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Cyclists should do a theory test!

lickme

A lot of cyclists have no concept of the rules of the road and are getting more and more agressive. There acting like they have the right of way the whole time, weaving in and out of traffic, breaking red lights, not adhering and not looking for possible dangers ahead. Stricter and harsher penalties are needed for them. A piece of advice playing chicken with cars will not work well in the long run for ye. Should be made do some sort of simulation test or something. They are some decent cyclists but most are idiots.

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Cork Lass

Grayson wrote: »

I can see little jimmy on his 6th birthday opening his present. It's a bike. Then his dad sits down with him and helps him study for the theory test.

Actually, why not? We teach our kids to be safe in every other aspect of their lives so why not this?

Colser

Ranchu wrote: »

Would a theory test really help though? Look at the state of car drivers on roundabouts. No one has a jot what they're supposed to be doing and these gimps have passed a test.

To be fair roundabouts can be a little more difficult to negotiate than a basic red traffic light than cyclists seem to have difficulty with...

Ranchu

Would a theory test really help though? Look at the state of car drivers on roundabouts. No one has a jot what they're supposed to be doing and these gimps have passed a test.

RainyDay

dubscottie wrote: »

I agree. They go on about cars breaking red lights (in most cases legal) but they are the ones that I see every morning and night breaking red lights the minute the green man comes on..

Yes, it's a good job that cars, vans, trucks and buses don't break red lights routinely, unlike out two-wheeled friends;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92964191&postcount=597

dubscottie wrote: »

There is a video on the cycling forum of cars "breaking lights". In that video, Had the cars stopped, There would have been a pile up behind them.

You can go through a amber turning to red light if it would be unsafe to stop.. Ie slamming on the anchors.

I see, so you're confirming that most drivers are driving way too fast for the traffic conditions if they are unable to stop safely for an amber light going red?

Turtyturd wrote: »

Why is 'But I've seen motorists do...' the best defence cyclists can offer?

No, that's just the first round of defence, which points out that cyclists are really no different from other road user groups who routinely break traffic law.

The best defence is to point out that motorists kill 200+ people each year on our roads and maim thousands of others. Cyclists don't.

SpaceTime wrote: »

Theory test should be part of the school curriculum and everyone should take it. We're all road users.

It is already covered in many local authority areas;
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/aboutus/councildepartments/transportation/findit/newroadsafetysection/cyclists/cyclingtrainingscheme/

And the scheme is being expanded nationwide;
http://irishcycle.com/2015/01/23/cycling-training-for-children-to-be-rolled-out-to-school-across-ireland-in-2016/

But here's the big shocker - most cyclists have already done their driving theory and practical tests. Most cyclists are qualified drivers - not that the driver tests does anything much for driver behaviour on the road, as a quick observation of driving style in any Irish city will tell you.

rubadub

Grayson wrote: »

I can see little jimmy on his 6th birthday opening his present. It's a bike. Then his dad sits down with him and helps him study for the theory test.

Currently dad instructs him to cycle on the footpath which is against the law, then dad rants about cyclists breaking the law...

What is most worrying about threads like this is that it reminds me that the roads are full of people who are so fucking stupid they cannot figure out why the gardai do not enforce the laws as much to law breaking pedestrians and cyclists. These morons are behind the wheels of lethal weapons, watch out folks...

Bog Standard User

Ruu wrote: »

They should pay road tax too!

its not road tax... its called "Motor tax"

mojesius

I frequently get 'tutted' at by other cyclists behind me for stopping at a red light. No, the green man doesn't include you. Your light is still red.

Also, wearing headphones while cycling should be banned.

Please don't pull in front of me at the lights when I recently overtook you. You're clearly cycling at a slower pace than I am.

I should have gone to to ranting and raving forum but fcuk it

beauf

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Cyclists stay off the footpath.

Footpath. The key is in the name.

http://dublinobserver.com/2010/10/cycle-lane-highlights-in-dublin/
http://irishcycle.com/2012/08/24/cycling-against-traffic-legally/

No excuse for cycling dangerously.

Often to get around the one way system, or to get on off cycle paths, you have to cross footpaths, due to the poor design and layout.

Grayson

I can see little jimmy on his 6th birthday opening his present. It's a bike. Then his dad sits down with him and helps him study for the theory test.

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire

Walking should also be subject to license. You can't leave the house until you pass the pedestrian theory test and pay your pavement tax.
Children who don't cross at a crossing should pay heavy fines and possible imprisonment for the parents.

jjpep

SpaceTime wrote: »

Theory test should be part of the school curriculum and everyone should take it. We're all road users.

Possibily only sensible thing in this whole thread

Grandpa Hassan

Insurance, licences, theory tests.....it's never going to happen. Get used to it. It would run counter to the governments, every governments, aim of increasing cycling and discouraging driving. And the Dublin bike thing would have to go as well. Cycling proficiency should be mandatory in schools....and that's about as far as you can go.

All the laws are there already. They just need to be enforced, if the gardai can be bothered.

Cyclist numbers are only going to increase

tritium

dubscottie wrote: »

I agree. They go on about cars breaking red lights (in most cases legal) but they are the ones that I see every morning and night breaking red lights the minute the green man comes on..

