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Horse84

My big worry is that management will slot Cronin in at centre back and either put Ellis back to full or on the wing. They've done it before as recently as the kk challenge match so I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Mccloughlin is a huge loss, one of these lads that are only missed when they're not there. Someone said on here recently that it's only now with Conor sull gone (who now has to be begged back) that Brian murphys loss is felt.

Pa Callaghan needs to be begged or coaxed or bribed into this set up. I'd a Waterford senior say to me the other day who's played against him several times that he rates him extremely highly.

Also has anyone heard that Anthony Spillane has left the senior panel?

thinkstoomuch1

Horse84 wrote: »

My big worry is that management will slot Cronin in at centre back and either put Ellis back to full or on the wing. They've done it before as recently as the kk challenge match so I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Mccloughlin is a huge loss, one of these lads that are only missed when they're not there. Someone said on here recently that it's only now with Conor sull gone (who now has to be begged back) that Brian murphys loss is felt.

Pa Callaghan needs to be begged or coaxed or bribed into this set up. I'd a Waterford senior say to me the other day who's played against him several times that he rates him extremely highly.

Also has anyone heard that Anthony Spillane has left the senior panel?

Didn't hear regards Spillane but if true it's poor reflection management but again if true
Jbm rates him so it's interesting if he left
Apparently was great last night with making the goal and three points from play
Huge huge loss if he left but I said it during the league he should got more games yet just one game really in full yet others get game after game after game

Cronin going back id agree be a huge mistake
Brian murphy was outstanding absolutely but he's lost the yard of pace made him so great so he imo shouldn't be called back but sullivan should In he's young and coming in to he's peak years

Calling up former old players is not the way forward for cork hurling
We have seen the football do it and it's been unsuccessful
Just cause these lads perform in club games doesn't mean there still senior
It must never be forgotten their inter county experience and fitness for years will always make them stand out at club games against club players but at senior intercounty any weak spots will be exposed
Young players need to perform at club level as if they don't then they can't push for a cork place
Cronin is pushing for a place and he's deserving of another chance but Murphy is different in he's off the panel now two years and as great as he was he is not a full back and cork actually have corner backs but the right ones imo are mot not being picked

Horse84

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Didn't hear regards Spillane but if true it's poor reflection management but again if true
Jbm rates him so it's interesting if he left
Apparently was great last night with making the goal and three points from play
Huge huge loss if he left but I said it during the league he should got more games yet just one game really in full yet others get game after game after game

Cronin going back id agree be a huge mistake
Brian murphy was outstanding absolutely but he's lost the yard of pace made him so great so he imo shouldn't be called back but sullivan should In he's young and coming in to he's peak years

Calling up former old players is not the way forward for cork hurling
We have seen the football do it and it's been unsuccessful
Just cause these lads perform in club games doesn't mean there still senior
It must never be forgotten their inter county experience and fitness for years will always make them stand out at club games against club players but at senior intercounty any weak spots will be exposed
Young players need to perform at club level as if they don't then they can't push for a cork place
Cronin is pushing for a place and he's deserving of another chance but Murphy is different in he's off the panel now two years and as great as he was he is not a full back and cork actually have corner backs but the right ones imo are mot not being picked

I probably didn't make myself clear in my post, my fault. I wasn't saying Brian should be recalled more stating that there isn't the calibre of player there to replace imho. Someone mentioned the cork defence for the AI in 2013 and through injury and withdrawal only Shane and maccie remain leaving it a lot weaker. We're vulnerable, extremely so and I agree fellas that should've gotten game time didn't and fellas that shouldn't have did.
I'd worry for Aidan Ryan as say what you want but he wasn't tested at all in league final, not with Waterford playing Maurice up there on his own at times and I've an awful feeling he'll be targeted come June 7th. I can't ever remember anyone calling for him to be selected at any stage in the last few years but there's no one else really to fill that role at the minute.
I'm expecting a huge response from these players and I'd be demanding one, however my head says that we could be in for a rude awakening and all talk of shadow boxing in the league final will be shown up for what it was, a nonsense. Waterford were full value for their win and they'll be full of confidence and will go in as favourites in my view. This might've affected Waterford teams of old but this is now a team built on success from schools and minor who are used to winning.

