conorhal wrote: » There is no contradiction is saying that Islamism is monolithic be it Sunni or Shia .............
conorhal wrote: » If it is a reasonable assertion that there is a problem in the middle east, it is a reasonable assertion that the problem is Islamism, just as it was a reasonable assertion that the biggest problem in Eastern Europe was communism.
reprise wrote: » Got to admit, I almost have respect for someone who goes off and lives the dream rather than just bring a rain of hatred down to offset the misery in their lives.
Nodin wrote: » Yep, there very much is. A lot of it is Islamism, theres also inter-state power struggles by proxy, ethnic disputes.
conorhal wrote: » With what aim in mind. Either of them?
I Wonder how old his new wife will be ?
Nodin wrote: » Power, gaining of a state, resources and so on.
smurfjed wrote: » You might be surprised to learn that Saudi has a minimum age for marriage
conorhal wrote: » You're so nearly there Nodin.... under the rule of law established by what authority?
Nodin wrote: » Sorry, I was talking about the inter-state power struggles etc.
conorhal wrote: » No you were avoiding saying, under the banner of Sharia law. And you were doing so well.
Nodin wrote: » They don't agree on Sharia law. There is no "Sunni" bloc running around trying to enforce it, just various groups of yahoos, many more intent on killing muslims than anything else by the looks of it.
conorhal wrote: » So Saudi Arabia isn't a Sharia Sunni State that's enthusiastically exporting it's ideas across the region?..
conorhal wrote: » And in case it's slipped your notice, many of these yahoos are making quite the inroads into implementing their ideology across the Middle East..
Except it doesn't.
Nodin wrote: » Saudi tries to, yes. "inflicting" would appear to be a better way of putting it. They have thus far yet to be seen to converting whole states.
conorhal wrote: » So then you're admitting that there is a Sunni block exporting Islamism, and frankly 'thus far' is a damning phrase. Sooner or later would be more accurate, probably sooner. So Islamism is a problem, and it's a problem for us too. Time to do something about that no?
Nodin wrote: » A sunni wahabist state tries to export is brand of Islamism. Hardly the existential crisis your phrasing seems to suggest we face.
conorhal wrote: » So now it exists but it's not a problem, well 9/11, 7/7 and the chaos in Paris earlier this year just called to disagree.
Nodin wrote: » No, there is no monolithic "bloc". Life is rarely that simple.
conorhal wrote: » And we're back to your circular argument that was just demolished. well you can keep your head tucked firmly in the sand, but events are likely to overtake your deep sense of denial, and when they do, well, I will be a bitter I told you so on my part.
Nodin wrote: » Saudi Arabia is a single state that practices a particular form of Islam, not the head of a massive conspiracy.
conorhal wrote: » A conspiracy involves a small group protecting a secret act, there's no secret about what they are doing, nor their aim nor the aims of any of the islamist groups fighting for power in the region, nor do they make any secret about how they intedt to export their chaos to our shores, in fact the spend quite a lot of time bragging about it.
Nodin wrote: » Yep, disparate forces, often violently opposed to each other, and most certainly not a monolithic threat to the planet. Or Mullingar hospital.
conorhal wrote: » And as I said before, like Communism in the 60's, Islamism today presents the biggest geopolitical threat to the stability of our way of life today. Pretending otherwise is either foolish or disingenuous or both.
imperator567 wrote: » I Wonder how old his new wife will be ?
Nodin wrote: » No it does not.
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.
imperator567 wrote: » Scare mongering ? 80% of London Muslims under 25 Support ISIS.......Independent survey, cant post links new poster. Thats an independent survey.
The report, published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) on May 16, shows that although Christianity is still the main religion in Britain—over 50% of the population describe themselves as such—nearly half of all Christians in Britain are over the age of 50, and, for the first time ever, fewer than half under the age of 25 describe themselves as Christian. By contrast, the number of people under 25 who describe themselves as Muslim has doubled over the past ten years: one in ten under the age of 25 are Muslim, up from one in 20 in 2001. These numbers suggest that most or virtually all young Muslim settlers in the UK support ISIS.
.......the only thing stopping attrocities is the fact they dont have the light engineering skills or weapons to carry them out.
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