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Corcaigh Abu1

banger01 wrote: »

Anthony Nash
Shane O'N Damian C Conor OS
Stephen McD Lorcan McL Cormac M
Adian W Conor Lehane
Jamie C Bill C Seamus H
Paudi O'S Anothony S Luke O'F

I cant see them playing Lehane midfield, its too important and he can be so hot and cold at times. he doesn't have the same fight as Kearny. I think they will put O'shea in there as any game he started/came on he was playing in the middle anyway. Id like to see Jamie Caughlan get a run either midfield or on the wing. Its a great chance for a couple of players to stake a claim on a jersey. these injuries will tell us a lot more about the bench and who could make it and who's not up to the required standard.

seventh7

willietherock wrote: »

Eoin Cadogan proving to be massive loss for the hurlers with Joyce gone for the year. Best hurling club defender in Cork by a mile. Hard to know what they'll do for fullback. Probably stick McDonnell in there and cover your eyes at this stage.

A bit of a mirror image of the All Ire semi final the last day in the last quarter. Once Tipp defence upped the physical stakes, Harnedy aside, the other forwards were too physically weak to compete. Same old story. Aiden Walsh's physically and athleticism badly needed in the half forward line as well as midfield.

Truest post on the thread, simply put and on the money. We have lovely wristy forwards bright as buttons and mobile to a fault apart from Harnedy they are light and when it gets physical they go missing. Once the possesion is lost in an intercounty game the first line of defence has to be the forwards pressing the ball. Watch Kilkenny they have made it an art form. If we persist with this type of hurling we will get exactly what we deserve, not a lot. Joyce is a huge loss he has potential and was looking very comfortable in the full back slot. He aslo plays with an edge to his game which one would expect from a Na Parsaigh player. Given the calibre of player in Cork we will always be competitive, getting back to the top of the pile where we belong that will be another story. Unless we change the mindset a little and start looking for the Bonnar Mahers and the Richie Hogans in the cork hurling squads then a return to past glories may be nothing but a pipe dream.

willietherock

Eoin Cadogan proving to be massive loss for the hurlers with Joyce gone for the year. Best hurling club defender in Cork by a mile. Hard to know what they'll do for fullback. Probably stick McDonnell in there and cover your eyes at this stage.

A bit of a mirror image of the All Ire semi final the last day in the last quarter. Once Tipp defence upped the physical stakes, Harnedy aside, the other forwards were too physically weak to compete. Same old story. Aiden Walsh's physically and athleticism badly needed in the half forward line as well as midfield.

banger01

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

the coin toss has been done and cork are at home v Wexford.

What do people think the team v wexford will be? if they going to keep playing calahane at FB then MacDonald could be worth a look at CB for this game since Ellis is out?

Anthony Nash
Shane O'N Damian C Conor OS
Stephen McD Lorcan McL Cormac M
Adian W Conor Lehane
Jamie C Bill C Seamus H
Paudi O'S Anothony S Luke O'F

Corcaigh Abu1

the coin toss has been done and cork are at home v Wexford.

Should have enough to see them through to the semis even if the 3 lads are injured.
The nature of the lack of fight or drive in the last 20mis was very disheartening. the subs coming on seemed to weaken the team instead of strengthening it. Why hasn't Jamie Caughlan seen more game time? Didn't he come on as a late sub v Galway?
he never seems to shy away from the physical stuff and can score from distance, he might of done better than Moylan in the last few mins.

What do people think the team v wexford will be? if they going to keep playing calahane at FB then MacDonald could be worth a look at CB for this game since Ellis is out?

homeofhurling

lads taking the piss i would say.

Steven81

homeofhurling wrote: »

when was the last time cork lost a game with a 4 goal lead with 15 minutes left some come back from tipp.

Lots of quotes in the uibhfhaili (offaly forum) website as to what happened to Cork today.
http://www.uibhfhaili.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6850

Pity we didn't get one of the stronger teams in the quarter final :

Well done on that, Cork mustn't have fancied their chances against us.
Fair point allstar2010. Id say its the draw both tipp and cork feared.. Little bit of a step up on antrim for our boys I would say.