thinkstoomuch1

Horse84 wrote: »

I probably didn't make myself clear in my post, my fault. I wasn't saying Brian should be recalled more stating that there isn't the calibre of player there to replace imho. Someone mentioned the cork defence for the AI in 2013 and through injury and withdrawal only Shane and maccie remain leaving it a lot weaker. We're vulnerable, extremely so and I agree fellas that should've gotten game time didn't and fellas that shouldn't have did.
I'd worry for Aidan Ryan as say what you want but he wasn't tested at all in league final, not with Waterford playing Maurice up there on his own at times and I've an awful feeling he'll be targeted come June 7th. I can't ever remember anyone calling for him to be selected at any stage in the last few years but there's no one else really to fill that role at the minute.
I'm expecting a huge response from these players and I'd be demanding one, however my head says that we could be in for a rude awakening and all talk of shadow boxing in the league final will be shown up for what it was, a nonsense. Waterford were full value for their win and they'll be full of confidence and will go in as favourites in my view. This might've affected Waterford teams of old but this is now a team built on success from schools and minor who are used to winning.

Maurice meant be out now dislocated knee cap

I feel for him as he's one player I'd love to do well
I'm gutted for him
Both counties are in huge injury problem waterford two forwards cork two backs but cork seem to struggle for defence cover so imo Waterford have advantage with lorcan out and Joyce out from last year that's two starting defenders with sullivan huge loss

Waterford have huge gaps to fill but they have a bit of cover cork have none it seems
I agree Ryan wasn't tested a lot but the good news is he won't be really in Waterford have to change their system to do that and with two forwards out whatever chance they had won't do that now so they stick what they know and will play conservative game imo
Ryan is good under the high ball the one threat to cork

Your valid in the championship could show the shadow boxing talk be wrong but I think there's no denying it's a possibility in offaly Longford showed that in were offaly thirteen points better league team no they weren't
I posted that after that game here to reference it
Sunday showed the real Longford
Ulster played Glasgow and conceded a host scores but knew playing them this weekend again a week later knock out
Expect a different ulster and Saturday loss is no relevance to the game
While no teams goes out to loose you can always get a marked difference imo to attuide towards a game Intensity and hunger etc

I was certain cork had real chance in a few weeks but mcloughlin loss is now obviously huge and puts waterford even with two lads out at an advantage as there defence system is still strong while cork have problems for defenders due to injury and a lack of cover also
The one thing though is waterford two forwards loss may help negate cork defence loss but our defence is a worry no doubt about it.

CORKDOUBLE

Paudie Hurley played for footballers in trail game over the weekend ....heard that Nick Murphy and Graham Canty are returning as well !!!

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Paudie Hurley played for footballers in trail game over the weekend ....heard that Nick Murphy and Graham Canty are returning as well !!!

Your joking I presume with the two above but then I would not be at all surprised
Hurley is a tremendous club man but inter county I think even haven fans would says it's doubtful if he's inter county standard at senior

CORKDOUBLE

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Your joking I presume with the two above but then I would not be at all surprised
Hurley is a tremendous club man but inter county I think even haven fans would says it's doubtful if he's inter county standard at senior

Hurley has a huge kickout of course i mean huge kickout ....but hes not even the Havens no.1 at the moment ...he will be 34 this year ....more news it looks like Ciaran Sheehans season is over because of injury in Australia ....what will the back 6 look like for the hurlers ....Shane O Neill, Stephen McDonnell, Killian Burke, Damien Cahalane , Mark Ellis, and Cormac Murphy and no subs ...not too sure about Brian O Sullivan and Aidan Ryan big asks for both ....TTM i think you are correct Colm Spillane, Colm Barry and Jamie Nagle would want to be asked on to the panel...injury permitting ....what about young Conor Twomey too young i suppose ....all of a sudden things are not looking good in either code for the summer ...and this coming after the two disasters of Leauge finals , the Minor football defeat and the injury losses that cost the u21 footballers ...thank god for both ladies teams ...more so the footballers a team that does not know the meaning of defeat ....defeat is something that they rule ...well done on there latest title.