Well that's a new one, legally breaking a red! What are you the presidential motorcade

tritium

Ah yes, the eternal debate where motorists, cyclists and pedestrians all swear its only the other two groups who are full of idiots who break the law, when the reality is all three groups have their share of morons.

Its actually informative to see how many motorists swear its OK to break the speed limit or run red lights, how many cyclists think its OK to run red lights. Each group of road users should probably be mindful of the glass house they're in before throwing stones.

Spook_ie

mikemac1 wrote: »

Since tax is based on emissions the correct rate is zero

Actually 0g CO2 emissions motor tax is Group A0 which is €120 per year

mikemac1

tipparetops wrote: »

They should have a licence, insurance and tax. If they want to use the roads, they should pay for them.

Since tax is based on emissions the correct rate is zero

Tombi!

Mod: dxhound2005 and glynf, drop the discussion of other forums and don't bring arguments to this one.

glynf

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think you should bring your very erudite opinions to the Cycling Forum, where no doubt they will be welcomed.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=410

Why bother? Some of them are struggling with the basics, as in what side of the road to cycle on ffs..

SHOVELLER

Cyclists stay off the footpath.

Footpath. The key is in the name.

endacl

I saw a cyclist kicking a puppy up the arse today. Won't somebody think of the puppies?!?

SpaceTime

Theory test should be part of the school curriculum and everyone should take it. We're all road users.

Turtyturd

Why is 'But I've seen motorists do...' the best defence cyclists can offer?

leftfinger

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The trouble for me is, while you're right about a car collision damaging a pedestrian more than a bicycle collision, the latter is far, far more likely to happen to pedestrians who obey the rules because of (a) cyclists on the footpath and (b) cyclists who break red lights.

ive been hit by a car twice in my life.

the first was many years ago as a child i was crossing the road on a green mad and a car struck me lucky they were not able to slow down enough in time to only really knock me onto the ground. i was able to get up and walk away from it.

the second time only occurred a few weeks ago while cycling i was clipped by a wing mirror or a car the car stopped for a moment and then just went on his/her way

i was also again luckily to have walked away from that but my bike was damaged and cost me 200 euro to fix.

ive never been hot by a cyclist maybe its different here in limerick but i hardly ever see someone cycling on the path.
i do see them running lights and cycling down the wrong side of the road alright.

but i also see cars speeding through pedestrian crossings in the mornings so they dont have to wait while the lollipop lady is letting the kids cross.

i can think of ways that would help with these problems

1. better education for everyone
2. mandatory driving retest every 10 years or less
3. more garda on the street to enforce the laws

a theory test for cyclists what a silly idea when are you going to give people the test when they are 7 years old?

how would insurance work? it would only increase existing car insurance as the amount of claims that would go against a car would increase most of those bike are worth 1k and over.

hatrickpatrick

leftfinger wrote: »

at least if i get hit by a cyclist there's a pretty good chance i;ll walk away with only a bruise
a car on the other hand the way most people drive id be killed on impact.

The trouble for me is, while you're right about a car collision damaging a pedestrian more than a bicycle collision, the latter is far, far more likely to happen to pedestrians who obey the rules because of (a) cyclists on the footpath and (b) cyclists who break red lights.

I've had many more near misses with cyclists over the last few years than with cars, generally because when I'm walking on the footpath a car is highly unlikely to mount the pavement with no warning (at the very least, you can hear it coming) and secondly, because in four years of college I've never seen a car sail through a light which has been red for a long time with a green man, but I see cyclists do it every day. Cars do sometimes speed up to get a light which has just turned red, but I'm talking about a light which is about to go green again having been a green man for the last minute or so. Many cyclists just ignore red lights full stop - and worse than that, not just red lights but crowds of people.

hatrickpatrick

I'm not sure why people get so defensive about this. Cyclists are using vehicles which can move at speeds that are capable of hurting a person. There's absolutely no reason they shouldn't have to pass some kind of competence test before they can use them in public, just as with drivers.

Also, personally I'd like to ban those feckin' rickshaw gobsh!tes from Stephen's Green. Not the roads, just the footpaths. No high speed vehicles should be allowed on the footpath at all IMO.

leftfinger

NachoBusiness wrote: »

They don't need a theory test. They well know the rules, they just don't care about them.

just like a whole lot of drivers

leftfinger

the way i see it drivers, cyclists and pedestrians haven't a clue most of the time.

most people driving are speeding, on the phone or just not paying attention

cyclists and pedestrians are not taking due care.

at least if i get hit by a cyclist there's a pretty good chance i;ll walk away with only a bruise
a car on the other hand the way most people drive id be killed on impact.

i also cant see the insurance for cycling working to well.
would that then mean that kids can no longer cycle to school?

i'm a pedestrian, cyclist and driver and no matter which mode of transport i use i see idiots and id be surprised most of the time how they haven't been killed yet

dubscottie

Tony Beetroot wrote: »

Banning the energy gels will solve 56% of the problem.

And 30% of the litter problem up the Dublin/Wicklow mountains..

Tony Beetroot

Banning the energy gels will solve 56% of the problem.

NachoBusiness

They don't need a theory test. They well know the rules, they just don't care about them.