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Garda released without charge after crash

durtybit

The off-duty garda was arrested for drink-driving at around 11.20pm on Saturday night, when a garda car was struck by another vehicle on the hard shoulder of the N2 in Co Monaghan.

As the garda car stopped to help a driver whose car had broken down another car ploughed into the back of it.

The Garda car then rammed into the rear end of the car that had broken down.

Fire crews had to use specialist equipment to cut one of the officers from the smashed patrol car, before transferring him, along with his fellow officer and the driver of the broken down car, to hospital.

Their injuries were not life-threatening.

The driver of the third car drove away, but gardaí from Monaghan town later arrested him and found that he was an off-duty garda.

The garda, who was based at a station near the border, was "processed" at Monaghan Garda Station before being released without charge.

The Garda Siochana Ombudsman (GSOC) will investigate the incident.

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durtybit

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

No I said what actually happens next?

I can't really ring the barracks and ask can I ?

durtybit

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

No I said what actually happens next?

You may have noticed that there was no mention of whether a sample was taken or not? If a sample was taken and he was over the limit why was he released without charge.

Suddenly it becomes a case of why he was released over why he was drunk behind the wheel.

Isn't that what the investigation is for?

bjork

What happens next?

GSOC investigates> If they find him guilty, they get rats nailed to their door

If they find him innocent> promotions all round

Wacker The Attacker

durtybit wrote: »

I can't really ring the barracks and ask can I ?

Let me go out on a limb here. There will be a sizable PI settlement and your man will escape with a stern warning. Unless they have Irrefutable evidence the gardai will not prosecute the off duty garda.

Wacker The Attacker

durtybit wrote: »

Isn't that what the investigation is for?

GSOC are about as much use as a pair of knockers on a bull. The recent controversy shows us this.

Grab All Association

Investigation will be carried out by An GSOC. Guilty or innocent and whether he's charged or not AGS will play no part in the investigation. I just wished both Gardai were out of the car at the time, no car in front and he was doing double the speed and that Hyundai was crushed into a cube.

crusier

bjork wrote: »

What happens next?

GSOC investigates> If they find him guilty, they get rats nailed to their door

If they find him innocent> promotions all round

When did ya get your conviction?

bjork

crusier wrote: »

When did ya get your conviction?

When I stole the money from the the locked station, but I was let off

You?

durtybit

So are we saying that in this "conflict of interest" incident. The Gardai nor the GSOC will be reliable of due diligence?

Guy:Incognito

ShaShaBear wrote: »

He was allegedly drink-driving. If they found out that he was not under the influence of any substances, I assume they would have to let him go? But obviously he didn't plough into those other cars in a hard shoulder for no reason, so they are probably trying to discern why? Was there a fault in the car? Did he do it intentionally? Etc.

This case aside, cars get ploughed in to in hard shoulders all the time, by perfectly sober drivers. it's why you'require supposed to get b out of the car and wait over the armco on the verge and not stay in it if you're broken down.

durtybit

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This case aside, cars get ploughed in to in hard shoulders all the time, by perfectly sober drivers. it's why you'require supposed to get b out of the car and wait over the armco on the verge and not stay in it if you're broken down.

I don't believe anyone would contest that

Turtyturd

Fairly regular occurrence I'd have thought. I know one Gard who crashed while dropping his car home from the pub before we headed to another. Called the local station they took care of it.

crusier

Turtyturd wrote: »

Fairly regular occurrence I'd have thought. I know one Gard who crashed while dropping his car home from the pub before we headed to another. Called the local station they took care of it.

Why didn't you report him at the time?

Little CuChulainn

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

without GSOC he would have been brought home not the station

You think GSOC were there at the time?

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Let me go out on a limb here. There will be a sizable PI settlement and your man will escape with a stern warning. Unless they have Irrefutable evidence the gardai will not prosecute the off duty garda.

Such horse manure. If they didn't want to prosecute him why would they even arrest him in the first place instead of just let him go?

My name is URL

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Easier just to jump to conclusions because he's Garda though isn't it?

He fled from the scene of a crash which he had caused. No need to jump to any conclusions. The guy is a scumbag whether he was drunk or not.

Egginacup

ShaShaBear wrote: »

He was allegedly drink-driving. If they found out that he was not under the influence of any substances, I assume they would have to let him go? But obviously he didn't plough into those other cars in a hard shoulder for no reason, so they are probably trying to discern why? Was there a fault in the car? Did he do it intentionally? Etc.

Well even if he was as sober as a judge wouldn't he be charged with "hit and run" at the very least?

opti76

if the off duty Garda gave a urine or blood sample as opposed to a sample of his breath then you cant charge him with anything as you have no proof he was over the limit .

but don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned witch hunt .. carry on ..