CORKDOUBLE

It looks like Chiedozie Ogbene starred when he came on for the Nemo u21s yesterday ....was he avaliable for the Minor footballers ?? i also heard from someone that Ray Carey should be back on the Cork panel outstanding in the two games for Clyda ....

Hurleratheart

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

It looks like Chiedozie Ogbene starred when he came on for the Nemo u21s yesterday ....was he avaliable for the Minor footballers ?? i also heard from someone that Ray Carey should be back on the Cork panel outstanding in the two games for Clyda ....

Ogbene asked a few times but said no - concetrating on soccer

Heard billy Morgan and thompkins coming back to 😐

zetecescort

Connorzee wrote: »

Also, can anyone explain to me (either by PM or here) what the story with Pa O'Callaghan is? Why has he not been playing u21 with cork, and why isnt he on the senior panel? I havent seen him play myself in the last few years but reading reports he seems to be the standout underage player in the county, and the past weekend seems to compound that.

Do people who've seen him play think he could start with the seniors, or challenge for a sub spot?

apparently had a bad experience with the Cork minor setup a few years ago.

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Ogbene asked a few times but said no - concetrating on soccer

Heard billy Morgan and thompkins coming back to ðŸ˜

Ogbene is a terrific player and I advocated last year he be on the team but wasn't
It's he's choice for whatever sport he wants to play so best of luck to him but you would wonder did being over looked influence he's decisions from last year but he's playing with club so I wouldn't rule out with nemo Hayes if he's there next year playing for Cork as he's good enough certainly
He's some engine and is outstanding breaking the tackle and can run all day long up and down the field with a super work ethic also to he's play

There trying to keep Tompkins role quiet
But he's apparently going to be half forward and there going to link him with the driscoll brothers kevin and colm to form a potent line.

The root and branch review identified Also cork are short at half back and keeping in line with nemo rangers Barry driscoll half forward playing half back joe kavangh nemo man is lined up for the same role on the other wing
Talk is driscoll dorman and Joe kavangh as a powerful all out attack half back line as the league proves cork don't do defence so it's all out attack but where still doing the blanket absolutely blanket all the way if asked by any pundits or radio station ,in we will still have twelve men back
They may not defend like a blanket but they will back there anywhere

Talk is Nicholas going to full forward the new Donaghey role ,Denis crowley was being lined up but he's injured
Canty lacking pace but will go in corner back to replace loughrey and man mark dounoughe

Apparently Morgan declined after taking a long time to consider coming back as keeper but he knew he'd no midfield to aim at so he politely declined as hes such a great reputation he didn't want to be remembered for kicking balls out over the side line and he's career questioned
He apparently was keen as a selector but told no thanks the coaching ticket at present is very strong and they don't want to weaken it so close to championship

:-)

thinkstoomuch1

Pa is still young so hopefully some day he may play for cork.
Neil ronan said in the paper he's good enough but must be left to himself to make the decision so to be fair it's not jbm fault and jbm can't do anything so it's up to pa
I can't see him playing this year anyway
At the earliest if he does play it be next year but I'd hope to be wrong and hear he's joining up this year

HillFarmer

Sorry to hear Lorcan is out for you guys for June 7th, hopefully we'll see him at some stage in this years championship. Wish him well.

Maurice looks to be out for us as well along with Paudie.
Think if Maurice is out it will be serious blow as we need a target man in the system we play.

thinkstoomuch1

HillFarmer wrote: »

Sorry to hear Lorcan is out for you guys for June 7th, hopefully we'll see him at some stage in this years championship. Wish him well.

Maurice looks to be out for us as well along with Paudie.
Think if Maurice is out it will be serious blow as we need a target man in the system we play.

