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S506 - Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken - Have Read the Books

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Zemuppet

Interesting episode, loved the barbed encounter between Cersei and Olenna

Kirby

So thats what the bodies were for. Cant see it catching on in Hollywood. Would put too many in make-up out of a job. :P

Daith

Bowed, Bent, Broken?

blatantrereg

yuck

podgemonster

A solid episode there, plenty of story line movement and a break from the Wall. The highlight for me was the relationship being developed between Jorah and Tyrion, they understand each other and have come to respect each other. Some real panic from Tyrion there as he nearly got sliced!

The Kings Landing scenes were excellent again, I enjoyed the two meetings with Cersei. Littlefinger is playing her like fiddle while Olenna is screaming at her about what an idiot she is being. It will all come crashing down soon enough. Tommens frustratingly timid for my liking, would have preferred if Cersei hushed him rather than him being so cowardly.

Bronn's is a treasure, singing, kicking ass, getting a few digs in against the most disappointing characters this season "The Sand Snakes". Terrible actresses, a sellsword and a fúckin one armed man hold them off. While Oberyns missus sends them out likes shes fúckin Napoleon. I don't expect much of a reception for them in the non-readers thread. However I found Tristane and Mycrella relationship quite sweet, something not often seen in the show. I think Doran recognizes that too.

Finally the part of the episode that (intentionally) leaves a nasty bitter taste in the mouth: Winterfell. At first we see Sansa get an upper hand on Myranda but with the washing away of her black dye we see the quelled Sansa we saw in previous seasons. The scene is tastefully done and Theon's horrified expression is enough for us to know what Ramsay is doing. It just breaks my heart seeing another Stark being abused. Surely we'll see some retribution this season.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

I'm gutted for Sansa. I feel in the books that she's one of the main heroes, but for her to be defiled in such a way weakens the character - I hope she can come back from it stronger.

Great to see Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Adebisi from Oz/Mr. Eko from LOST) and Dublin lad Michael Yare as the Slavers.

Daith

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

I'm gutted for Sansa. I feel in the books that she's one of the main heroes, but for her to be defiled in such a way weakens the character - I hope she can come back from it stronger.

It could have been alot worse.

People said she was strong against Myranda but after Myranda left she was clearly rattled.

I wonder if the Godswood will come into play? Is there a heart tree/weirdwood there? Maybe Bran might make a cameo

[Deleted User]

Another week, another case of weak writing with a lot of the nonsensical plotlines coming to a head. This might be the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Jaime and Bronn just ride into a place with the heads of the Martell family are all holed up. Then fight the Sand-Snakes in broad daylight. I mean just what? The only thing that redeemed it somewhat was that Bronn is still funny. Everything in that scene had a soap opera feel about it and it's hard to see how they can write themselves out of that one now with Jaime in captivity when clearly Doran would just sentence him to death for what he has done. I hope that it turns out Dorne's masterplan isn't just another Littlefinger masterplan i.e. long winded contrived bullshít.

Littlefinger then. Was his plan all along to screw over Sansa? More weak writing, certainly likely to go absolutely nowhere in the grand scheme of things and not sure it fits in with Sansa or Littlefinger's character to allow such a situation to happen. What was the point in building up Sansa's character last season for that to be the payoff?! It's like there's no long term thinking about plotlines and they meet at the start of each season and divvy up plots out of a hat for everyone who's not Tyrion, Jon and Dany who they have to have trucking in a certain direction.

Really not sure what way the show is going at all and it's definitely becoming more like a mature soap opera in general with no solid character arcs and just one random event happening after another.

Daith

The Dorne scenes are very disjointed. They don't even feel connected to the main show. The fight scene was poor and resembled a bad 80s ninja film.

Aero Hotah and Doran are fine though.

podgemonster

Dorne scenes have the same cheap feel of the Xena Warrior Princess series.

Daith

podgemonster wrote: »

Dorne scenes have the same cheap feel of the Xena Warrior Princess series.