RollieFingers

Is anybody really surprised? It's one rule for the pigs, one rule for the rest of us!

My name is URL

opti76 wrote: »

if the off duty Garda gave a urine or blood sample as opposed to a sample of his breath then you cant charge him with anything as you have no proof he was over the limit .

but don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned witch hunt .. carry on ..

What.. like purposely fleeing the scene after he smashed into a car? They couldn't have charged him with that, no?

What a load of absolute bull. People have been charged and remanded for that exact thing!

I wonder if he wasn't a garda if so many people would be playing the victim here and crying about witch hunts. Would they fcuk!

This knacker smashed into a car and left people trapped inside, and thought nothing of just driving home afterwards and not alerting anyone. Whether he was drunk or not shouldn't even matter at this stage. If gardai can't charge a person for such a thing then they're even more useless

Are you seriously saying that if Joe Soap rammed a garda car, left the occupants trapped inside and just drove off leaving them for dead, that Gardai wouldn't charge and remand them in custody?

jelutong

Were the press waiting for him as he left the station? Or is that special treatment reserved for someone like Claire Daly for example.

Rubberchikken

irrespective of who he is or what job he holds, if he was drrunk and driving and involved in an accident/and ran then he will have to face the music.
idiot ot be drinking and driving though if he was. that message isn't getting through peoples' skulls at all at all.

Valetta

My name is URL wrote: »

He fled from the scene of a crash which he had caused. No need to jump to any conclusions. The guy is a scumbag whether he was drunk or not.

Where the hell are you getting that from?

My name is URL

Valetta wrote: »

Where the hell are you getting that from?

Take your pick!

The gardaí pulled in to assist the male driver but another vehicle ploughed into the back of their patrol car.

This caused the patrol car to 'rear end' the vehicle that had broken down and major damage was caused to both vehicles.

The driver of the third car fled the scene but was arrested by gardaí from Monaghan town a short time later for alleged drink-driving.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/offduty-garda-arrested-for-drinkdriving-after-crash-31086765.html

A third vehicle then drove into the rear of the patrol car, causing the garda car to collide with the first vehicle. Both vehicles were seriously damaged in the incident.

The driver of the third car fled the scene but was later arrested for alleged drink-driving. GSOC confirmed he was an off-duty garda.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/off-duty-garda-arrested-for-drink-driving-after-crash-1.2149831

Valetta

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/monaghan-crash-off-duty-garda-arrested-5383903#rlabs=1

One witness to the late night collision said: “They were very lucky they didn’t suffer more serious injuries”.

“The Garda car was in bits with one tyre lying on the road. It could have been a lot worse.

“Some gardai showed up and the road was closed for a while. The driver of the other car was arrested at the scene.”

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/off-duty-garda-arrested-for-drink-driving-as-two-officers-hurt-in-crash-668616.html

The driver of the third car was arrested at the scene and found that he was an off-duty garda.

You state it as fact, when it has clearly not been established as such.

coopdog85

A couple of detectives down my way went for a few pints while on duty late one night a good few years ago. Fell out of the pub, drove at speed straight through a crossroads & hit a chap on his way to work a night shift. He was killed & the detectives not only got away with it but they successfully blamed him for the accident - even though they were meant to stop as they were coming out of a side road. Sickens me to this day to see them still on duty instead of being behind bars where they should be.

crusier

RollieFingers wrote: »

Is anybody really surprised? It's one rule for the pigs, one rule for the rest of us!

In fairness pigs and donkeys should be treated the same!

Mesrine65

I worked the door of the Garda Club on SCR in the early 90's.

You would not believe the amount of pissed-up Garda that left the venue, jumped into their cars & drove off.

joe swanson

Wow, any excuse for Garda bashing without knowing the facts.

If a sample is taken, I would imagine they will have to wait for the results. The fact that he was arrested by nearby Gardaí I would think would show that they are doing their job correctly. Gsoc taking over will no doubt ensure if a crime has been committed, it will be followed through.

Don't let that get in the way of abusing a whole profession though.

tayto lover

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I worked the door of the Garda Club on SCR in the early 90's.

You would not believe the amount of pissed-up Garda that left the venue, jumped into their cars & drove off.

Why didn't you report them?
Seems cowardly not to do so and you might have saved a life.

c_man

tayto lover wrote: »

Why didn't you report them?
Seems cowardly not to do so and you might have saved a life.

Reported to who? To the local station?

With the way things were here, especially in the 90s I think you'd have to be very naive to think the Garda would have gotten in any trouble. Mesrine65 on the other hand...