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is the Irish Times viewed as a paper that only "big shots" buy?

Lollipop95

Don't know if this is the general public feeling but where I live I would frequently hear people saying that the Irish Times is only a paper that "big shots" (teachers are frequently named in this category) buy. Do you think this is true? Personally, most people I know read the Independent. Only one person I know reads the IT and the person is a former university lecturer, not sure if there's a correlation. So what do you think? Which paper do you read and as a matter of interest, which paper do you think is better - the Times or the Indo?

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chopperbyrne

Corvo wrote: »

And the Sunday Times makes for a days reading, across a lot of subjects.

I got a very quick and angry earful for asking about the print numbers for the Sunday Times when I briefly worked in The Irish Times.

"The Irish Times does not have a Sunday edition."

biko

I only read Daily Telegraph, none of these provincial rags from the colonies.

Fr_Dougal

Lollipop95 wrote: »

Don't know if this is the general public feeling but where I live I would frequently hear people saying that the Irish Times is only a paper that "big shots" (teachers are frequently named in this category) buy. Do you think this is true? Personally, most people I know read the Independent. Only one person I know reads the IT and the person is a former university lecturer, not sure if there's a correlation. So what do you think? Which paper do you read and as a matter of interest, which paper do you think is better - the Times or the Indo?

Oh I know the type, Avensis driving bastards giving grinds on the qt.

[Deleted User]

I've been living in the Republic for a few years now and even in that short time the quality of printed news has dropped. It was already just about passable but now it's downright embarrassing.

Every time I lift up a paper here there are spelling mistakes everywhere. The grammar is also all over the shop.

The IT is the best I've seen recently in terms of proof reading but I don't think the quality of reporting is great, it's mostly middle of the road fence sitting crap.

ScumLord

circadian wrote: »

The IT is the best I've seen recently in terms of proof reading but I don't think the quality of reporting is great, it's mostly middle of the road fence sitting crap.

It should be middle of the road. The problem I see with papers is they push agendas, they pass off some ranting fool's opinion as news. They should be reporting facts without bias, all I see in the papers is bias instead of facts.

syklops

circadian wrote: »

it's mostly middle of the road fence sitting crap.

Whats the opposite of middle of the road, fence sitting? Left wing or right wing. We have plenty of both already. The IT is one of the few which manages to appear somewhat impartial.

Right Turn Clyde

I remember being on a building site years ago and one of the guys was laughing at me behind my back because I was reading the Indo. He thought I was a snob. The Indo! I read the Times these days. God know what he'd think of me now. He'd probably stone me to death if he seen me. Social class is a huge factor here. I'm from a working class area and I don't ever remember seeing a broadsheet when I was growing up. It was strictly tabloid readers, save for one or two 'weirdos', i.e. people that read books and thought about stuff bigger than themselves. Generally speaking, I find that people with little or no education will gravitate towards tabloids, some would say for obvious reasons. And I include myself in that. I used to read tabloids on the sites years ago, but I eventually got sick of them and moved onto something that looked more substantial, i.e. the Indo. But it was only after I started studying as a mature student than I wanted a real newspaper, something that could give me a daily update on the the type of issues that I was reading about in college and in my spare time. Of course there's gonna be a crossover. I seen plenty of Page 3's lying around in college, and there's a steady stream of broadsheet readers sitting on their doorsteps in my estate, which is great to see. I honestly feel that tabloids are toxic.

Kermit.de.frog

The Irish Times is not impartial on social issues like abortion for example. It's actually heavily biased.

Having said that it is pretty much the only paper now with any quality journalism. The Indo went rouge tabloid a long time a go. And the other tabloids are written for thicks.

Right Turn Clyde

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Irish Times is not impartial on social issues like abortion for example. It's actually heavily biased.

You have to take bias as a given, whether it's a newspaper, a hardback or a documentary. The key thing is to be aware of it. Look at The Guardian, for example. I suspect a lot of its readers don't realise how biased it is because they simply don't notice it.

lavdad

Duggy747 wrote: »

I get my news from Weekly World News.

They cover the real hard-hitting stuff like latest updates on Bat Boy's current location.

You've made my day by letting me know there are others out there more sexually desperate that I am. A fat chick, yes. A downey, maybe. But a bat, and raw thus resulting in a bat child? That's just too far.

[Deleted User]

I grew up in a house where we got the Irish press everyday, as an adult I changed to the Irish times and the Observer on Sunday, I then switched to the Sunday times and little by little I stopped buying the Irish times during the working week, now I only buy the Sunday times the odd time.

