Mechanical Clocktail wrote: » Sorry but if you can't afford a smart phone then it doesn't sound like you pay much tax at all then, if you're on a low wage.
suicide_circus wrote: » ...so the accomodation is free since it's paid for with money that they didn't work for. Obviously I am not including people who have worked, paid their stamps and subsequently lost their jobs in this.
222233 wrote: » Not sure exactly what you mean by that, I don't get anything from the state, never have, but I do think I should be entitled to something in return for my taxes
mhge wrote: » With fewer claymants and increase in taxpayer numbers, they would be taxed less or receive better services in return for their tax.
darkpagandeath wrote: » I'm sure you have figures to backup this old chestnut ? What figures can you produce in relation to this cohort of never worked a day ?
My name is URL wrote: » Forgive my cynicism but I very much doubt that. Look for example at the money that is thrown into the pit of healthcare in this country. Hundreds of millions of euro over budget every year and yet things are in decline. I don't for one second believe that if there were less claimants that services would improve elsewhere.
suicide_circus wrote: » well no...my point was that anyone who has never worked and is in living in state funded accommodation is getting...free accommodation, not that wild a statement really
mhge wrote: » If you're coming from the angle that this country is doomed and cannot be run properly there's no discussion to be had... Welfare bill is massive though and workforce is relatively small so rebalancing them would certainly be helpful. It's not about unemployment alone, you can check out in many ways. For many it may not even be conscious, simply inherited.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Kind of is though, How much sleep do people lose over TD's having free houses in Dublin for example if people are getting free houses ? If people have no figures it could be 1 or the population of the republic.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Genuine question, If SW was massively reduced tomorrow and all supports pretty much stopped do you expect people to lie down in the street and die ? Or commit crime to live ? And how would you pay for the rather huge increase in Crime. Jails court lawyers police they all cost money. As i said around 60k per year per person for jail.
Bongalongherb wrote: » You make the point regarding the welfare bill being massive. The majority if not all of it goes straight back into the Irish economy, it's not just vanished or disappeared, it's moving back around the Irish economy in a good way. It's not all doom.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Name one country that has 100% employment ?
Stojkovic wrote: » North Korea ?
darkpagandeath wrote: » Exactly people on SW generally spend 100% of what they get in the economy, People who work don't they save. How would People replace what about 20 bn ?
suicide_circus wrote: » so if everyone went on SW the economy would be saved!
mhge wrote: » Unless it's spent on imported goods or foreign owned retailers...
222233 wrote: » I personally think if they taxed drugs in this country we would all get everything we need!
mhge wrote: » Who said anything about that? Ireland's jobless household rate is 23%, with EU average at 11%.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Drugs prostitution crime are all included as part of the economy now are they not in the new EU calculations ?
222233 wrote: » Don't know? I don't know that much about Europe, legislations anything really, I just have strong opinions.. :rolleyes:
darkpagandeath wrote: » Really ? Thought the government said it was under 10%
