gandalf wrote: » also at the beginning of WW2 they were more than happy to align themselves with the those very same Nazi's
Just a little Samba wrote: » A non-aggression pact is not an alliance, it's not even cooperation, it's "you stay in your yard, I'll stay in mine" and nothing else. It was no more an alliance than Britain's appeasement of German expansion.
the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland into German and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. .... It was only in 1989 that the Soviet authorities admitted the existence of the secret protocol of the Nazi–Soviet Pact.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Anyone name the only 2 democracy's in the world to ever declare war on each other ?
The Backwards Man wrote: » There's been a few? The one in central America about a football match was one, must look it up.
Playboy wrote: » The Russians almost singlehandly beat the Nazi's. How long were they begging for Roosevelt and Churchill to open a western front to take some of the pressure off?
Playboy wrote: » Revisionist nonsense. The Russians almost singlehandly beat the Nazi's. How long were they begging for Roosevelt and Churchill to open a western front to take some of the pressure off? Churchill was too interested in the farce that was the invasion of Italy and fighting battles in North Africa because his eyes were firmly on the world after the war and the continuity of the Empire. The Russians broke the back of the Germans and had they lost and not advanced into Eastern Europe then Europe would not have been recovered by the British and the US... it would have been too late. The Americans would never have committed to taking on the Germans without the Red Army and if you think they would have then you know very little of US politics at the time.
Sand wrote: » Why were they begging for help if they won the war singlehandly? The truth is the Allies landed in June 1944 and drove east into Germany to win the war in 11 months, which really showed up what a saga the Soviets made out of fighting the Wehrmacht for 4 years.
gandalf wrote: » I don't think anyone is questioning the sacrifice made by ordinary Soviets however selective revisionism by some ignoring the facts that Stalin facilitated the beginning of the war has to be pointed out. The fact that a majority of world leaders stayed away is not a slur on those who died in the valid cause of the defeat of Nazism but imho is protecting their memory by not validating the shameful actions of the current Russian regime.
YanaSoko wrote: » Im not a historian and would not know all the details of the WWII but im russian...and today is the greatest day as I can say thanks to the veterans who fought in WWII... if they did not win the war today I would not be here, I would not have the family I have now. Russians, Ukrainians, Belarus and other nationalities would always refer to each other as brothers and sisters. And I felt sick knowing that American, British and other leaders would boycott the parade today. On the 65th anniversary number of militant units from Britain, the US and France took part in the parade in Moscow.... This year they boycott the parade in the protest over Russian's intervention in Ukraine. But I felt completely devastated what happened in Ukraine today when one of the politicians ripped the ribbon from one of the veterans and burned it. That was crazy. I have family in Ukraine and I spend number of happy years there... During the WWII there were no Russians, Ukrainians, Kazakhstanians, Belarus...we all were as one. For the events like this we all should put our differences aside and celebrate it together but I guess some people etc are not happy that Germany got beaten and believe that they would have a better life today if Germany won... which can be true...But we will never know this...Never!
Harry Palmr wrote: » http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lentil_(Caucasus)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Sobko wrote: » It's quite sad that the western leaders have chosen to politicise these events and sacrifice the memories of those who died in WW2. They can make their point in other ways. Some of these veterans won't be around for much longer.
enfant terrible wrote: » Disgusting
gandalf wrote: » On the flip side it could also be said that it's quite sad that the Russian regime has used the parade to politicise these events with what in effect was military porn for the masses.
Sobko wrote: » it's the second occasion the rest of Europe has decided to make political points that directly slight soviet soldiers who have nothing to do with Putins politics.
gandalf wrote: » Have to disagree with you totally here. This parade had everything to do with the Russian Regime. The most talk was about the size of the parade, the fact it had some new Russian military tech on display for the first time. The actual supposed true meaning of the parade was warped and distorted by the military willy waving by the Putin junta. Even the Ukraine had a far more appropriate and sombre event to mark the day.
Sobko wrote: » So attend the St. Petersburg event. Lay a reath at the monuments scattered throughout Russian cities.
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » The young men of RAF bomber command who sacrificed themselves during the bombing raids over Germany saved us from a future of Nazism
SaveOurLyric wrote: » I thought the jury was still out on whether the bombing campaign had an effect at all on the outcome of the war. And was mainly just PR for the homefront that we were still socking it to Hitler while he held the whole of Europe.
gandalf wrote: » I don't think one nation or one arm of their forces can claim to be the individual reason for the allied victory in WW2. It was a combined effort.
Balmed Out wrote: » While the Soviets were primarily responsible for the defeat of the NAZI's you cant dismiss the importance of the western allies and especially of lend lease. Soviet soldiers were transported in US trucks and often fought with US tanks, planes etc
Playboy wrote: » I dont mean to downplay the importance of the West but far too many people are of the view that the Russians were an interesting sideshow to the all conquering US. Ask the average american who won the war vs the Nazi's and the will just have a look of confusion as they dont think there are even any contenders to the US for the title.
