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Digital Solitude

Kirby wrote: »

Nope. Not having that. Bought the game and enjoyed it, like all souls games. But you are way off on that one. Being circuitous in your story telling is fine, being purposefully obtuse is not.

Frankly, if guys like vaati put a hundred hours into trying to work out the story to a game and still guess about parts of it.....that's all that has to be said.

If you have to have the story explained to you, it hasn't done its job.

He's talking about the level design, not the story. I think everyone here would agree that the story is Froms stupidest yet, it's incredibly obtuse.

Level design on the otherhand, is flawless imo

Kirby

daUbiq wrote: »

There is no flaw

Nope. Not having that. Bought the game and enjoyed it, like all souls games. But you are way off on that one. Being circuitous in your story telling is fine, being purposefully obtuse is not.

Frankly, if guys like vaati put a hundred hours into trying to work out the story to a game and still guess about parts of it.....that's all that has to be said.

If you have to have the story explained to you, it hasn't done its job.

daUbiq

AdamD wrote: »

Its not difficult though, its tedious. The fighting is difficult and enjoyable, spending 20 minutes running around the same area trying to find a gate is neither difficult nor enjoyable.

It seems it's not for everyone...

thorbarry

Got stuck on the BSB and Vicar Amelia even though I was around level 35. All the other enemies in the area I was disposing of very easily, but just couldnt kill these 2 bosses. Managed to get Alfred and another guy help me kill BSB, then got another guy online to help me with Amelia. Then I run into the Witch of Hemwick and kill her first go!!

Digital Solitude

Level 4 run is going fine, beaten Cleric Beast, Fr Gaz and the BSB. I'd have beaten Amelia if it wasn't for her stupid healing ability.

[Deleted User]

daUbiq wrote: »

There is no flaw, you have to actually think and look for everything, there ain't no hand holding; it's not like your average triple a title where everything is obvious and easy. It's difficult by design.

Its not difficult though, its tedious. The fighting is difficult and enjoyable, spending 20 minutes running around the same area trying to find a gate is neither difficult nor enjoyable.

Retr0gamer

Definitely nothing like the double illusionary wall to get the the place with all the trees and lake in Dark Souls. And still that was mostly signposted by helpful players.

heebusjeebus

It's signposted a lot more than the Dark Souls games were anyway. Doesn't the first guy you talk to through a window tell you to head across to to the Church of Healing.
It does get a bit murky once you kill Rom and the veil is lifted but it's nothing too bewildering.

Grayditch

The level design is unreal. Far from being flawed.

daUbiq

AdamD wrote: »

That doesn't mean its not a flaw..

There is no flaw, you have to actually think and look for everything, there ain't no hand holding; it's not like your average triple a title where everything is obvious and easy. It's difficult by design.

[Deleted User]

daUbiq wrote: »

It's From Software - that's how they've always done it.

That doesn't mean its not a flaw..

saidinmilamber

I'm just at the final boss now, so am gonna clear it tonight. Couldn't be bothered treking through the Nightmare Frontier just to kill Amygdala. Think I'll make a new character afterwards and try an Arcane build, they look like fun and I think I'm a bit more prepared for the difficulty at low levels that that kind of build has.

Overall the story was trying too hard to be hard to understand. And I don't mean the history, I mean just what happens to your character.

Dark Souls sort of made sense.

You're an undead left to rot in the Asylum but you get help escaping to a ruined Lordran and get caught up in the machinations of the snakes to either prolong the Age of Fire or to end it, either way you'll need to kill all of these bitchin bosses to do that.

Dark Souls 2 was a little more convoluted, but still understandable.

You go to Drangleic looking for a cure to the undead curse as your memory starts to fail you. You get caught up in the machinations of the Emerald Herald and the daughters of Manus, and whether you cure the curse or not (by unlocking the Crowns), you must decide whether to perpetuate the cycles of Dark and Light, or destroy the cycles. Either way, bitchin bosses need to die.

Bloodborne is a little more scattered but maybe VaatiVidya will clarify it eventually.

You're some guy that may be afflicted with an incurable disease. You go to Yharnam and get an infusion of blood that I guess cures your disease. As a side effect, when you're killed you go to the Hunter's Dream for some reason. Now, even though you have what you came here for, your silent character imposes their want for Pale Blood and your quest continues (begins). You need to head to the Cathedral Ward as there's a a vague lead for the Pale Blood to be there with the healing church. You kill some bosses on the way there, eventually killing Vicar Amelia, the only member of the healing church you meet. There you get a flashback vision that gives you a password that lets you go to the Forbidden Woods, so... uhhhh... I guess you go there. That leads you to Byrgenwerth, where you find a Great One that's all passive and stuff, chilling in a lake. So, you kill it, because duh, it's ugly, and the Yharnam goes all nightmarish and stuff. For some reason, you teleport to Yahar'gul and kill this thing that drips from the Paleblood Moon (which might be what you were looking for, but WHO CARES now). Then you once again magically teleport, this time to a lecture building (oh god, what a nightmare, I'm back in my undergraduate!!!) and from there to another nightmare. You kill a few horrifying things here, and then head back to the Hunter's Dream because you're all done and dusted. Then you kill or die to some final bosses and wake up all cured or as a slug. Riiiiiight?.....

cloud493

I defeated amelia without using the glitch. Blood starved beast was just ridiculous.

mdwexford

sweetie wrote: »

Summon Alfred and he can help

Did that and another guy joined in as well so the 3 of us took him on.