Yes that's exactly it.

RollieFingers

That was a ****e episode, not loving this season so far apart from the scenes at the Wall! Still have faith that hopefully it can have a strong finish, I've no problem with the deviations from the book, everything just seems really disjointed, not much flow to the episodes!

Hans Bricks

Am i the only one who just couldn't give a rats arse about Arya's stroyline ? Where is it going, even bookwise ? For me, she's just become more or less irrelevant to the plotlines in Westeros. I'm expecting a major underwhelming payoff to her arc with the Faceless Men.

I reckon Bronn has been poisoned with that slice on his arm. There were cryptic clues in that song he was singing on the way to the Water Gardens. But the Dorne plotline is really disappointing for me this far. The sand snakes are actually just irritating. I hope Jaime and Bronn don't spend the entire season there, either get Myrcella and get on with it. Took four episodes just to get to the kip.

But the trial of the Tyrells and Sansa's predicament were well done. I can't wait to see Cersei's smug satisfaction get wiped from her face when her walk of shame is due. Olenna is the dog's bollox.

I'm just glad the writers didn't make Theon go down on Sansa.

Daith

The Sand Snakes are pretty **** in the books too. Don't know why everyone was making a fuss about them. Oberyn they ain't.

I wonder if the Arya story will introduce her warging? Pretty easy not to do it but they are going with the whole no one thing.

GerB40

If you take Oleanna Tyrell out of that episode I reckon it's probably the weakest one in a while. The writers are trying to pack far too much into each episode leaving them feel all over the place. The show is starting to suffer from only having 10 episodes per season but there's nothing that can be done about that. I'm losing interest in the show and so are my non reader friends, hopefully the last for episodes can salvage what has been a pretty poor season so far..

Hans Bricks

GerB40 wrote: »

If you take Oleanna Tyrell out of that episode I reckon it's probably the weakest one in a while. The writers are trying to pack far too much into each episode leaving them feel all over the place. The show is starting to suffer from only having 10 episodes per season but there's nothing that can be done about that. I'm losing interest in the show and so are my non reader friends, hopefully the last for episodes can salvage what has been a pretty poor season so far..

Production runs from July to November/early December. Seasons don't premiere until the middle of April. Surely they have more than enough time to produce two to three more episodes and even get post-production done / finish it off before the tenth episode premieres in June ?

blatantrereg

Yes. The later books were not as good either imo. Daenerys thread is still interesting in the show at a stage I had been getting bored of it in the books.

E05 was good though.

podgemonster

Liam O wrote: »

Littlefinger then. Was his plan all along to screw over Sansa? More weak writing, certainly likely to go absolutely nowhere in the grand scheme of things and not sure it fits in with Sansa or Littlefinger's character to allow such a situation to happen. What was the point in building up Sansa's character last season for that to be the payoff?! It's like there's no long term thinking about plotlines and they meet at the start of each season and divvy up plots out of a hat for everyone who's not Tyrion, Jon and Dany who they have to have trucking in a certain direction.

It's been stated already by the man himself that he thrives on Chaos. His plan is to keep the realm at war and keep slowly moving up his ladder. He's playing all sides of the Realm.

He has handed Bolton Sansa, the key to North, should Bolton hold Winterfell from Stannis, nothing changes and LF still has Roose's favour. But Bolton would be deeply weakened by Stannis. An untouched, unblooded Eeyrie army from the south could decimate the North and give LF the North if he wanted but he'd much prefer to manipulate Cersei to lead her troops North and if the Lions win, he'd still be made Warden North. If the Lannister army fails, LF and Bolton & the Freys could take the East making LF Warden of the East.

Cersei thinks him to be a loyal Lord also by feeding her information and false promises. Pushing the Lannister army past the neck is potential suicide for them and LF knows it, Cersei doesn't. He also has the vital information on the real culprit for Joffreys death to destroy the Tyrell Lannister alliance but i think he knows that that is happening already.

