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Speaking of taking silk - was Travers involved in the Pringle case somehow? It would certainly explain why he keeps repeating it on every single blasted paper for 2 years

Arcturus2112

lawbear wrote: »

it would be great if somehow that exam was declared void due to how ridiculous it was and the level of stress and anxiety it caused to people haha

Yeah, or a once-off resit in for EU in July on the basis that he made a totally unacceptable paper and unrealistic paper!

That examiner took silk last year. I don't know if he is just now too busy to give sufficient attention to the exam paper and to the candidates' interests or what, but it certainly isn't good enough when you consider that people's careers are at stake. That paper was ill thought out, there is no question.

I'm coming from a law background and still that was total unsuitable for what candidates might reasonably expect for these exams. I can't begin to imagine what it is like for those coming from a non-law background to deal with that. Even the Constitutional paper was quite doable in comparison to that EU paper, and that was very challenging in this sitting.

jenspondolik wrote: »

Well there's all this talk of fair procedures and fundamental rights. The right to know and be presented with the charges so as to prepare a defence. They might so kind as to do the same for us as regards the syllabus so we can study the examined material.

But what worries me is that there were a good few who seemed genuinely happy. I kept looking around to see if I was the only one having a freak.

As I said re monetary policy ecb etc my manual actually said its beyond scope of fe1s.

Mine has zero case law on that Brussels 2 bis child question. Not one single case.

And I can't see much relevant to the Pringle question either.

LawCQ91 wrote: »

Do we have grounds to complain? Lol

Various FE1ers vs the law society of Ireland ...

Afterall someone did sue the law society so we have to do the exams at the first place !

Well there's all this talk of fair procedures and fundamental rights. The right to know and be presented with the charges so as to prepare a defence. They might so kind as to do the same for us as regards the syllabus so we can study the examined material.

But what worries me is that there were a good few who seemed genuinely happy. I kept looking around to see if I was the only one having a freak.

As I said re monetary policy ecb etc my manual actually said its beyond scope of fe1s.

I'm wondering ARE there grounds to complain? And what would the wisdom be of putting ones head above the parapet?

Could anyone here who did one of the EU prep courses ask their course lecturers for a view on it?

LawCQ91 wrote: »

Various FE1ers vs the law society of Ireland.... !

More likely to be cited as "Wards of Court v Law Society of Ireland" after we're all consigned to insane asylums or regress into a persistent vegetative state after the stress of dealing with this kind of rubbish...!!

LawCQ91

Do we have grounds to complain? Lol

Various FE1ers vs the law society of Ireland ...

Afterall someone did sue the law society so we have to do the exams at the first place !

Lily Belle wrote: »

Sorry now but it's ridiculous. We are trying to pass these exams so we can learn how to be legal experts AFTER the exams. We all put in the work. We are not EU law experts. I'm all for not regurgitating pre-learned answers that aren't relevant to the question but at least stick to some sort of exhaustive list of topics. Sorry now but for a subject that I think is the least practical in day to day life of all of them, some of those questions were a joke. I'm not so much annoyed as I am worried about next time. His examiners report will be an interesting read.

Which is why they should make their own manual if they're not gonna stick to the topics listed!

lawbear

it would be great if somehow that exam was declared void due to how ridiculous it was and the level of stress and anxiety it caused to people haha

Lily Belle

sunshine and showers wrote: »

It'd be a lot easier (and they'd make a lot more money) if they just made subject manuals themselves.

Sorry now but it's ridiculous. We are trying to pass these exams so we can learn how to be legal experts AFTER the exams. We all put in the work. We are not EU law experts. I'm all for not regurgitating pre-learned answers that aren't relevant to the question but at least stick to some sort of exhaustive list of topics. Sorry now but for a subject that I think is the least practical in day to day life of all of them, some of those questions were a joke. I'm not so much annoyed as I am worried about next time. His examiners report will be an interesting read.

spaz_hawk

My answer book resembles a YouTube comments section discussion on the 'Ra.

Ashashi

Troels Hartmann wrote: »

I'm not at home no but could someone take a look at the syllabus and check?

https://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/education/FE-1/FE1%20Syllabus.pdf

As far as I can tell no mention of monetary policy which was a question today.

lawbear wrote: »

so exhausted, I attempted the question on remedies, could anyone tell me what that was supposed to involve? I was probably way off…. have to go to a "networking" event next week with my firm, dreading people asking how the exams went…. also I did the question on the commission, in the sample answer I have from griffith a huge part of the answer was in the treaty…for its role and legislative process…that can't be good

I dunno maybe infringement I spoke vaguely re judicial review and fundamental rights. I did the part b of the commission question ALL out of the book. Didn't matter anyway. We're free for the weekend anyway I'm dreading work Monday I had a week study leave an exam and think I failed all.