Just a little bit alright. Shur if we get a home draw might be a chance to try out a few young lads

homeofhurling

when was the last time cork lost a game with a 4 goal lead with 15 minutes left some come back from tipp.

North Cork Star

Well we let that one behind us today. We were terrible in the last 15 minutes. As someone said earlier, once we went up the 12 points we didn't hurl at all and Tipp got totally on top of us. Daniel Kearney and Mark Ellis going off didn't help us either. A few players I felt were shown up today and need to up their games come championship.

Anthony Nash was solid and how did he make those saves. A leader.
Shane O Neill did well but Bonner Maher caused him a spot of bother late on.
Damien Cahalane started well but Callinan can be unmarkable at times as shown at times today. Lacks big time hurling wise.
Stephen McDonnell did well and notably kept Bubbles quiet.
Lorcan McLoughlin doing well again and nailing down a wing back spot for championship.
Mark Ellis holding centre well. Hopefully injury not too serious.
Cormac Murphy's hurled well but way too loose altogether. Noel McGrath had a field day as a result.
Daniel Kearney again Mr. Consistent, hurling fierce well and fighting for the breaks also.
Aidan Walsh got shown up at times hurling wise but in fairness got into it well and his direct running in great to see. Let's hope he sharpens up for the summer.
Conor Lehane great to get the scores and delivered in every game scoring wise in the league but he went a hide in those crucial last 10 minutes.
Seamus Harnedy with another brilliant performance at centre forward scoring 5 points and winning primary possession and making good runs too. He could have got the equaliser.
Rob O Shea played well at times but still not convinced that he will be starting come the summer. Has the hurling but maybe impact sub he could be more effective at this moment in time.
Alan Cadogan was lively but he is still green. His touch was off and his decision making was off but then again not many corner backs like marking him do if he can sharpen up he will do a job.
Luke O Farrell was very quiet and found it hard to find possession. He was still making those runs but high balls coming into him only suited the defender. Paudie putting him under pressure for a place.
Patrick Horgan should his full potential today I thought. We saw him getting the ball into his hand and taking on his man all the time which is encouraging. He had to work for the goals today and by God he took them well.
Subs: Conor O Sullivan good hurler but let his man turn him twice today when we were under pressure.
Bill Cooper didn't get much game time and needs to be hurling at pace as often as he can as he needs it.
Paudie O' Sullivan is a great goal poacher. He is dangerous and fighting for a place in the forwards.
Andy Walsh got involved around midfield. A pity he didn't get more game time throughout the league.
Stephen Moylan also came on late on.

I saw Jamie Coughlan pucking around before the game so it is good to see him back also.

Wexford next week in the League Quarter Final!

Talib Fiasco

zetecescort wrote: »

Don't mean to single him out but i would agree. We are kind of fecked with Joyce's injury though.

Time for a new young fella to step up I'd say. Cahalane will continue to be a liability. It's the quality around him that has saved him in the past but if we're looking to win all irelands we need a proper reliable three.

Figsy32

Hard to know what to think after that. Some excellent stuff but that last 15 minutes was horrific.

zetecescort

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Still don't think Cahalane is an intercounty level full back. Never saw the appeal in him.

Don't mean to single him out but i would agree. We are kind of fecked with Joyce's injury though.

Talib Fiasco

Still don't think Cahalane is an intercounty level full back. Never saw the appeal in him.

zetecescort

Very disappointing last 10 or 15 minutes, Tipp upped the play and it looked like we had no response. We just stopped playing after going 12 up. Daniel Kearney was Cork's best I thought. Callnan had Cahalane in all sorts of trouble but Damien not helped when management didn't try and switch him with someone else.

Good to see us go for goal and get them but not much use if we still mange to lose.

Wexford next should be an interesting test, toss for venue according to the radio

citykat

zetecescort wrote: »

TG4 no, but we have only played Galway and now Tipp on a Sunday. KK, Clare and Dublin games all on Saturday evenings

Have posted on another thread. The KK/CL game is practically meaningless - Cl need to win. TG4 should be showing Wd/Wx game. This is the only game with something at stake. In reality there's nothing at stake in Ck/Tp other than just bragging rights. Some might argue neither will want to show their full hand before the real fun starts. I'd be surprised if both don't win their their QFs so we'll see them in the semis in technicolour.

