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Why don't more sports have men and women competing equally

quickbeam

The only ones I can think of are horse racing and showjumping.

Obviously, sports which require strength will never be possible to have the genders competing together as it's not sexist to say that the average male will always be stronger than the average female. So I can understand why they don't compete together in boxing, soccer, rugby, tennis, athletics, etc.

But surely they could compete together is less physically demanding sports: snooker, golf, darts, curling, etc. Maybe even things like motor sports, or cricket.

So, is it time to merge some sports so we can all compete together?

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donspeekinglesh

eviltwin wrote: »

Women already are involved in motor sports, some of the test drivers are female. It's just a matter of time until one competes professionally.

That's F1, there's plenty competing professionally in other branches of motorsport. Two raced in the Indy 500 a few weeks back. There's plans for an all female team to enter the race next year.
Women have won championships in drag racing.

eviltwin

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

That's F1, there's plenty competing professionally in other branches of motorsport. Two raced in the Indy 500 a few weeks back.
Women have won championships in drag racing.

I only watch F1

Good to see women coming up the ranks.

raze_them_all_

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

That's F1, there's plenty competing professionally in other branches of motorsport. Two raced in the Indy 500 a few weeks back.
Women have won championships in drag racing.

to be fair with drag racing it's literally reaction/keep the car straight, the real winners in drag are the builders

enfant terrible

Hungry Hyena wrote: »

He was past his peak and they were close to their peak.

I don't think it was serious anyway, they train with males players and know they would have no chance.

It was just a bit of fun.

stefanovich

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

to be fair with drag racing it's literally reaction/keep the car straight, the real winners in drag are the builders

Driving in a straight line sounds complicated. I'm not sure I could even do that sober.

Dirty Dingus McGee

The only sports they would have any chance in are sports that involve almost no athleticism like snooker and darts.

Also the standard in womens sport is a good deal lower than men's sport so even the best women athletes are nowhere near as good comparably as their male counterparts.

A fair few of the Irish women's Rugby team converted fairly quickly from playing GAA. My sister never played rugby until about 3 years ago (and having not played competitive sport for about 5 years before that) and she's been training with the Connacht womens rugby team this year.You wouldn't be able to do that in the male equivalent

Women's sport should be emphasized more as a participatory sport rather than as spectator sport as it will almost always compare less favourably to the male equivalent and unfortunately they will never win that battle.The most important thing for womens sport is to get as many women playing rather than trying to get spectators.

Having said all that I did always wonder how Cora Staunton would do in a mens football match she was a class player.

steddyeddy

ch750536 wrote: »

We need to stop persuading girls they are weak & feeble from a young age, then they may engage more.

We need to get rid of the men should always lift heavy objects toss.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

IIRC the only time the number 1 in the world beat the number 1 guy in the world was long distance swimming in the 70's??

Men are more competitive and physically better built for it. While there will be the very rare freak female athlete they will be so far and between it'll not really count

You;re thinkging Bobby RIggs v Billy Jean King? RIggs was a top player in the 50s, but not the 70s.

In 92, Connors played Narratilova and beat her 7-5 6-2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_%28tennis%29

Hammar

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The only sports they would have any chance in are sports that involve almost no athleticism like snooker and darts.

Also the standard in womens sport is a good deal lower than men's sport so even the best women athletes are nowhere near as good comparably as their male counterparts.

A fair few of the Irish women's Rugby team converted fairly quickly from playing GAA. My sister never played rugby until about 3 years ago (and having not played competitive sport for about 5 years before that) and she's been training with the Connacht womens rugby team this year.You wouldn't be able to do that in the male equivalent

Women's sport should be emphasized more as a participatory sport rather than as spectator sport as it will almost always compare less favourably to the male equivalent and unfortunately they will never win that battle.The most important thing for womens sport is to get as many women playing rather than trying to get spectators.

Having said all that I did always wonder how Cora Staunton would do in a mens football match she was a class player.

She would get killed. Terrifically skillfull as you say,but the size difference alone would be far too great.

csallmighty

Physicality is the biggest factor in the majority of sports, women just can't compete in that regard.

Other sports I assume there just isn't a big enough interest for women that's why you don't see many at the top.

Carlos Orange

RedemptionZ wrote: »

I think you're misunderstanding the way I used term unfair. If women weren't given their own golf tournaments surely there would be very few if any taking place in a major tournament. Why? Because men are physically stronger and more suited to the sport and therefore have an unfair advantage, should women be forced to compete with them.

Arguably having different tournaments for women is unfair to the men who could make living professionally in a combined tournament (with more prize money but not better competitors) but can not in a male only tournament.

We don't have separate tournaments for short people or weak people. There isn't really a reason to have one for women just because people presume they couldn't compete with men.

eviltwin

steddyeddy wrote: »

We need to get rid of the men should always lift heavy objects toss.

It's probably a bit of both. Boys are encouraged to play sport, girls not so much. Boys playing sport are celebrated, girls often get slagged off for it. Young girls don't want to do sport so it's inevitable that they won't be as good at it as men. They haven't put the hours in.

raze_them_all_

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You;re thinkging Bobby RIggs v Billy Jean King? RIggs was a top player in the 50s, but not the 70s.

In 92, Connors played Narratilova and beat her 7-5 6-2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_%28tennis%29

no it was long distance swimming where throught the year the woman was ranked number 1 in the world in both male and female

Nwm2

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Men are physical faster and stronger than women. Look at world records and average winning times in any olympic athletic or weightlifting event. This is not sexist, it's a statement of fact.

The ideas you list, require horses - not just athletic prowess

I agree that the sports should be the same (5 sets instead of 3 in grand slam tennis, for example) and prize money should be the same.

Why should prize money be the same?

What about wages? That too?