He got killed after about half BSB energy was gone but I was able to finish him off then.

Cheers man.

Retr0gamer

AdamD wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that is the opposite of brilliant level design? The only reason I haven't missed significant chunks is because I've been in party chat with people who are miles ahead of me. I know its what they're going for etc. but imo the game needs more direction, some people I'm playing with have actually missed parts it won't allow them to try now until they start a new game.

Can't disagree with you more. The non-linear level design that loops around itself is just fantastic and the fact that you can miss many of it's secrets and knowing there is more to discover makes it so much more fun and rewarding to go looking for them. If you miss something its your own fault for not having a sharp enough eye.

sweetie

mdwexford wrote:

Any of you kind souls fancy helping me with the blood starved beast?

Summon Alfred and he can help

mdwexford

Any of you kind souls fancy helping me with the blood starved beast?

That part is starting to drive me nuts.
I'm level 27.

Zero-Cool

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daUbiq

AdamD wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that is the opposite of brilliant level design? The only reason I haven't missed significant chunks is because I've been in party chat with people who are miles ahead of me. I know its what they're going for etc. but imo the game needs more direction, some people I'm playing with have actually missed parts it won't allow them to try now until they start a new game.

It's From Software - that's how they've always done it.

Gummy Panda

AdamD wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that is the opposite of brilliant level design? The only reason I haven't missed significant chunks is because I've been in party chat with people who are miles ahead of me. I know its what they're going for etc. but imo the game needs more direction, some people I'm playing with have actually missed parts it won't allow them to try now until they start a new game.

I missed the crow hunter part as I didn't know I had to go back to temple of odeon to help her.

blag

Did the Upper Cathedral Ward last night, Ebrietas is definitely the most challenging boss so far but still not overly difficult. Took me over an hour of attempts solo though..

[Deleted User]

SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »

it really is a steep learning curve and FROM SOFTWARE dont hold your hands.

Having said that people are stubborn..died 20 times with 1 hit from the cleric...summon help.Nothing wrong with it and it is a feature of the game.

I generally play my first through without guides etc and then on my 2nd I would generally try and get all the loot using walkthroughs etc.

But there's always a nagging doubt that there's areas ive missed because of the brilliant level design.

Am I the only one who thinks that is the opposite of brilliant level design? The only reason I haven't missed significant chunks is because I've been in party chat with people who are miles ahead of me. I know its what they're going for etc. but imo the game needs more direction, some people I'm playing with have actually missed parts it won't allow them to try now until they start a new game.

tok9

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

What level is your vitality at? It looks so low.

It's high but I'm in the defiled Chalice which halves your health.

johnny_ultimate

Depth 3 Undead Giant is the hardest enemy I've come across so far, an absolute tank where there are incredibly narrow attack windows and some unpredictable move sets (his slam attack can happen anywhere from once to five or six times in a row). A real matter of patience. I hope I don't end up with the permutation where it ends up in a smaller room!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzMfp1choxg

FlyingIrishMan

tok9 wrote: »

Ya I just did that.

Had an absolutely awesome night in terms of progress. In NG+ I went off a beat Vicar, BSB and the Darkbeast along with helping out one of the NPCs and talking to the other in Old Yarnham.

So I got myself up to level 114 and I beat the Darkbeast again in Lower Loran so completed that Dungeon and then I went off and managed to beat the Watchdog in the Defiled dungeon. Was absolutely delighted with that one as I said it'd be my last game of the night and I only had 11 vials. Video incoming!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NkLLVT9dsc

What level is your vitality at? It looks so low.

YouSavedMyLife

tok9 wrote: »

I love this song so much.

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Fantastic stuff alright. That song in combination with the flower garden, the pale moon hanging low in the sky and the house ablaze, in stark contrast to the dance of death that is unfolding makes for a truly beautiful sight to behold. I think the Gwyn/O&S fight has been surpassed.

CiDeRmAn

In disappointed at the premium charged for the limited editions of the game.
I was looking at the limited editions I have for both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls and both cost me the same as the regular versions, not sure about Dark Souls 2, that's just the normal release.
But the two limited ones are fantastic.
Must watch our for the other two at a reasonable price.

Zero-Cool

Nightmare Mensis.....WTF

J. Marston

Finished it, excellent game. I haven't played Demon's Souls but if I were to rank them, it would probably be....

1. Dark Souls
2. Bloodborne

3. Dark Souls 2 (Still a fine game, just not up there with the other two, in my opinion)

Ending thoughts/discussion.....

Apparently there's three endings and I got the "Childhood beginnings" ending. The one where you beat the Moon Presence after Gehrman. I'm used to sparse, somewhat abrupt endings after playing DS1 & 2 but this seemed a little weird.

After the final boss a cutscene plays of the Doll picking up a big slug-like creature and saying: "Are you cold? Ah, good hunter." Then the credits rolled.

What?

Anyway, I won't let a slightly disappointing ending overshadow an otherwise amazing game. I'm diving straight into NG+ and will get a different ending this time.

tok9

I love this song so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0