Poor_old_gill

wackokid wrote: »

FYI....The Gaelic Football Rule changes which become operative on 1st January 2014 are as follows.....there are 6 changes
1...Introduction of a BLACK CARD for Cynical Behaviour Fouls and there are 5 of them fouls listed. We need only concern ourselves with No1 here.

1 Deliberately pull down an opponent.

Obviously the Rules people regard that as cynical behaviour no matter what the circumstances and we can argue all day and all night about the rights and wrongs of Savage's black card. The ref thought he deliberately pulled down an opponent, and I did too.
Yes I was there and these things happen quickly etc. etc. and we are all colour blind in these matters.
To answer you on Kerry's rules it's obvious that Kerry take scoring frees from the wrong and obviously more favourable positions and get away with it time after time. The seniors have it perfected and now the U21s are at it too. Several instances on Wed. night and the reaction of the Cork supporters tells it's own story.

Well thats exactly the point we are debating- I dont think it warranted a black card as he didnt set out to intentionally pull him to the ground- most fouls (as i stated before) end up with a guy being grounded but they arent all black cards and I really felt this one wasnt either. I dont think its a big conspiracy, just a poor decision and I felt sorry for the lad.

Cork were the better team with or without Savage and with better shooting would have had us out the gate at half time.

On the frees thing- I reckon (and hope) you're at the wind-up so I wont bother.

zetecescort

wackokid wrote: »

FYI....The Gaelic Football Rule changes which become operative on 1st January 2014 are as follows.....there are 6 changes
1...Introduction of a BLACK CARD for Cynical Behaviour Fouls and there are 5 of them fouls listed. We need only concern ourselves with No1 here.

1 Deliberately pull down an opponent.

Obviously the Rules people regard that as cynical behaviour no matter what the circumstances and we can argue all day and all night about the rights and wrongs of Savage's black card. The ref thought he deliberately pulled down an opponent, and I did too.
Yes I was there and these things happen quickly etc. etc. and we are all colour blind in these matters.
To answer you on Kerry's rules it's obvious that Kerry take scoring frees from the wrong and obviously more favourable positions and get away with it time after time. The seniors have it perfected and now the U21s are at it too. Several instances on Wed. night and the reaction of the Cork supporters tells it's own story.

not just a Kerry thing, I have long argued that attempts at scoring from frees should be taken from the ground

zetecescort

eigrod wrote: »

Have TG4 showed Cork hurlers live at all ? Apparently they're showing Clare v KK tomorrow when the Cork v Tipp game is really the game of the day. Very disappointing to those of us not living in Cork.

TG4 no, but we have only played Galway and now Tipp on a Sunday. KK, Clare and Dublin games all on Saturday evenings

eigrod

Have TG4 showed Cork hurlers live at all ? Apparently they're showing Clare v KK tomorrow when the Cork v Tipp game is really the game of the day. Very disappointing to those of us not living in Cork.

Deco99

wackokid wrote: »

FYI....The Gaelic Football Rule changes which become operative on 1st January 2014 are as follows.....there are 6 changes
1...Introduction of a BLACK CARD for Cynical Behaviour Fouls and there are 5 of them fouls listed. We need only concern ourselves with No1 here.

1 Deliberately pull down an opponent.

Obviously the Rules people regard that as cynical behaviour no matter what the circumstances and we can argue all day and all night about the rights and wrongs of Savage's black card. The ref thought he deliberately pulled down an opponent, and I did too.
Yes I was there and these things happen quickly etc. etc. and we are all colour blind in these matters.
To answer you on Kerry's rules it's obvious that Kerry take scoring frees from the wrong and obviously more favourable positions and get away with it time after time. The seniors have it perfected and now the U21s are at it too. Several instances on Wed. night and the reaction of the Cork supporters tells it's own story.

Would you stop, you're making the rest of us look bad.

wackokid

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It wasnt a malicious or cynical tackle- the guy ducked into his challenge and made a meal out of it.
The majority of fouls end up in a player being grounded- are they all black cards? Did you see it?