If Stannis ousts Bolton, Sansa will vouce for Littlefinger as her saviour and friend. Sansa is key to LF alliance to Stannis. All he'd need for in exchange for an alliance would be Sansa's hand in marriage again making him Warden of the North.

Littlefinger is perfectly poised to be in a good position should any of the kingdoms go to war. All he has to do is sit back and wait for a victor and either form an alliance or finish them off.

FunLover18

Was anyone else expecting Theon to rescue Sansa and maybe stab Ramsay at the end of that. I was egging him on. Really disappointed with how Sansa dealt with that, we had her getting all these pep talks with LF about lying and manipulation and her talk with Myranda I really hoping she was going to come into her against Ramsay.

I can't wait for the Tyrells to turn the High Sparrow on Cersei, that is going to be so satisfying.

Have to agree that this is the weakest season so far.

FunLover18

I also liked the confirmation that Arya didn't kill The Hound.

theteal

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Dublin lad Michael Yare as the Slavers.

Thank you, I couldn't put my finger on why I recognised him. I played schoolboy football with Yare back in the day. Sound lad.

Anyway, I didn't hate that episode. I do have a query about Margaery's trial coming up. The claims against her were completely fabricated in the book. She's properly guilty of the crime she accused of in the show. T'will be interesting to see what happens.

EagererBeaver

podgemonster wrote: »

Dorne scenes have the same cheap feel of the Xena Warrior Princess series.

This. A million times this.

The Arianne/Arys/Myrcella/Darkstar angle is one of the best in the whole series to date. What the show has given us in place of it is very poor in my opinion.

[Deleted User]

podgemonster wrote: »

It's been stated already by the man himself that he thrives on Chaos. His plan is to keep the realm at war and keep slowly moving up his ladder. He's playing all sides of the Realm.

He has handed Bolton Sansa, the key to North, should Bolton hold Winterfell from Stannis, nothing changes and LF still has Roose's favour. But Bolton would be deeply weakened by Stannis. An untouched, unblooded Eeyrie army from the south could decimate the North and give LF the North if he wanted but he'd much prefer to manipulate Cersei to lead her troops North and if the Lions win, he'd still be made Warden North. If the Lannister army fails, LF and Bolton & the Freys could take the East making LF Warden of the East.

Cersei thinks him to be a loyal Lord also by feeding her information and false promises. Pushing the Lannister army past the neck is potential suicide for them and LF knows it, Cersei doesn't. He also has the vital information on the real culprit for Joffreys death to destroy the Tyrell Lannister alliance but i think he knows that that is happening already.

If Stannis ousts Bolton, Sansa will vouce for Littlefinger as her saviour and friend. Sansa is key to LF alliance to Stannis. All he'd need for in exchange for an alliance would be Sansa's hand in marriage again making him Warden of the North.

Littlefinger is perfectly poised to be in a good position should any of the kingdoms go to war. All he has to do is sit back and wait for a victor and either form an alliance or finish them off.

He could have done that without throwing Sansa to the dogs though and probably will now in the books. Stannis will be seiging Winterfell with a weakened force and Bolton will be weak too even if he wins the battle of ice. It destroys Sansa's arc and all good characters in this universe have had a consistent enough arc. Right now all of Sansa's last season is pointless and stinks of bad planning.

Without the Lannisters onside the Boltons have nothing with the North against them and Littlefinger would see no need to give up his ace in Sansa to get them onside and could have just fed false intel to Cersei if he's going to turn her against the North and take it himself which seems to be the case.

Edit: I didn't deal with the Stannis thing. Sansa is the rightful heir to Winterfell as far as anyone knows. That would be enough for Stannis to put her there and he's jeopardised that by having her marry the family who killed her family. Another wrong. Stannis is purely about right and wrong and knows what Littlefinger is about. He's not for turning.

jebidiah

I'm. Done.

