PTH2009 wrote: » Not that I'm being racist but
Cold War Kid wrote: » Aye. I know people will say beauty is objective - and it is, but attractiveness is subjective and malleable. In the west, fat pale women once held a ranking in the attractiveness stakes as slim, tanned women do now.
Wibbs wrote: » Whatever about pale and we'll leave Coco Chanel out of it for the moment, "fat" as attractive was pretty thin on the ground(pun intended) for most of western history. Sure catwalk model twigs were pretty much never in play for straight men, but neither were obese women. Slim to plump was the order of the day. Even Rubens who is oft trotted out as a painter of the obese, painted hefty enough women, but with the same hip waist ratio as the Venus de Milo or Kate Moss. They weren't barrel shaped anyway. Hell one of the first descriptions of eating disorders among women was by ancient Greek doctors.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Not that I'm being spellist but what is a gigalo?
Jan Laco wrote: » I didn't know there was an Irish view of beauty.
MarkAnthony wrote: » Frankly that's nonsense. There's no way you can compare today's ideal figure to the Victorian or renaissance ideals.
Wibbs wrote: » "fat" as attractive was pretty thin on the ground(pun intended) for most of western history. Sure catwalk model twigs were pretty much never in play for straight men, but neither were obese women. Slim to plump was the order of the day. Even Rubens who is oft trotted out as a painter of the obese, painted hefty enough women, but with the same hip waist ratio as the Venus de Milo or Kate Moss. They weren't barrel shaped anyway.
Beta Canis Majoris wrote: » It's quite obvious, but not politically correct to say why OP. You know why, I know why, everyone knows why, it has even been hinted at on this thread already, but to state it in public implies you are a racist for some odd reason.
Wibbs wrote: » Actually you can. And go further back to Roman and Greek ideals too. Hip/waist ratio for a start. Botticelli's Venus is hardly a fat woman. The Victorian ideal was for a tiny waist(with attendant bustle to accentuate the hip waist ratio deal), even the paleolithic venus figures who were crazily obese had a similar hip to waist ratio. At no point in history was it this kinda shape.
Cold War Kid wrote: » That's what I mean by fat though - the Rubens and Botticelli gals; not obese ladies. I recognise the phenomenon but I honestly don't know why.
MarkAnthony wrote: » No of course it wasn't. But trying to use one measurement to suggest that women in the Victorian/Renaissance and Greek periods wouldn't have been considered larger ladies is, to be kind, understating it. They would have very likely tipped the scales at what we today consider obese.
PTH2009 wrote: What is it with foreign lads going out with heavier/vunrable women ??.I mean these are good looking men and the women are horrible. Are the men gigalos??.
PTH2009 wrote: » What is it with foreign lads going out with heavier/vunrable women ??
PTH2009 wrote: » foreigners with heavy womenWhat is it with foreign lads going out with heavier/vunrable women ??.I mean these are good looking men and the women are horrible. Are the men gigalos??. Not that I'm being racist but I don't trust those lads something about them
The Backwards Man wrote: » Got that Roxette song stuck in my head now, thanks OP.
PTH2009 wrote: » What is it with foreign lads going out with heavier/vunrable women ??.I mean these are good looking men and the women are horrible. Are the men gigalos??. Not that I'm being racist but I don't trust those lads something about them
eternal wrote: » It's all crap. I got a lot more attention from African guys when I was much slimmer. I wouldn't get that much now and I'm a bit heavier so this is a sweeping, ridiculous statement.