It's sad both counties have such injuries as both would relish a cracking game with fully fit squads

Waterford still hold the aces though in cork have little defence cover and lorcan is pivotal to cork in a sweeping role, puck out reciver for short ones and also had the ability to carve defences open with precision passing

No doubt two forwards are huge loss to waterford but waterford defence still in tact and defence normally wins game forwards decide by how much

Joyce and lorcan are two starters from last year out, cahalane struggling injury may start but will he last the game, Conor sullivan gone you would have to say now waterford have despite all injury worries the advantages now and be huge favourite now

Waterford didn't score that much from play most of the league up to the final so if they find a free taker to get most scores as much huge huge loss mahony is they can negate it to some degree

Cork have big problems in full back was always the issue but now half back also
The fear is like the Dublin game cork will make whole sale changes in the team to solve the defence
Imo waterford in a very very strong position now and from being extremely confident cork would win with fully fit team I d be concerned now injuries mounting against us

Best of luck to o mahony in he's comeback a fine hurler and I'm gutted for Maurice as I'm huge fan him and I hope he's fit for the next game

It's reasonable to suggest that cork and Waterford certainly won't go two far in the all-ireland series in mahony and lorcan loss will always be felt in the business end of championship

Tipp missing noel mcgrath but they have forwards still problem waterford have is they lack depth in forward players like cork in the backs

pluszap

Anybody think that Daniel Kearney would be worth a go in the half back line?

Orizio

pluszap wrote: »

Anybody think that Daniel Kearney would be worth a go in the half back line?

Maybe if we get him to piggyback on Cahalane for the puck-outs.

thinkstoomuch1

pluszap wrote: »

Anybody think that Daniel Kearney would be worth a go in the half back line?

It actually would be very logical choice given all injury worries and he's good under the high ball and certainly similar to lorcan and it would be good option and played their for club and cork before
Rob o shea could fit in to midfield with Walsh and he's not going to let cork down
Lehane
Harnedy
Coughlan half forward line
Coughlan dropping deep
Full back line is choice between cahalane and Ryan then
No way can Mcdonnell play full back absolutely not

thinkstoomuch1

Orizio wrote: »

Maybe if we get him to piggyback on Cahalane for the puck-outs.

You should should look at the statics v Dublin he actually was among cork top puck out options and is not weak under high ball and very similar to lorcan but actually stronger and more robust than lorcan breaking the tackle

What cork don't need is Walsh centre back with lawton coming in or Paudie who is terrific player but I hope he's not played half forward where he was before
Cronin I hope doesn't go centre back but I belive he's lot offer cork and once fully fit is a tremendous assest to cork in a defined role even as a sub if needs be

Connorzee

Looking at last years intermediate team, what about Jonathan O'Callaghan? I know he was tried a few years ago but there was serious competition for corner back slots. Can also play full back. Famously cleaned a young Joe Canning out at minor level. Worth a shot? Of course Colm Barry and Michael Walsh from that team also...

youngbob

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

It actually would be very logical choice given all injury worries and he's good under the high ball and certainly similar to lorcan and it would be good option and played their for club and cork before
Rob o shea could fit in to midfield with Walsh and he's not going to let cork down
Lehane
Harnedy
Coughlan half forward line
Coughlan dropping deep
Full back line is choice between cahalane and Ryan then
No way can Mcdonnell play full back absolutely not

I think it would be madness to put Dan K anywhere but midfield TTM.He is the fella that sets the tempo of the team. Having O'Shea & Walsh starting there in such a big game is risky. IMO we need to bulk up in forward line so I'd stick with Cooper in HF line.Maybe bring in O'Shea in if Harnedy doesn't make it. As for HB line only make 1 change not switch 2 or 3 players whatever that is JBM should let the player know asap & let him get used to it in training. I know there'll be others say all should be given their chance in training but JBM can always adjust. With so much doubt in Cork's mind in the last two games maybe it would be no harm to have players know where they stand as they go thru their drills in the coming 2wks

CORKDOUBLE

Anthony Nash
Shane O Neill Damien Cahalane Stephen McDonnell
Killian Burke Mark Ellis Cormac Murphy
Daniel Kearney Aidan Walsh
Conor Lehane Seamus Harnedy Bill Cooper
Alan Cadogan Pa Cronin Patrick Horgan.....

subs...Patrick Collins, William Kearney, Colm Spillane , Colm Barry, Jamie Nagle, Patrick O Mahony, Rob O Shea, Michael O Sullivan, John Cronin, Paudie Sullivan, Luke Farrell, Anthony Spillane , Stephen Moylan, Dayne Lee, Pa O Callaghan.....

