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Moved back to Ireland and questioning it!

acb

As the title says...we moved home 4 weeks ago yday after being in Australia 2.5 years and while its great seeing everyone, I think Id rather have stayed. We were in Mornington , Melbourne and I loved it...husband didn't though. I had really settled , made great friends, knew the schools the kids would start next year etc

Back now and finding it grime here. Go for a walk and you have to keep watching out for Dog crap everywhere..really annoys me. I have a poo brush for the pram- how gross is that! Grown men discard litter without a second thought. It make me question why am I telling my 3 yo to put his rubbish in his pocket until he finds a bin.
What strikes me is everywhere looks like it needs money spent on it. I guess thats the recession.
Maybe its the time of year or me projecting my feelings, but people seem like they're having a hard tough life.
Since we got back its a struggle. I don't do anything- stuck inside with the kids. In Oz I was always out. I dint think twice about heading out with the 2 kids for a walk someplace.

Probably should say what brought us back..well husband got 2 job offers in the same week, a job in Melbourne CBD and another one- a permanent job in Ireland so we came back. We left in the first place because of 'natural wastage', husband lost his job so we applied for skilled visa for Australia.

Its so hard to know, Sorry I know my post is a long whingy ramble.
Im just feeling unsettled...people don't understand unless they've gone through it themselves.

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audi12

CB19135 wrote: »

Ireland is shocking bad in comparison to other countries.. stuck in the dark ages

England now that is an example of a great country we could learn a lot

CB19135

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Really?

I grew up here in the late 1970s and 80s when it was tough to live here.

Things are improving and nobody is stopping you from leaving, and Ireland is not a "kip".

Ireland is shocking bad in comparison to other countries.. stuck in the dark ages

catbear

Qualitymark wrote: »

Ireland's in trouble.

To be honest I've been seeing a lot trouble brewing in Perth, rents are falling, prices are dropping, state finances are in freefall, new stealth charges are sneaking in all the time, public services beginning to be curtailed, jobs going....
If you were involved in mining you could see this coming but otherwise it's possibly going to be worse.
Lots of Aussies I know are trying to figure out how to get an EU passport through their emigre grandparents etc...
On the other hand my wife has recently been offered three jobs back in Ireland!
I can't speak for the eastern states but there's a chill wind down under.

Qualitymark

Ireland's in trouble. And the main part of that trouble is a ruling class that behaves like an Ascendancy class, as if they're living on the country but not in it, cynical and cold. And the division that's growing between groups: private and public sector, employed and unemployed, city and country, left and right.

But there are other things about Ireland that you love - the people, the way you talk to the bus driver about literature and he'll produce the book he's reading and have an impassioned disagreement about it. The sheer beauty of the place - there's nowhere you can live that you can't find a place of beauty to walk within 20 minutes.

On the other hand, if you're really happy in Australia, and the life is well organised and happy, and your kids are happy, maybe it's not the time to move. And if your parents are growing older, is there any way to bring them over to live near you?

catbear

If you've left a small Irish town blighted by ghost estates and zero opportunity then Ireland will be grim.

On the other hand if you're from a Irish town that's actually doing alright, has some opportunity and an easy standard of living it may provide a better quality of life than where you find yourself in Australia.

Geraldo

audi12 wrote: »

Your supposed to argue the points i made

Read my earlier post. You'll find things to piss you off the world over if you look for them. But maybe people need to travel a good bit to come round to this.

Having said that, maybe things are a good bit more grim here outside the cities. I don't live rural so I can't say for certain on that.

audi12

Geraldo wrote: »

Crap roads? Does that really weigh on your mind?? Never mind whether it's true or not.

Why not try to move for a while so? Get it out of your system maybe. Maybe it'll work out or maybe it won't.

But if you have that negative an opinion it certainly won't lead to happiness here or anywhere else for that matter.

Your supposed to argue the points i made

Geraldo

audi12 wrote: »

yes it is the crap roads crap weather and a nation obsessed with drink have i forgot anything oh ya politicians that act like five year olds

Crap roads? Does that really weigh on your mind?? Never mind whether it's true or not.

Why not try to move for a while so? Get it out of your system maybe. Maybe it'll work out or maybe it won't.

But if you have that negative an opinion it certainly won't lead to happiness here or anywhere else for that matter.

audi12

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Really?