Should female soccer players in the UK be paid the same as male premiership players?

The money ultimately comes from the size and composition of the audience (through broadcast rights, advertising etc) - the wages/prize money must really be based on that to make any commercial sense (these are businesses after all). That's why premiership soccer players make more than first division soccer players, or rugby players.

ThinkProgress

Men and women are different. (Shocker)

Only delusional people or angry bitter feminist types challenge this simple fact of life.

Not sure why anyone would want men and women to be exactly the same?

DoYouEvenLift

They could compete in chess and some motorsports and shooting etc. Just no physical sports.

Glad to see there aren't delusional morons on here making outlandish suggestions that I've seen made elsewhere like have some female American football players compete with the men at the NFL level, that'd basically be manslaughter since some players are >6'5 300lbs.

razorblunt

I wouldn't mind seeing a golf tournament where the Ladies tees are in use. Probably wouldn't work on most of the US courses which are ridiculously long but somewhere like St Andrews would make things interesting.

The Backwards Man

There's a game with a crowd of wimmins kicking a ball around a field on tonight.

And later on the Woman's World Cup starts too. :P

Kilboor

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

They could compete in chess and some motorsports and shooting etc. Just no physical sports.

Glad to see there aren't delusional morons on here making outlandish suggestions that I've seen made elsewhere like have some female American football players compete with the men at the NFL level, that'd basically be manslaughter since some players are >6'5 300lbs.

They do compete in chess I believe, but mens brains are wired in a way that makes them better at the game

DEFTLEFTHAND

There's a few instances of it. Ladies world champ Reanne Evans was invited to play in the mens World Snooker Championship this year, she lost in the first round of qualifying. Anna Dobromyslova was given a card on the PDC tour a few years back, when she wasn't making any headway she dropped back to ladies darts in the BDO. Anika Sorestam and Michelle Wie have both been invited to play in mens golf tournaments, both missing the cut each time.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Nwm2 wrote: »

Why should prize money be the same?

What about wages? That too?

Should female soccer players in the UK be paid the same as male premiership players?

The money ultimately comes from the size and composition of the audience (through broadcast rights, advertising etc) - the wages/prize money must really be based on that to make any commercial sense (these are businesses after all). That's why premiership soccer players make more than first division soccer players, or rugby players.

You're confusing wages with prize money.

Yurt2

Why so few female chess grandmasters? The Polgar sisters aside, very few females have made a dent at the elite level of chess.

Men have evolved over thousands of years to be competitive. Testosterone and the hard wiring of the male brain means we are compelled to compete. Men have had to compete for resources or they die. Women competed with each other to partner with the males with most resources and the genetic indicators for strong children (Be they physical or intellectual indicators).

(I get the feeling I'll get clobbered for this post but I stand by it)

Paramite Pie

Equality means equality of opportunity, not that physical differences between the genders doesn't exist. The average male would be pulverized on a rugby pitch let alone the average woman.

However if female sports had greater participation and encouragement, I'm sure we'd see a higher standard of players. It's like how the US soccer team (men's) is waay below the standard expected for a country of that size with a huge athletic population to draw from. Discouragement and lack of interest means the full potential pool of players isn't drawn from.

The focus should be on giving more equal attention and recognition to women's sports. That's the equality. An athlete's goal regardless of gender is generally to push their bodies to the limit. A welterweight boxer isn't less skillful than a heavy weight boxer, they just have a different body type. But put them in the ring and it's no contest.

Ultimately, female athletes have to train just as hard to reach their limit as men do.

darkpagandeath

Yurt! wrote: »

Why so few female chess grandmasters? The Polgar sisters aside, very few females have made a dent at the elite level of chess.

Men have evolved over thousands of years to be competitive. Testosterone and the hard wiring of the male brain means we are compelled to compete. Men have had to compete for resources or they die. Women competed with each other to partner with the males with most resources and the genetic indicators for strong children (Be they physical or intellectual indicators).

(I get the feeling I'll get clobbered for this post but I stand by it)

Was going to post something similar, Petty people will get annoyed at genetics...

nc19

raze_them_all_ wrote:

to be fair with drag racing it's literally reaction/keep the car straight, the real winners in drag are the builders

Or the queens

nullzero

Here's an idea, would you want to watch a woman fight a man in a ring?
No, and why is that?
The physical differences are too pronounced. Female sports people are every bit as dedicated as their male counterparts and deserve the same respect but competing equally in all sports isn't the best of ideas for seemingly obvious reasons.

Yurt2

nullzero wrote: »

Here's an idea, would you want to watch a woman fight a man in a ring?
No, and why is that?
The physical differences are too pronounced. Female sports people are every bit as dedicated as their male counterparts and deserve the same respect but competing equally in all sports isn't the best of ideas for seemingly obvious reasons.

There's a transgender MMA fighter (Fallon Fox) who competed professionally before she admitted publicly she was born a male (with all the frame and bone density advantages of being a male until her early 30's)

The likes of Ronda Rousey and Joe Rogan were lambasted as transphobic for objecting to her competing against women.

Nwm2

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You're confusing wages with prize money.

Read my post again, a bit slower this time, and you will see that I don't.

[Deleted User]

Yurt! wrote: »

There's a transgender MMA fighter (Fallon Fox) who competed professionally before she admitted publicly she was born a male (with all the frame and bone density advantages of being a male until her early 30's)

The likes of Ronda Rousey and Joe Rogan were lambasted as transphobic for objecting to her competing against women.

What's your point exactly? Fox continued to compete professionally after it was common knowledge she used to be a man and she hasnt exactly gone on to dominate womens mma either

nc19

Hammar wrote:

She would get killed. Terrifically skillfull as you say,but the size difference alone would be far too great.

Theo Walcot isn't that big in fairness....