CORKDOUBLE

Forgot about Jamie Coughlan would have him instead of Pa O Callaghan as it look like we wont see O Callaghan this year in a red jersey ...but please god one day we will see O Callaghan play for Cork ...best of luck to the lad going forward.

thinkstoomuch1

The full back is a huge issue but colm Spillane if fit would be a real solution imo.
It's a risk with colm Spillane in he is just back from injury but he came on for ucc and played the full game for castlelyons Sunday night so he should be training with the seniors and if cork play a challenge match between now and the waterford match and there's rumours of one he should get games time imo once fully fit.

Only worry is injury as he's been on the panel before and unfortunately would be cork starter bar injury
He played cork ist challenge last year v tipp and broke he's nose and then another injury curtailed him but he had a blinding intermediate season with cork at half forward and moved to centre back during the season
He played for cork v Laois in last year league and was a sub v kilkenny the year before so he's been part of the panel so while it's a debut if starts v Waterford he'd imo be familiar with the set up

He played minor and was under twenty one v tipp in cork just year after minor but got injured early in the game in a game cork should won three years ago

He's aggressive and is a ball winner
Huge call now that lorcan is out but there's a few options but their tough calls

You imo have also choices between Ryan Spillane and cahalane who can play full or half back but all have doubts in two just back from injury while Ryan hasn't played their regulary

I'd nearly start Spillane full back and I dont see why he couldn't break even with shanahan even but he's out now it seems
He's able to win ball and loves the physical aspect
He has lost a yard of pace due to injury but he's strong and I'd be surprised if he's taken for goals

At centre back you could start aidan Ryan
He will be fine there and is a strong presence can win ball and is physical
With a sweeper like o shea playing half forward allows kearney drop deep and cover behind him also

The good news is you can switch Spillane and Ryan if needs be
Cahalane could be full and one of Spillane or Ryan at centre
It's a tough call imo between the three but I don't see much options and Spillane has played at every grade for cork and is captain he's club so he imo wouldn't let cork down

But as said by another poster you could start kearney half back.
Ellis and Murphy are more than capable of winning aerial ball and providing the aggression necessary so kearney movement and awareness and reading of the game and pace would compliment the line very well especially should cork also play a sweeper
Ideally Ryan could start with kearney playing midfield but as a sweeper so either or no matter how there selected the need arises kearney will imo have to play deep.

Imo two from cahalane Spillane and Ryan for full back is better than playing Walsh at six and changing the dynamic of the team

Problems is you play Mcdonnell at half back then it becomes a huge problem in cork have to start either Burke or kearney in the corner so you actually start with a full back line with questions over full and corner back
So imo cork have to take a risk at full back but may as well have two experienced corner backs there to support cork line.
Now the huge loss of conor sullivan hits home.
People have Shane o Neill fresh in the memory from tipperary and clare so nobody wants him full but eaten bread is soon forgotten with Mcdonnell
A pundit said cork fans preferred Mcdonnell be full back now
What nonsense as most cork fans don't want maccie within a hundred miles of full back as he was exposed v clare last year for a goal, destroyed by kk in a league final and exposed by Dublin two years ago and there's numerous example of more games particularly wexford last year league where he was absolutely cleaned out under the high ball, taken for a goal, and only for Nash would have been for at least two more.
These people that advocate Mcdonnell need to review old games and it's clear as dawn breaks day he is not or never will be senior full back for cork.

What he is is an outstanding athlete, outstanding hurling, awesome touch for a tall guy, brilliant man markers, great runner with the ball and can play corner or half or even midfield where he's freedom hurling thrives and he was our best player last year but its all wrong all wrong to ask a guy play a position doesn't suit he strength but you actually ruin a corner back that has all star potential and make a great player look remotely poor.

No matter how bad things are you don't destroy confidence him or o Neill like the last two years where having no full back is bad enough but then loosing corner backs in the process makes no sense at all and to put out one fire you don't create another unnecessary one.

