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Zzippy

I refuse to even try it. Know a guy who's a craft brewer - has huge problems trying to get his beer into pubs cos the big hitters like Diageo and Heineken offer free kegs to publicans who remove craft beer taps... now they're mass producing these beers and trying to market them as craft beers too :rolleyes:

awec

Always wondered why Diageo haven't been properly tackled for their monopolistic position in Ireland.

Teferi

Ah Hop House 13 is grand. Fairly light and bland, it doesn't offer a very complex taste but its a nice easy drinker if you're in a pub which doesn't have any selection beyond the usual tap assortment.

.ak

I tell you what is delicious though... The Guinness Dublin porter. I was surprised by it. Not trying to be crafty or anything, just a really good 'commercial' porter with a lot of the same notes of Guinness. Very drinkable.

awec

Does anyone here have Sky in their apartment?

mfceiling

awec wrote: »

Does anyone here have Sky in their apartment?

If they do then their roof is fcuked...

Stheno

Teferi wrote: »

Ah Hop House 13 is grand. Fairly light and bland, it doesn't offer a very complex taste but its a nice easy drinker if you're in a pub which doesn't have any selection beyond the usual tap assortment.

It's dreadful insipid stuff imo smithwicks pale ale while not much better is what ohs son chose today

I'd one pint of hop house and thought it foul and I've drank everything from weissbeers to bishops finger to chocolate stout

Teferi

Stheno wrote: »

It's dreadful insipid stuff imo smithwicks pale ale while not much better is what ohs son chose today

I'd one pint of hop house and thought it foul and I've drank everything from weissbeers to bishops finger to chocolate stout

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't have strong feelings on it tbh. It's a beer aimed at the broadest amount of peoples tastes while being marketed as 'craft' so you're going to get a fairly bland drink. I find it perfectly acceptable for what it is.

Dave_The_Sheep

awec wrote: »

Does anyone here have Sky in their apartment?

I do yeah, though I'm not sure if it's an apartment or a duplex. Top two floors, end of a terrace. That count?

awec

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

I do yeah, though I'm not sure if it's an apartment or a duplex. Top two floors, end of a terrace. That count?

Sounds like a converted house?

I'm wondering how it works in an actual apartment building. If there is a communal dish do they need to drill holes or anything, or does it just work like UPC.

CatFromHue

Yeah I think there has to be a communal dish for Sky.

I know in my brothers place it was mentioned but the person in the penthouse apt, where it would have to installed on, wasn't too keen on it so that was the end of that!

[Deleted User]

It scares me that this attitude is still so prevalent: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95513757

Dave_The_Sheep

awec wrote: »

Sounds like a converted house?

I'm wondering how it works in an actual apartment building. If there is a communal dish do they need to drill holes or anything, or does it just work like UPC.

http://photos-a.propertyimages.ie/media/4/1/4/2778414/Front%20View_l.JPG

The white part of that, one/two windows back.

I have a dish on the side - there was a dish there when I moved in, and I had that atken down, the Sky one went in, away I went. That as all it was.

I lived in an actual apartment block before though, where it was a communal thing. The whole block was set for sky, and you just plugged the cable in, and fired your card into the box.

Synode

Deleted User wrote: »

It scares me that this attitude is still so prevalent: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95513757

Read that earlier. Shocking attitude

CatFromHue

Why though?

Synode

Because anyone who can't express sympathy for someone who has died is a sad individual. Did you do anything stupid when you were 18? Not to mention the fact that drugs are taken everywhere in Ireland. The government and people need to to stop pretending this isn't happening and come up with new and better strategies for tackling it

CatFromHue

I'm sorry the person died but I'm also quite cynical.

I just don't trust anything that is unregulated, like the black market drugs are, and I sure as hell don't trust pills. They're just so dodgy, I mean a big pharma company though they'd everything figured out with a pill for a heart drug but it ended up giving all the guys boners!!!

[Deleted User]

CatFromHue wrote: »

Why though?

I kind of agree. I feel a lot of sympathy for her family obviously but it seems to me in Ireland these days that personal responsibility is going out the window. Sometimes people make really bad choices that have consequences.

Wang King

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm sorry the person died but I'm also quite cynical.

I just don't trust anything that is unregulated, like the black market drugs are, and I sure as hell don't trust pills. They're just so dodgy, I mean a big pharma company though they'd everything figured out with a pill for a heart drug but it ended up giving all the guys boners!!!

I'd call that a "win-win" situation

.ak

I think it is a shocking attitude also. Recreational drug use has been a habit of humans for hundreds, if not thousands of years. It's part of us, it's part of our vices, whether we like it or not. And it will continue to be.

If you're part of this generation and frequent clubs/gigs and you HAVEN'T done a pill or MDMA then you're probably in the minority.

The fact is most young people do them, I know a lot of people who don't drink but will do MDMA because they consider it safer. That's the sort of attitude we're dealing with. People are taking these drugs in an environment where they're considered safe, and their peers consider them safe because they have experience with them, they're cheap too. They cost between €5-10 for a pill and for an 18 year old like Ana she'd only need the one for the night.

