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Buer

dregin wrote: »

It's going very seriuos FAR too often of late!

Ah, it's good to have a bit more of a topical debate away from rugby. You know the posters here and respect them. You don't have to go out into the other areas of the site where there are more trolls congregating.

Also, I like getting another view of posters. We've a very narrow exposure to one another's views when they're solely based on rugby. I might think a certain poster is an arseh*le but seeing their comments on something else can prompt me to realise how hasty I can be.

dregin

awec wrote: »

Off Topic thread is very profound today...

It's going very seriuos FAR too often of late!

Tox56

molloyjh wrote: »

My uncle is currently very close to that situation. He doesn't have any sympathy for himself. He knowingly put himself in that position and realises now that he's paying the price. It is sad, just like this news story is sad. We all feel for his family and for my mother and her family. At the same time, like he himself, we all acknowledge that he did it to himself. I feel bad for him without feeling sympathy per se. In much the same way I do for this girl.

It depends on the situation I suppose, but if someone has been smoking 40 a day for decades fully knowing what they're doing the whole time it's hard to have a huge amount of sympathy, but I think that is different to a young person who takes ecstacy once every now and then at a club or festival or something. Yes you should know the dangers, but you have to be so seriously unlucky to die from taking a normal dose, i don't think it's directly comparable

Pudsy33

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is the argument to decriminalise and regulate...

Totally agree

Swiwi.

.ak wrote: »

Each to their own, I just think that it's a very sad and cold thing not to feel sympathy for someone in that situation.

I mean, if the likelihood of dying from a pill is less than being killed in a bus crash, are we supposed to not feel sympathy for people who use buses?

My sympathy would extend so far. However, if other people get blamed for the death (the parents, the drug dealer, the nightclub owner, the government etc) it goes too far. I'm with Interested Observer that at some point personal responsibility and the consequences of ones actions comes into it too.

.ak

Swiwi. wrote: »

A few joints many years ago were the limits of my illicit drug experiences, nowadays no chance I'd dabble, could lose my job even if being used recreationally in my own free time.

Happy just to indulge my ethanol habit tbh. I also have a penchant for caffeine.

Try ether, it's the next ethanol.

.ak

Each to their own, I just think that it's a very sad and cold thing not to feel sympathy for someone in that situation.

I mean, if the likelihood of dying from a pill is less than being killed in a bus crash, are we supposed to not feel sympathy for people who use buses?

Swiwi.

.ak wrote: »

Cool, Swiwi is gonna do drugs this weekend!

A few joints many years ago were the limits of my illicit drug experiences, nowadays no chance I'd dabble, could lose my job even if being used recreationally in my own free time.

Happy just to indulge my ethanol habit tbh. I also have a penchant for caffeine.

molloyjh

.ak wrote: »

Even so, it's a dangerous product, and even more so, they KNOW the damage it does. Just like smokers.

I wonder if a loved one of the poster's died due to smoke related cancer would they still have no sympathy?

My uncle is currently very close to that situation. He doesn't have any sympathy for himself. He knowingly put himself in that position and realises now that he's paying the price. It is sad, just like this news story is sad. We all feel for his family and for my mother and her family. At the same time, like he himself, we all acknowledge that he did it to himself. I feel bad for him without feeling sympathy per se. In much the same way I do for this girl.

.ak

Swiwi. wrote: »

Alcohol is not dangerous in moderation, in fact probably beneficial.

Even a little bit of cocaine can be fatal.

I very much doubt this girl was a hardcore druggie, just terrible luck, and if it was one of my daughters I'd be devastated (plus wondering what the hell a 9, 6 or 2 1/2 year old was doing taking ecstasy...).

I can never really muster the energy to debate whether certain drugs should or shouldn't be decriminalised (or measured in grams LOL...), I'd have to look more into it for ecstasy before forming a solid opinion.

Cool, Swiwi is gonna do drugs this weekend!

Swiwi.