Colm Barry should be added to the panel but it's a huge huge ask to start him so young with no league games behind him
At least aidan Ryan has years experience with midelton
Barry is still young with limited cork experience over all
He played full back for club and cork tried him there but dj foran had him in real bother under the high ball

Cork intermediate played him half back where imo he is a different player altogether and outstanding half back
He played half back for Mary I

Cork have some huge calls to make
I didn't think Spillane be ready and not sure if he's fully fit but such cork problems the fact played two games may merit he's looked at
Obviously it's a tricky situation as if there's any risk you will delay he's full recovery by rushing him back then no way can he be risked so it remains to be seen

As far as I know he when he was injured was still part of management plans once fit as was named part of the winter panel but was on the injured list.

Jonathan o callaghan was a good minor indeed and was ever present on last year all Ireland intermediate winning team and was captain.
The only worry I'd have is he won't get much senior exposure with inniscarra playing intermediate in yes colm Spillane is the same but Spillane has played ucc and still does in games that he'll get a profile in and he's training with better players to bring him on

Take aidan Ryan also in comparison.
Ryan and callaghan probably both have the same risk attached to starting them but Ryan has senior experience with midelton and will also likely be playing in business end senior championship and course Wallis coaching will improve he's game no end
Callaghan has ger manly yes a good coach but not anything like Wallis so all those small things help I don't have a problem with lads from junior or intermediate clubs playing as Ellis and harnedy proved it's attainable however they played with ucc and cit and under cunningham and mulchay got exposed to top level coaching to develop their game and callaghan may struggle in this regard in i don't think he's with a college and inniscarra won't be senior for cork

Full back is a huge issue for cork and something management can do for next year is when gunning finished the leaving just meet him and tell him next year he'll get games with cork but won't play him this year but include on training panel as he represents best option for cork coming through and if he was developed Joyce was fit next year colm Spillane was fit you could go from no options to three
Gunning could very well start for na Piarsaigh there as the summer goes on and is one to watch but no harm him training and travelling match days with cork once leaving is done
One player I'm really looking forward to next year or the year after at minor at full back is sean o leary Hayes, this lad even so young has every attributes a full back need, superb reading, strong, commanding in the air, pacey, imo could very well be minor full back soon enough for cork.
Cork development squads are improving but imo what should be some is if the senior know there's a shortage in one particular aera like full or half back of talent coming through they fed this down to the under sixteen and minors coaches and priority focus then is to identify players with Characterics of those roles and their coached and developed that in a few years one or two lads come through with potential to solve the problem
The same should be done regards midfield at football
Kerry do this regularly at underage in focus on aeras senior team they know when players retire may struggle in down the line so in a few years they have developed options and it's not a case of solve a problem when it exists but more have a ready made soultion available when the need arises
While it's important cork live in the here and now you must also put a bit of though in to the future as what you do today will make it easier down the line.

One other point of notice is I read Yesterday cork minor john looney scored six from play in aghada intermediate game.
He was superb last year also and at under twenty one and imo has to start for cork minors v limerick
A big big game player and remarkable consistently good for club or county for a player so young.

It's important cork pick as many minors as they can playing senior or intermediate for club v limerick imo as gives them edge in their hurling at intercounty.

I think cork half back line for one will be much changed for the limerick game
I also think cork will have two changes up front I'd think
Cork team to play limerick has to be stronger than the ist game and I think there should be a few changes as limerick team is going to be much changed from the last cork limerick match in April
If cork pick the strongest team imo they can win
Shane Walsh surely deserves a call up the panel and even if not a starter surely deserves a place as playing senior for club and doing well plus having a great harty cup means he's able for inter county minor imo.
The limerick have forward line of flangan mackey and Ryan possibly are serious players.

