proVac wrote: » That explains a great deal. The anti-vaccination movement there is big and strong, frighteningly so. Every single point you raised is textbook anti-vaccination. I hope for your or rather your children's sake you don't live in/plan to go to Berlin where there is currently a huge outbreak of the measles. One little boy is dead already. If you speak German, you should therefore be well aware of the answers to ALL of the points you have raised given the current media coverage in Germany due to this very outbreak. You don't need the internet. TV, radio, papers - they all go into all the details, over and over and over again. If you didn't get your answers by now, I honestly doubt you will here. PS. I'm German and find the Irish in general much more resilient to the whole anti-vaccination-claptrap. Long may it last!
micosoft wrote: » Really simple answer here. Unless you can show your child's Vaccination Cert's you shouldn't get Children's Allowance. Quid pro quo - put other peoples children at risk you don't get social payments. This would eliminate all but the most rabid anti vaccinators. Having worked in the developing world I have seen these diseases first hand. I am appalled by those who reject their social obligation to society and their own offspring.
gar32 wrote: » Money is no object to me when my children health is at steak
SF12 wrote: » As a matter of interest OP, if you decided to go on holidays to somewhere that required vaccines against malaria, tetanus, Hepatitus etc (like South America, Asia etc),....would you vaccinate your kids then?And would you vaccinate yourself?
gar32 wrote: » I would not go with Babies as I have now but when they are older off course. I think most of the vaccines are great but just not for a baby that is just getting the systems up to speed with all the usual bacteria around.
ThisRegard wrote: » You mean when they're most likely to catch something?
Satori Rae wrote: » As a nurse my knowledge of studying years of science and reading medical reports is......vaccinations do not cause autism. ...this has been disproved years ago, it was made up by a docter who got struck off for lying about the link between vaccinations and autism and stealing children's blood without the consent of the parents. Any reaction in which a vaccination can cause is anaphylaxis this happens statically one in every hundred thousand child all staff are trained to counteract this quicky to ensure safety of the child. No child has ever died or been paralysed from a vaccine. Vaccinations are needed to help protect your child from getting a virus that could normally kill them. A vaccination works by making antibodies to help fight and resist said virus when or if your child comes into contact with it.....this does not mean your child will never get meseals or mumps it lessens the chances and reduces the risk of your child actually dying. To advocate false information and slam use of vaccines is careless and spreading unscientific data!
gar32 wrote: » This is a quote from the HTaP Vaccine hand out which is received when its given. In the Swedish efficacy trial where 1,419 recipients received the pertussis components in Tripedia vaccine, three deaths due to invasive bacterial infections occurred. Further investigation revealed no evidence for a causal relation between vaccination and altered resistance to invasive disease caused by encapsulated bacteria.33 While the hypothesis that the two variables are related cannot be ruled out in the Swedish trial, deaths due to invasive bacterial infections have been monitored in other trials. In contrast to the Swedish trial, in the German case-control study and US open-label safety study, 14,971 infants received Tripedia vaccine and no deaths due to invasive bacterial infections were reported.
Satori Rae wrote: » Also its not pure aluminium that's in certain vaccinations. Its a aluminium based adjuvant which is a tiny miniscule amount....in order for aluminum to be lethal you would need it in a pure form in a large excessive amount. A adjuvant works by boosting the immune system and by lengthening the effects of the antigen within us so we can continue to make antibodies so we don't need constant boosters..... Also there never was and never will be a link between vaccinations and autism. You most definitely need to vaccinate your kids as the only reason probably so far especially concerning polio is there being protected by herd immunity. ....However people from other countries who are not lucky enough to have been given the privilege of vaccines as we do and also the immune compromised people within our country who cant get vaccinations are in danger as are your kids from picking up any of these virus's spreading them around and actually could cause someone to die.
Satori Rae wrote: » As a nurse my knowledge of studying years of science and reading medical reports is......vaccinations do not cause autism. ...this has been disproved years ago, it was made up by a docter who got struck off for lying about the link between vaccinations and autism and stealing children's blood without the consent of the parents. Any reaction in which a vaccination can cause is anaphylaxis this happens statically one in every hundred thousand child all staff are trained to counteract this quicky to ensure safety of the child. No child has ever died or been paralysed from a vaccine. Vaccinations are needed to help protect your child from getting a virus that could normally kill them. A vaccination works by making antibodies to help fight and resist said virus when or if your child comes into contact with it.....this does not mean your child will never get meseals or mumps it lessens the chances and reduces the risk of your child actually dying. To advocate false information and slam use of vaccines is careless and spreading unscientific data! Also sorry if I speak/write passionately I would never want a child being criticality sick over misinformation or a parent going through that.
mulbot wrote: » Maybe you can explain the recent case in Italy where a court deemed that a vaccine made by GSK,was linked to autism.
Turtwig wrote: » Isn't that the same country whose judicial system sent people to prison for not predicting an earthquake?
Satori Rae wrote: » I have not heard of this case can I get a proper link please?
Rosy Posy wrote: » We choose not to vaccinate our children, which tbh is something that I tend to keep to myself online at least as there is a lot of vitriol out there. Our kids go to Waldorf school and I would say that more kids are not immunised than are. A good resource is A Guide to Child Health by Michaela Glockler. My oh is a GP and one of the reasons that we've declined immunisations is the apparently arbitrary way that the mandatory vaccination schedule is decided. It seems to us like a large consideration is the lucrative agreements between governments and pharmaceutical companies. When it comes down to it I just don't trust the powers that be to make the choice that's in the best interests of my family over their own pockets. I do get that people get worked up because my choice to decline immunisation supposedly lets down the herd immunity, but if you have faith in the vaccines then it shouldn't matter and if you don't then why are you getting them? Also if my kids are sick I take the responsibility of keeping them at home away from the very young, old or pregnant.
mulbot wrote: » I'm sure you can find that yourself
Satori Rae wrote: » Very rude of you. But I read into it regardless. In fact it was actually found that the autism was down to a genetic mutation the court for some reason ignored this and paid out anyway
mulbot wrote: » Actually Judge Nicola Di Leo determined that yes, the child had a genetic predisposition which made him more susceptible to the condition post-vaccination-