Kerry want their own rules again? That's it, good man yourself

FYI....The Gaelic Football Rule changes which become operative on 1st January 2014 are as follows.....there are 6 changes
1...Introduction of a BLACK CARD for Cynical Behaviour Fouls and there are 5 of them fouls listed. We need only concern ourselves with No1 here.

1 Deliberately pull down an opponent.

Obviously the Rules people regard that as cynical behaviour no matter what the circumstances and we can argue all day and all night about the rights and wrongs of Savage's black card. The ref thought he deliberately pulled down an opponent, and I did too.
Yes I was there and these things happen quickly etc. etc. and we are all colour blind in these matters.
To answer you on Kerry's rules it's obvious that Kerry take scoring frees from the wrong and obviously more favourable positions and get away with it time after time. The seniors have it perfected and now the U21s are at it too. Several instances on Wed. night and the reaction of the Cork supporters tells it's own story.

Poor_old_gill

wackokid wrote: »

Why do you say 'incorrectly black carded'?
Isn't that why they introduced the bloody thing, to stop the deliberate grounding of the player in possession. Savage and Kerry ( Weeshie) can have no complaints unless Kerry want their own rules again.

It wasnt a malicious or cynical tackle- the guy ducked into his challenge and made a meal out of it.
The majority of fouls end up in a player being grounded- are they all black cards? Did you see it?

Kerry want their own rules again? Thats it, good man yourself

Deco99

wackokid wrote: »

Why do you say 'incorrectly black carded'?
Isn't that why they introduced the bloody thing, to stop the deliberate grounding of the player in possession. Savage and Kerry ( Weeshie) can have no complaints unless Kerry want their own rules again.

I would be of the opinion that he feels it wasnt "deliberate grounding of the player" therefore "incorrectly black carded" in the posters "opinion". No real need to have a pop after, plenty of time for that in July.

wackokid

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I wouldn't hail him as too much of a genius for out- foxing Darragh.
Even in Kerry we knew that he wasn't upto it- his team selection was very poor and tactics were non- existent.

Gary o Sullivan, who starts midfield for UCC can't even get a run but darraghs club mate who can't get near game time for UCC comes on!

The game was over as a contest once Savage was (incorrectly black carded)- to be honest all that kept us in the game was Corks poor shooting and it was a well deserved victory.

Good luck in the final- we'll catch ye next year!

Why do you say 'incorrectly black carded'?
Isn't that why they introduced the bloody thing, to stop the deliberate grounding of the player in possession. Savage and Kerry ( Weeshie) can have no complaints unless Kerry want their own rules again.

eigrod

Looks like it's going to be a very tight call between Luke O' Farrell and Paudie O' Sullivan for the no. 14 shirt all year. Will be a lot of pressure on the man in possession of the shirt to perform each game, with the other breathing heavily down his neck.

zetecescort

Best of luck to him. Must be very hard to give the commitment needed when you are on the fringes of the team

Figsy32

Cian Mc has left the panel due to work commitments. Just posted on Cork GAA's twitter.

zetecescort

strong team, thought JBM might rest a few.

pluszap

The Cork Senior Hurling team lines out as follows:1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)3. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)4. Damien Cahalane

(St. Finbarr’s)5. Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)7. Cormac Murphy (Mallow)8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)10. Conor

Lehane (Midleton)11. Seamus Harnedy (St.Ita’s)12. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)14. Luke O’Farrell (Midleton)15. Patrick Horgan (Glen

Rovers)
Subs:16. Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)17. William Kearney (Sarsfields)18. Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)19. Killian Burke (Midleton)20. Andy Walsh (Killeagh)21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)22. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)23. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)24. Anthony Spillane (Castlelyons)25. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)26. Bill Cooper (Youghal)

Hurleratheart

Enterntaining game last night and good to beat kerry

taught alan o donovan done very well worked really hard and created the goal chances and kellehers first point. pity his last efford for a point went wide - serious hard worker

faded a bit in middle of game but started and finished very strong

no point haveing peter kellher in at 14 with no ball going in first half, he done well when he came out - fierce awkard looking but effective