N20

Colm Spillane is heading stateside for a month according to his Twitter - so not an option

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

I think it would be madness to put Dan K anywhere but midfield TTM.He is the fella that sets the tempo of the team. Having O'Shea & Walsh starting there in such a big game is risky. IMO we need to bulk up in forward line so I'd stick with Cooper in HF line.Maybe bring in O'Shea in if Harnedy doesn't make it. As for HB line only make 1 change not switch 2 or 3 players whatever that is JBM should let the player know asap & let him get used to it in training. I know there'll be others say all should be given their chance in training but JBM can always adjust. With so much doubt in Cork's mind in the last two games maybe it would be no harm to have players know where they stand as they go thru their drills in the coming 2wks

I'd agree with most of that as there valid points but regards kearney I don't think it will affect cork too much as this particular game will be decided around the middle eight of the field between half back and midfield in that where both lines will have to gain a foothold to dictates their tempo of their game so as they won't be an open free style gung ho all out attack game that kearney will be lost in attacking sense imo playing half back or deep will suffice in its there aera where cork have to gain parity and kearney is good in rucks and scrums for dirty ball it makes sense play him deep as he gets ball like Collins in football or mcbrearty donegal etc or flynn Dublin he can set tempo game as cork will only beat blanket by launching from half back in a smart concise possession orientated game imo where the snipers like lehane harnedy o shea and Murphy and horgan playing deeper can score from distance

Kearney playing deeper won't deprived cork of scoring as we have plenty lads that can score long distance our aim is to get them ball and space
Kearney can set the tempo from deep in this game as most games are launched from half back imo

thinkstoomuch1

N20 wrote: »

Colm Spillane is heading stateside for a month according to his Twitter - so not an option

Thanks for that
That rules that out then
I was hoping that playing for ucc and club Sunday night he was available but it's back to Ryan and cahalane now so and with Waterford missing two forwards probably as good a game to start Ryan and if cork win hopefully then you play him in meaningless munster final so at least he from kk challenge match has four games under he's belt and we should learn more about him
To be fair imo he's done as well as we could of expected considering he had no league behind him and deserve another chance as he done okay imo v Waterford

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Anthony Nash
Shane O Neill Damien Cahalane Stephen McDonnell
Killian Burke Mark Ellis Cormac Murphy
Daniel Kearney Aidan Walsh
Conor Lehane Seamus Harnedy Bill Cooper
Alan Cadogan Pa Cronin Patrick Horgan.....

subs...Patrick Collins, William Kearney, Colm Spillane , Colm Barry, Jamie Nagle, Patrick O Mahony, Rob O Shea, Michael O Sullivan, John Cronin, Paudie Sullivan, Luke Farrell, Anthony Spillane , Stephen Moylan, Dayne Lee, Pa O Callaghan.....

That's a fine panel but Patrick o mahony I don't see the need for him when cork under twenty ones proved not a full back and even struggled for midelton but he's top corner back
Was in America last year I think

He's a corner back by trade but as good as he is cork have o Neill Mcdonnell and Burke and sullivan should be asked back
Kearney I don't see the need also as he's fine club player no doubt but that's not the question
The point is he is not the top four corner backs in cork

If sullivan declined then killan Murphy or even Eoin moyinhan imo are better corner backs for cork

Michael sullivan got goal and two this weekend and another example of a player like cronin who aren't tippy wrist hurlers so jbm doesn't rate but would be ideal for cork and never got games yet others get loads chances

Sullivan actually played well as a sub got a tremendous point v limerick last year league, wasn't worse player v Laois yet subbed and then never got game time after it
He and cronin is what cork need in their runners foragers throw themselves around rucks and mauls and win dirty ball for cadogan horgan lehane etc to score
Jbm mistakes at times is he's fan fast pure hurler and doesn't appreciate other qualities other types of hurlers imo but needs get away from this freestyle thought of hurling imo

Orizio

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

You should should look at the statics v Dublin he actually was among cork top puck out options

Link on Kearney winning puck-outs versus Dublin?