.ak wrote: »

Even so, it's a dangerous product, and even more so, they KNOW the damage it does. Just like smokers.

I wonder if a loved one of the poster's died due to smoke related cancer would they still have no sympathy?

Alcohol is not dangerous in moderation, in fact probably beneficial.

Even a little bit of cocaine can be fatal.

I very much doubt this girl was a hardcore druggie, just terrible luck, and if it was one of my daughters I'd be devastated (plus wondering what the hell a 9, 6 or 2 1/2 year old was doing taking ecstasy...).

I can never really muster the energy to debate whether certain drugs should or shouldn't be decriminalised (or measured in grams LOL...), I'd have to look more into it for ecstasy before forming a solid opinion.

.ak

Pudsy33 wrote: »

One pint, or one cigarette, isn't going to kill you though. You know the damage it does long term and you can weigh up the pros and cons.

On the other hand, one dodgy incident with drugs can be fatal. Whatever about MDMA being safe, you have no idea what else is in there.

Nobody has one cigarette though do they? I mean the effect is the same; there's a danger associated (and in both cases the danger from cigarettes and alcohol is far greater than MDMA) and yet people will still abuse them.

If someone dies from that it's absolutely tragic, and the sympathy should not be lessoned. I think that's the original point that started this conversation.

[Deleted User]

Pudsy33 wrote: »

One pint, or one cigarette, isn't going to kill you though. You know the damage it does long term and you can weigh up the pros and cons.

On the other hand, one dodgy incident with drugs can be fatal. Whatever about MDMA being safe, you have no idea what else is in there.

Which is the argument to decriminalise and regulate...

awec

Off Topic thread is very profound today...

Pudsy33

.ak wrote: »

Even so, it's a dangerous product, and even more so, they KNOW the damage it does. Just like smokers.

I wonder if a loved one of the poster's died due to smoke related cancer would they still have no sympathy?

One pint, or one cigarette, isn't going to kill you though. You know the damage it does long term and you can weigh up the pros and cons.

On the other hand, one dodgy incident with drugs can be fatal. Whatever about MDMA being safe, you have no idea what else is in there.

stephen_n

CatFromHue wrote: »

alcohol is a regulated industry/product though.

Indeed it is and it's also a drug, one which costs the state far more every year through abuse and misuse than all the other drugs put together. Lack of control and regulation of "recreational drugs", leads to 100's of unnecessary deaths every year, it's abdication of responsibility by the state to regulate and control the sale and supply, leaving it instead in the hands of as someone so eloquently put it "scumbags" to control who don't really care about end users.

.ak

CatFromHue wrote: »

alcohol is a regulated industry/product though.

Even so, it's a dangerous product, and even more so, they KNOW the damage it does. Just like smokers.

I wonder if a loved one of the poster's died due to smoke related cancer would they still have no sympathy?

CatFromHue

alcohol is a regulated industry/product though.

stephen_n

Deleted User wrote: »

It scares me that this attitude is still so prevalent: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95513757

64 people thanking the post, I bet most of them went out drinking this weekend too.

dregin

.ak wrote: »

That's a bizarre situation... still not sure how it's related to the discussion though!

Drugs lead to you associating with scumbags.

Swiwi.

My 2c. On the one hand I feel genuine remorse for the girl and her family. I remember myself drinking not far off a bottle of whiskey in a small timeframe, the night ending up crashed at my hall of residence with copious amounts of vomit - I guess I could have gone out like a rock star, drowned in my own vomit. Of course, I was 18 (legal age in NZ for alc) and alcohol is not an illegal substance.

On the other hand, it's pretty foolhardy to swallow 3 tablets of ectasy from an uncontrolled source. I doubt there is strictly enforced "quality control" for such drugs, and with money being the bottom line, corners in safety will be cut. The risks are small, but they exist, and are entirely avoidable. There is no obligation to swallow pills to enjoy a night out. In general, ecstasy is probably not that dangerous, cocaine is to be avoided at all costs imo. However, if you take illicit drugs, you can't really complain if it turns pear-shaped, buyer beware and all that.