Totally ****ed up way to get Theon Motivated to free Sansa.

That's ****ed. Too far I think

podgemonster

Liam O wrote: »

He could have done that without throwing Sansa to the dogs though and probably will now in the books. Stannis will be seiging Winterfell with a weakened force and Bolton will be weak too even if he wins the battle of ice. It destroys Sansa's arc and all good characters in this universe have had a consistent enough arc. Right now all of Sansa's last season is pointless and stinks of bad planning.

Without the Lannisters onside the Boltons have nothing with the North against them and Littlefinger would see no need to give up his ace in Sansa to get them onside and could have just fed false intel to Cersei if he's going to turn her against the North and take it himself which seems to be the case.

Edit: I didn't deal with the Stannis thing. Sansa is the rightful heir to Winterfell as far as anyone knows. That would be enough for Stannis to put her there and he's jeopardised that by having her marry the family who killed her family. Another wrong. Stannis is purely about right and wrong and knows what Littlefinger is about. He's not for turning.

I am getting the impression you think Littlefinger may have an emotional attachment to Sansa. I don't think so, I believe he sees her as an important piece for him to play with and a good bargaining chip. He knows the Boltons are cruel but not stupid, he knows she'll be mistreated but also knows they aren't dumb enough to kill the only Stark left.

A consistent arc? This is Westoros, all characters are faced with setbacks. You could tell at her wedding she knew what horror happens afterwards. She developed her ability to manipulate in season 3 but she's now surrounded by enemies and has to play carefully. She knows how to get to Ramsay (Roose's Wife), she already got to Myranda and she knows she has the support of the smallfolk. There's another character with an incomplete arc and that is Theon/Reek, she maybe able to offer him redemption. There's still a lot that can happen at Winterfell and we are only 60% of the way through the season. I doubt Lady Sansa will spend the next 4 episodes lying on her back.

Stannis may dispise Littlefinger but an alliance with the Eeyrie would mean a good launch point for his ships and avoiding the Twins and the Riverlands. He accepted oaths of alliegances from Renly loyalists and was prepared to align with Mance, I'd imagine common sense would prevail.

As Littlefinger said himself "The last time the lords of North and Eerie joined forces they brought down the greatest dynasty ever know"

Duckworth_Luas

On the landing beach Bron said, "that would have been a $hit way to die", when he killed the snake before it could bite and poison Jaime.

He has now, most probably, been poisoned by the Sand Snake.

The good news is that killing off all these characters creates more space to explore the fascinating love story that is blossoming between Missandei and the guy who has already met a cock merchant.

Jon Stark

Pretty disgusted at that ending, I can only hope Sansa remains "unbroken" as the title says.

I'm not confident though, as even though Sansa swept aside Myranda, she very much had the look of someone there with Ramsey who knew she was in trouble.

FFS like, can we not be given a ****ing break for once with this show?

mrkite77

Daith wrote: »

I wonder if the Arya story will introduce her warging? Pretty easy not to do it but they are going with the whole no one thing.

I doubt it.. they seem to have dropped the direwolves completely. Plus hadn't she already been blinded by this point? So I guess they're not doing that part of it.

mewso

Maybe this has been discussed before but in the books it makes perfect sense that Bolton, with the Lanisters' knowledge, would marry a fake stark to legitimise his claim to the north but in the show marrying the actual Sansa Stark would put the Boltons in big trouble with the folks in Kings Landing. Or has Littlefinger made them think it's authorised? Am I missing something?

hstlefay

I cant understand why they thought it'd be a good idea to reverse Sansa's storyline after all the build up and progress she's made. Why bother letting her escape Joff/Kings Landing only to have this happen to her anyway? How did the rape really further the plot? We already hated Ramsey! Suppose it was too much to hope for Stannis to get there in time

Alfie and Sophie were perfect this week though.

Also: I keep forgetting there even is the Dornish plot and the Sand Snakes are embarassing.