Everyone knows he is good at winning breaking ball, that isn't the point.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.tippsupportersclub.com/all-about-accuracy-as-rebels-make-most-of-chances/

He was second to rob o shea and equal to harnedy and when you look at waterford tipp statics he's four was not far off tipp waterford six in you would not expect kearney to win them but he's not as bad as people think

I don't think he's any worse than lorcan to be honest under high ball but as he's tackling and possession stats show he's able to win ball and when you consider Murphy and Ellis can win high ball as there suited to that and Walsh drop back on waterford puck outs kearney won't be a problem half back

It allows shea play where he's good man on breaking ball and considering three games cork had no shows like tipp in under twenty one then clsre now this final if you look at those games o shea actually got stuck in and played very good particularly that game under twenty one v tipp
He'll mix it also
And as shoot out v Dublin where he got space in the group game showed he can score from distance so o shea similar type to kearney and he's touch etc won't weaken midfield at all as he's similar type player to compliment Walsh

He's possession stats and puck out stats and he's league form shows he should start v Waterford and was an option at half forward but now with lorcan out should start midfield and he's equally at home at midfield or half forward
A very tenacious hurler with a fine touch and can score long distance

Coughlan is also a lad that could do a job half forward or even pa cronin in normally I wouldn't see cronin as a half forward in the modern game where pace is needed the fact that the middle third will be congested cronin ball winning ability at half forward makes this game an exception to the rule

A middle eight of kearney Ellis Murphy Walsh o shea lehane harnedy and cronin certainly can with their strengths touch and pace as a combination get cork primary possession in this sector
Coughlan as I said a viable alternative

Now the dust has settled lorcan injury won't affect cork too much if kearney was there
The good news is lorcan is not out for the year but will be back by the end of June and considering the munster final is the 12th July that's plenty time for him and even cork loose the quatre final is the twenty sixth July around so lorcan thank fully should be fit for then

If cork get over waterford lorcan has time to come back
Full back is still the issue
It's a real test management how they solve full and half back and if they fail cork fail if they suceed so do cork
Interesting times ahead for cork

thinkstoomuch1

https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/2609130743-daniel-kearney-profile/
This is a great read
The statics here shows in the all Ireland final he's a big game player and was also good v Dublin that year

Now as the article said he's five foot nine never meant he dominate high ball but imo not actually that bad under it and as tommy Walsh proved timing and perception has a lot to do with high ball winning also

Kearney played for the sars at half back winning a county and he's like lorcan in he played half back at club then to midfield cork but no reason he can't do lorcan role one game as he's so similar lorcan I said this last two years you can't play lorcan and kearney together in midfield there too alike imo

Kearney pace so good and he's like an opens side seven in rugby on loose ball he'll imo win that can use he's pace to break out defence and thus create off loads to space for cork to score or indeed go shot himself

Cork to win needs snipers in the long grass and kearney and Murphy half back give cork huge scoring from half back when they get possession so unlike other defenders where you can stand off them to a point and let them shoot as you know they will miss and just cover the revicers these have to be marked as they will score so waterford marking them creates space for lehane harnedy o shea etc one cork have a system devised to play this middle eight as a unit and not just individuals
That requires coaching drills and focus in training

A lot of ball will be played in cork half back line so kearney won't be bypassed at all

Kearney hooking and blocking are ideal for half back
Against tipp last year I felt in a bad performance he was one of few players performed well
He is tough and robust and had the balls courage conviction in splendid interview say referring cork is soft and needs be tougher and v kilmallock in the club game late on he put thunderous challenge shows won't shy away from physical side it and more importantly is tough from the inside out

He was poor v Waterford in the league final and imo emphasis cork overall in he showed little hunger or want but having done it all last year in the big games the year before in all Ireland finals and semi and v tipp in humiliation last year he's imo outstanding player but when you see off game v Waterford it showed imo clear lack focus cork had for that game as kearney even in defeats always carries with harnedy cork forward
Even harnedy by he's own standard that game was quiet so two reliable cotk playing below par showed imo cork will be completely different team in June

The injury concerns are huge however if management don't panic and solve this right cork could be okay but we'll know Thursday night cork team when named
I'm a firm beliver always that when teams are announced you hsve an idea your teams chances and style of play on match day
A bit like a horse in a race, he's chances will vary according in who's he's jockey
You put ruby Walsh up on a half decent horse he'll win or you put a poor jockey up on favourite he'll loose

At first glance I understand people may see no way kearney at half back but when it's given thought it actually is a very very good option that the other poster said when he said kearney at half back