I still get Saturdays Irish times but its really gone off a bit lately.

[Deleted User]

ScumLord wrote: »

It should be middle of the road. The problem I see with papers is they push agendas, they pass off some ranting fool's opinion as news. They should be reporting facts without bias, all I see in the papers is bias instead of facts.

I agree I guess what I really want from a paper is solid investigate journalism. Not some political agenda crap designed to undermine people but looking into things in a pragatic, matter of fact way.

Yes the IT reports news with very little angle, but I can get that at other news outlets that are usually the source for such articles.

I'd like to see, just for example, something like an investigation into the perceived failings of the Irish legal system. An investigative journalist worth their salt would spend quite some time on that, and if done properly it'd be a massive, factual, well written piece of journalism.

I may expect too much.

Larbre34

Its a paper I buy on a Saturday as I enjoy some of the stuff in it. Otherwise I read their online stuff until I run out of free article views. I find the reportage is mostly objective and to the point.

Its always good to have a bit of broadsheet knocking around the house in case of needing to varnish a table or change the oil on the lawnmower.

Real big shots own newspapers, and I dont mean a copy of todays edition.

Mardy Bum

Print journalism has already fallen over the edge and became a rat race to those customers whose main preoccupations lie with how Americans pronounce Irish names or how to get your hair like XXXX XXXX or the latest in the world of Kim Kardashiands.

Zamboni

It's the best out of a very very poor bunch.

I can't get my head around the fact that people still actually pay for newspapers though.

Magico Gonzalez

Zamboni wrote: »

It's the best out of a very very poor bunch.

I can't get my head around the fact that people still actually pay for newspapers though.

I like the feel of it in mt hand, the rustling of it. I like to sit down for a coffee somewhere nice and have the paper at hand. I find the hole experience more relaxing than flicking away at the online papers during the day. I try not to use the internet too much at home in the evening as I've been staring at a screen all day and I really don't need to be staring at one all night either. I'd rather be cooking or pottering about.

daUbiq

The latest ad on TV for the Irish Times is pretentious nonsense.. the catch line is you are what you read.

What do they mean?

Dr Strange

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I find the hole experience more relaxing than flicking away.

Interesting.

callaway92

Ya, a couple of my lecturers bang on constantly about how "rubbish" the Indo is and that we should be reading the Irish Times. Sometimes almost insulting to people who read The Independent.

Kermit.de.frog

daUbiq wrote: »

The latest ad on TV for the Irish Times is pretentious nonsense.. the catch line is you are what you read.

What do they mean?

To put it in plain english perhaps it implies that if you are in a queue in a newsagent and the guy in front of you has a copy of the Irish Daily Star or the Sun, for example, you are probably gonna think "scum" or at the very least potential Jeremy Kyle Show participant.

ScumLord

daUbiq wrote: »

The latest ad on TV for the Irish Times is pretentious nonsense.. the catch line is you are what you read.

What do they mean?

I guess, if you read the back of a carton of milk you'll turn into a carton of milk. If you read a superman comic you turn into superman. If you read the Irish times you turn into a broken clock??

Boskowski

What's a big shot btw? Is that another word for a rich person?

Right Turn Clyde

Boskowski wrote: »

What's a big shot btw? Is that another word for a rich person?

Big shot. Big knob. Hob knob. All the same thing. It essentially boils down to being big, and having a large penis that hobs, whatever that is.

smash

Boskowski wrote: »

What's a big shot btw? Is that another word for a rich person?

If you have to ask, then you'll never be one!

myshirt

I read the Sunday Business Post and The Financial Times. What does that make me? I'm certainly not a bigshot.

syklops

ScumLord wrote: »

I guess, if you read the back of a carton of milk you'll turn into a carton of milk. If you read a superman comic you turn into superman. If you read the Irish times you turn into a broken clock??

Im going out right now to buy my OH a copy of Hustler.

Macavity.

It's better than the indo.

Arsemageddon

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

Big shot. Big knob. Hob knob. All the same thing. It essentially boils down to being big, and having a large penis that hobs, whatever that is.

..........Eddie Hobbs is a penis. I hope this clarifies the matter.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

myshirt wrote: »

I read the Sunday Business Post and The Financial Times. What does that make me? I'm certainly not a bigshot.

A prick? (sorry)

mikom

myshirt wrote: »

I read the Sunday Business Post and The Financial Times. What does that make me?

At least 20 Euro lighter a week.