Pink Lady wrote: » My daughter is leaving her apartment at the weekend (end of lease). The landlords have a policy that the tenants leaving have to pay €250 for cleaners to come in after they've left and clean the apartment. I've never heard of this before. It's such a lot of money when they have to come up with money for next apartment? Is this legal guys?
Pink Lady wrote: » It's a disgrace. €250 is very excessive for a clean - this one anyway and she'll leave it spotless.
Pink Lady wrote: » I'm only asking if it is usual for a cleaning bill of this amount to be charged? Or if it is normal for tenants to have to book a cleaning company at all when vacating the apartment. The first I heard was last night when my daughter mentioned it. I accept that if it is in the leave then she has to pay it. I'm just curious to know if it this is usual as I haven't heard of anyone having to do this. I thought the normal was for tenants who are vacating an apartment to leave it in the same way as they found it when they moved it which is absolutely right and they should forfeit their deposit if they don't.
runawaybishop wrote: » If it was in the lease and you didn't take any heed of it then you only have yourselves to blame. Nothing disgraceful about it.
runawaybishop wrote: » As long as a receipt is provided and its in the lease its all above board.
WoollyRedHat wrote: » Just doing some maths here... presuming he were to hire 2 cleaners in at the rate of 10 euro per cleaner (which is usually the going rate) They'd have to be working 10 hours to get near to 250 euro... unless the apartment is massive (and even then it's an apartment) and needs an industrial level clean If it is referenced in the lease, then tell your daughter to do some research and find out how much the designated cleaning company is charging the landlord. This... make sure to get a receipt.
Kop On wrote: » To me, it does seem unusual for the tenants leaving to be booking the cleaners and the cost seems off the wall. In my estimation, €250 equates to about 16 hours of cleaning. You'd want a fairly dirty apartment to have to spend 2 full days (16 hours) cleaning it. I'd check the lease and even then, I'd be leaving the place clean, tidy and hoovered and be on my way.
jimmii wrote: » Did it look like it was professionally cleaned before she moved in? Normally there is something inserted along the lines of leaving it as you found it which would cover it at a stretch. If she gets its done herself it will probably work out cheaper depending on the size of the property.
Pink Lady wrote: » Thanks for that. Yes I really wouldn't mind them having to pay for cleaners but it's the amount I'm surprised at. I do think it's unusual for tenants to have to hire the designated cleaners but be that as it may, I do think €250 is crazy. It is a 2-bed but the 2nd bedrooms was only used for guests so was always clean and tidy. Neat freak was probably a bit strong to label her but she does like things to be clean and tidy so really the apartment is in good condition even before they leave end of the week. Even though they are getting the cleaners in she will do a good job on it before they go. I'll check out the Lease later and see exactly what it says. Thanks for your comments and help.
Carawaystick wrote: » If the tenant has to book the cleaners, maybe the tenant should invoice for the time taken, at a day rate of eur 250 maybe...
BeatNikDub wrote: » Wow! That is really an excessive amount of money. Also the fact that you just leave the cash there for them to pick up sounds VERY dodgy! Hopefully it isn't in lease, or maybe it was in original one signed and they haven't signed one every year. Damn right to check this out first.
Pink Lady wrote: » Yes it is excessive isn't it!! She's afraid they'll lose their deposit if she refused to hire the cleaners and do the cleaning herself which she would do anyway. Will check it out tonight.
Pink Lady wrote: » Hi iimmii yes you're right it is in Nama and run by a Management company. I didn't think this would make a difference but obviously it may do. I think she needs to ring the Management company and say that while she is willing to have professional cleaners in to clean the apartment, could she get her own and pay a lesser fee. Thanks for that.
WoollyRedHat wrote: » Just doing some maths here... presuming he were to hire 2 cleaners in at the rate of 10 euro per cleaner (which is usually the going rate) They'd have to be working 10 hours to get near to 250 euro... unless the apartment is massive (and even then it's an apartment) and needs an industrial level clean
Mrs OBumble wrote: » Cleaning equipment and consumables aren't free (professional cleaners bring their own), and insurance, holiday pay and employer PRSI also need to be paid. So if professional cleansers are used, a calculation like that is meaningless.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » Cleaning equipment and consumables aren't free (professional cleaners bring their own), and insurance, holiday pay and employer PRSI also need to be paid. So if professional cleansers are used, a calculation like that is meaningless. I don't have experience in the cleaning industry, so don't know what proportion of the charge is usually for direct labour - but I wouldn't be surprised if it's only 50-60%. Personally I've been in my apartment for 6+ years, and if I was moving out I would be paying to get it professionally cleaned, rather than doing it myself. I've watched professionals at work before, and they have the equipment and knowledge to do it far more quickly and effectively than I could. And in terms of value, I'd expect to pay probably E200 for this.
jimmii wrote: » Now that hassle.com exists we can get a general idea as the service and materials are charged separately. They charge €12/hour for the service (incl. insurance) and €2/hour for the cleaning materials so €250 would be almost 18 hours of work. The cleaner gets around €10 an hour so of that €14 an hour that 50%-60% number looks about right.