Podge_irl

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Are you the interviewer or the interviewee?

Interviewee. All over now anyway.

Was an internal thing (for a big step up) and both interviewers sit within 10m of me in the office. Really unsure if that made it easier or harder. I find it impossible to judge how these things went so I'm gonna overly critically self analyse it for a couple hours then get drunk and all will be well with the world tomorrow.

.ak

dregin wrote: »

Maybe not a psychological stepping stone, but a mate's dealer "accidentally" put a bit of heroin in with his weed. He thought nothing of it at the time, but hit some rough **** and decided to smoke it. Ended up OD'ing.

That's a bizarre situation... still not sure how it's related to the discussion though!

dregin

.ak wrote: »

That's terrible for them, if that's the case, but they'd be the exception rather than the rule.

A study was done recently about the effects of addiction from drug use. Only a tiny minority of people become addicted after recreational drug use. The idea that the 'lighter' drugs are a stepping stone to the harder stuff is a myth.

Maybe not a psychological stepping stone, but a mate's dealer "accidentally" put a bit of heroin in with his weed. He thought nothing of it at the time, but hit some rough **** and decided to smoke it. Ended up OD'ing.

Fireball07

molloyjh wrote: »

And potentially a guy doing 3 times the speed limit could make it home safe every day. The real world doesn't deal in "potential" though. It deals in reality. And the reality is, as you said, that these pills are dangerous. We all know it. We can't avoid the warnings. Be they in school, on TV or through personal experience.

They guy doing 3 times the speed limit could behave in the exact same way every day and get away with it. But the increased level of risk is such that he's putting himself in danger every single time he does it. And if he does crash and kill himself he'd have nobody but himself to blame because he was being irresponsible, reckless and downright dangerous.

The reality is that messing around with illegal substances as it stands right now is irresponsible, reckless and downright dangerous. We all know it.

The thing is... thousands of pills are undoubtedly taken every night, if not more, with no real adverse effects. It wouldn't be my thing really but on any sort of night out, you see people on pills (it's very noticeable) or people looking to buy them. And it is quite easy to buy them in a nightclub, whatever about at home.

I don't know about responsibility, some pills are bound to be dodgy but the percentage that actually does harm is very small and if you already have a couple of drinks in you and the music is playing, taking a pill will seem like the smartest idea in the world. And worst is people who end up taking 2, 3 or 4 to really get the buzz; which is almost certainly dangerous but they probably wouldn't even think about. People have always made bad decisions when not in full control of their senses.

I don't know what the solution is, there is an inherent risk in taking drugs for sure, but that risk seems so miniscule that I doubt it really affects many people's decisions.

irishbucsfan

Podge_irl wrote: »

I hate job interviews. I could do with some yokes I'm tellin ya.

Are you the interviewer or the interviewee?

Burgo

Podge_irl wrote: »

I hate job interviews. I could do with some yokes I'm tellin ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVp9rKF3hag

molloyjh

Deleted User wrote: »

....your suggestion infers that we should simply submit to the whim of the state instead of asking for it to do better.

You're looking far beyond the limits of what I'm discussing there. I'm simply talking about that linked post and the lack of sympathy for the individual concerned. I have limited sympathy because of the reality of the situation as it currently stands. Beyond that I don't have enough knowledge to comment any further or even hold an opinion on the matter in a broader context.

I do get what you're saying though and from a totally ignorant viewpoint don't disagree at all.

[Deleted User]

Podge_irl wrote: »

I hate job interviews. I could do with some yokes I'm tellin ya.

They're just chats really. They want you to work for them, and want to make sure you fit in.

Getting the interview is the tough part, just got to talk for a bit about how you've got to where you are, and where you think you're interested in 'going'.

Chill.

Podge_irl

I hate job interviews. I could do with some yokes I'm tellin ya.