic relationship that will only continue grow.
Corvus Maximus wrote: » The BRIC nations will have a gold backed currency
Corvus Maximus wrote: » There's absolutely no chance of western companies turning away from the massive Chinese market. China can also find all the precious elements it needs in the vast, mineral rich resources of Russia. So don't be surprised as China & Russia continue to forge a closer alliance. Last month both nations conducted a joint military exercise in the Eastern Mediterranean and they've been conducting joint Pacific drills since 2012. The Chinese navy operating so far from their home waters with the Russians. Was no doubt intended to send a strong political & military message to the West. As part of the BRIC nations, we will see a growing economic power block that is unrivaled. World power is shifting ease and the influence of America and it's dollar is waning. A currency that is not based on a tangible value/reality. The BRIC nations will have a gold backed currency based on a tangible reality and that's where its stability & strength will lie. China might want western consumers, but when it comes to strategic reserves and military alliances, the Chinese will fall in with their Russian counterparts. They have already established a much closer strategic energy, military and economic relationship that will only continue grow.
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