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Oh it's probably hidden on the official list somewhere. Like liability for fire. :rolleyes: There's barely a page on that in the manual!

I get the feeling they were trying to tell us something in general about prep courses and predictions...

Me too I only read one EU exam report and he said the trend will continue in not bringing up standardised prep school predicted answers or expected questions. Something along those lines.

I've never been one for learning off prewritten essays but you can't go out of your way to catch people off guard. I've never done prep schools but is it not a good thing that people are doing extra courses lectures etc to know more and familiarise and pass? We could have gone off reading new cases for eu today like people did for constitutional and then for it not to come up. There is just a limited amount of time for theses its not like college spending a year at you have four mths. There's plenty of time when you're a solicitor to do cpd and keep up-to-date you have to. These should be about comprehension and application of the basic principles

I'd say they're def against prep schools and I was tempted to do one for constitutional and EU if they went bad but seems I'd be better hanging out on europa. EU and reading the Irish law times

I'm not at home no but could someone take a look at the syllabus and check?

https://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/education/FE-1/FE1%20Syllabus.pdf

dashdoll wrote: »

I get that about them not wanting people relying on prep courses and manuals etc but for gods sake how the hell are people meant to prepare otherwise in a reasonable time frame while still holding down jobs and having lives etc.

It's just so frustrating.

It'd be a lot easier (and they'd make a lot more money) if they just made subject manuals themselves.

lawbear

so exhausted, I attempted the question on remedies, could anyone tell me what that was supposed to involve? I was probably way off…. have to go to a "networking" event next week with my firm, dreading people asking how the exams went…. also I did the question on the commission, in the sample answer I have from griffith a huge part of the answer was in the treaty…for its role and legislative process…that can't be good

dashdoll

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Oh it's probably hidden on the official list somewhere. Like liability for fire. :rolleyes: There's barely a page on that in the manual!

I get the feeling they were trying to tell us something in general about prep courses and predictions...

I get that about them not wanting people relying on prep courses and manuals etc but for gods sake how the hell are people meant to prepare otherwise in a reasonable time frame while still holding down jobs and having lives etc.

It's just so frustrating.

dashdoll wrote: »

I didn't sit EU today but if material came up that isn't even on the syllabus then its ridiculous and definitely warrants a complaint.

Oh it's probably hidden on the official list somewhere. Like liability for fire. :rolleyes: There's barely a page on that in the manual!

I get the feeling they were trying to tell us something in general about prep courses and predictions...

dashdoll

I didn't sit EU today but if material came up that isn't even on the syllabus then its ridiculous and definitely warrants a complaint.

jenspondolik wrote: »

No u can do one at a time if u want after u get ur three as long as it's 8 done within the timeframe is it five years?

You need to pass 3 at the one time to bring them forward. After that you can pass them one at a time. Once you pass all 8, they last for 5 years from the date you passed the 8th one.

That's my understanding of it, and even if im wrong im not far off.

Lawstudent007

Can we JR the ******* examiners on grounds of the ligitate expectation that they wouldn't throw crap at us and actually stay within the manuals? I mean seriously, asking stuff outside of the manual is the same as answering a question with non - relevant caselaw. Rant over..

Pepp1989

I spent the last three weeks solid learning off for this exam on top of doing lectures for it since before Christmas so that I'd be sure I got into blackhall in September. And then that happens. Words don't even come close.

And what sort of exam system means that you still don't pass when you put in the hours and some?

prior 9021 wrote: »

Well that was a **** storm, left after the hour. Can someone explain something; Ive passed 3 from 4 exams from my first sitting, and sat 5 this time round. How many do I need to be deemed to have passed the examination?Is it three again?

No u can do one at a time if u want after u get ur three as long as it's 8 done within the timeframe is it five years?

prior 9021

Well that was a **** storm, left after the hour. Can someone explain something; Ive passed 3 from 4 exams from my first sitting, and sat 5 this time round. How many do I need to be deemed to have passed the examination?Is it three again?

FeDespair

Same as. Eating mcdonalds now though and loving the artificial goodness...mmmmm!

LawCQ91

It's over ... still can't believe this just happened, had given up my whole life studying for 14hrs a day since god knows how long and this happend !!God ... I feel like I am living in a nightmare lol .. actually too upset to cry and too tired to sleep !!

At least it's over !! One of those things in life ... Will try to forget about it until I have to deal with it again...

Thank you again every one for the last while

FeDespair wrote: »

I saw that question and told myself to learn it...whoops I didn't!

I wrote it all out of the book. Oh well its done I suppose. I did the thing if answering what I wasn't asked also. I'm done with it at least for six weeks.

FeDespair

Troels Hartmann wrote: »

+ 2

Even the second part of question one (comparinf and contrasting legislative acts blah blah blah) would involve a lot of creativity from even the best of us

I saw that question and told myself to learn it...whoops I didn't!