So what does this mean? Demand. The problem with that is you get Cowboys making these things. For those that don't know a pill is supposed to be MDMA and usually a bonding agent, but primarily MDMA. Now adays only about 10% of the pill is MDMA and the rest is garbage, yet they're 'stronger' than they were 10 years ago. You do the math. When possible these kids should be buying pure MDMA and not pills and to buy test kits, they're cheap and can be bought on eBay. IF they're going to do them they should be safe.

Was a gun pointed at Ana's head? No. Was she forced into doing it? No. Did she feel safe doing it? Probably. At the end of the day it's an on going investigation so we cannot speculate, but speaking from experience a lot of young people do their research before they put anything into their body, and I suppose one telling stat you get straight away is the recorded deaths from alcohol vs MDMA.

I think if you're educated on the culture here you'd also be shocked at that posters attitude and the amount of thanks the post received, very sad and telling of how backwards this country can be. It's an indictment of the government too, these things need to be regulated before it's safe.

[Deleted User]

I know I'm cherry picking here but I'm on my phone and editing posts is a nightmare, but...

The fact is most young people do pills or MDMA? Any figures or anything to support this? Certainly not my experience of growing up.

.ak

Interested Observer wrote: »

I know I'm cherry picking here but I'm on my phone and editing posts is a nightmare, but...

The fact is most young people do pills or MDMA? Any figures or anything to support this? Certainly not my experience of growing up.

Well that's not what I said.. I said:

If you're part of this generation and frequent clubs/gigs and you HAVEN'T done a pill or MDMA then you're probably in the minority.

I have over 10 years experience in the club industry, all over Ireland and abroad, and I can tell you from that experience that you'd be hard pushed to find someone that's not on some sort of recreational drug in clubs. Go to a festival, any Irish festival, even the 'family friendly ones' and you keep an eye out for it. You're eyes will be opened quite quickly. It seems to be a fact that a lot of the country turn a blind eye to - because in most situations it is harmless - but not in all cases, like this one, and that's when it highlights turning a blind eye to it doesn't work.

I don't think they should be banned, but I do think they need to be regulated. Banning them just makes them more dangerous.

errlloyd

Plenty of my friends did pills but it was easy enough to avoid them. I guess they'd hit some social groups where there would be almost 100 percent uptake, but they'd completely avoid other groups. I know a guy who got into them by pming someone in after hours and arranging to buy them here on boards. (then meeting up and exchanging cash in person). That's kinda how easy it was.

I believe drugs should stay illegal tbh. There is a lot of love for decriminalisation on here, but I just find them distasteful. Maybe I just never liked the clique of people who I knew who took them.

Podge_irl

When you say clubs what exactly do you mean ak? Genuinely curious, I wouldn't have a scooby about this kind of thing.

Burgo

.ak wrote: »

Well that's not what I said.. I said:

I don't think they should be banned, but I do think they need to be regulated. Banning them just makes them more dangerous.

But they area banned already.

Stheno

Podge_irl wrote: »

When you say clubs what exactly do you mean ak? Genuinely curious, I wouldn't have a scooby about this kind of thing.

Same here if my life depended on it I'd not even know where to buy drugs

[Deleted User]

Rugby is more dangerous than ecstasy in fairness...

dregin

Zzippy wrote: »

I refuse to even try it. Know a guy who's a craft brewer - has huge problems trying to get his beer into pubs cos the big hitters like Diageo and Heineken offer free kegs to publicans who remove craft beer taps... now they're mass producing these beers and trying to market them as craft beers too :rolleyes:

Same. Can't WAIT until the Irish Craft Brewers bring out the label branding them as such and advertise the living whit out of it.

Buer

I think you're making a massive assumption there, .ak, when you say:

The fact is most young people do them

Most young people in a particular social circle do them, largely concentrated around the club scene (as opposed to your average Saturday night in the local nightclub where people take them but far fewer). You can go to clubs or gigs and not encounter anyone taking pills. I know a few of my friends did them, on occasion, but the majority of us didn't and we were all avid gig and festival attendees.

It's not part of us. It's something that has exploded in the past 25 years in Ireland. Before that, it was unusual for people to have had anything more than a joint.

Regarding the incident, yes, it's a tragedy and I feel sorry for her family. But I've limited sympathy for her. The dangers of drugs are hugely documented and communicated to us throughout our youth. The alcohol argument employed by users is a red herring and is a topic for a completely different discussion; we all know alcohol carries its own dangers. But that has got nothing to do with the fact that people are taking an illegal and unregulated substance that has known dangers.

Regarding the testing kits, people aren't going to use testing kits on a night out if they purchase a pill in a club. Also, going on the comments from a consultant on Newstalk this morning, the testing kits are nowhere near sufficient. To accurately test these substances, they require proper lab work and testing. The online kits are very hit and miss, according to him.

OldRio

Deleted User wrote: »

Rugby is more dangerous than ecstasy in fairness...

Utter bollox. Prof. Nutt is well named.