I grew up here in the late 1970s and 80s when it was tough to live here.

Things are improving and nobody is stopping you from leaving, and Ireland is not a "kip".

yes it is the crap roads crap weather and a nation obsessed with drink have i forgot anything oh ya politicians that act like five year olds

ebbsy

Lived in Thailand for a few years, never missed Ireland one bit, apart from Christmas time. Had to come back gue to visa difficulties (stayed there on a tourist visa the whole time). Met a few guys who were doing visa runs for ten years as well.

Dud go to Australia once as well, a lovely country, and well organised.

Galwayguy35

audi12 wrote: »

wish i live in Australia Ireland has turned in to a kip to live in

Really?

I grew up here in the late 1970s and 80s when it was tough to live here.

Things are improving and nobody is stopping you from leaving, and Ireland is not a "kip".

audi12

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Rubbish, there is a good standard of living here.

wish i live in Australia Ireland has turned in to a kip to live in

Galwayguy35

CB19135 wrote: »

This point for me is more about the lack of enthusiasm to do pretty much anything! So so boring. Everyone lives their lives behind closed doors and there is no standard of living.

Rubbish, there is a good standard of living here.

CB19135

Chocolate fiend wrote: »

As you would expect surely? and you get back to yours.

This point for me is more about the lack of enthusiasm to do pretty much anything! So so boring. Everyone lives their lives behind closed doors and there is no standard of living.

CB19135

jimd2 wrote: »

Not permanently but I have spent a lot of time in the US and Europe through work mostly. Been in NYC, Ohio and Arizona for 4 to 6 months on occasions.

I am unsure of the reasoning for your question, are you saying that I am not qualified to comment about Ireland because i didn't live in Australia. Or I didn't agree with the sentiments that all politicians are crooked?

Well if you have not experienced living somewhere else.for a long period of time then you wouldnt truly understand all thats on offer in other countries as a resident over whats available in Ireland.

catbear

Mongfinder General wrote: »

If you don't like it, leave. I can go out there tonight with the materials you've got and make myself $15,000. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU? Go and do likewise. You want to know what it takes to make it? It takes BRASS BALLS to make it. Go and do likewise

I figured it out, you're this guy!

Chocolate fiend

Most of the people I know who love living back home would dearly love to give somewhere else a try but, they are afraid. Afraid of going out there without their support network, their friends, their home comforts. I don't blame them at all. Arriving in Sydney airport at 7am, after 24 hours of travelling, with a 4 year old, a 3 year old and a 9 month old and not knowing a single person there was one of the most confronting experiences of my life.

AngryHippie

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Money's out there. You pick it up, it's yours. You don't, I got no sympathy for you. You wanna go out there tonight and close, CLOSE. It's yours. If not you're gonna be shining my shoes. And you know what you'll be saying - bunch of losers sittin' around in a bar. 'Oh yeah. I used to live in Ireland. It's a tough racket.'

Yeah but some of us aren't prepared to get

rode up the hole all day at work

Metaphorically or not.

I can go out there tonight with the materials you've got and make myself $15,000. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU? Go and do likewise. You want to know what it takes to make it? It takes BRASS BALLS to make it. Go and do likewise

That's a wonderful contribution.
Poker isn't just about brass balls, neither is betting on horses or Football.
I'd also warrant that if you are playing poker for 2 hours, you'll be relying on getting the right cards at least once.

Dont know why anyone would come back crap weather , no jobs for graduates i should know, same news every day fine gael finna fail take shots at sinn fein about something that happened 100 years ago they take shots back etc etc oh and how could i forget the one positive we are so much craic according to ourselves and were not a bunch of alcholics again according to ourselves even though every other country thinks we are.

There are very few graduate jobs, the news is like a groundhog day reel, The vast majority of FF, FG and SF TD's are a band of self-serving yes men whose only function in society is to do fcuk all while appearing busy and making the other fella look like a worse choice, We are great craic, and we are functioning drunks. The vast majority of us have never been to that meeting that would help us define ourselves as alcoholics.
I miss my family, I miss my friends, but I don't miss the life I left, the choices I didn't have, the weather (that was endured, not enjoyed), the constant gossip and small talk chatter that gives rural Ireland their essential distraction from the fucking dismal situation they are in.
I can see it from the outside, but I never could when I was there. I could only feel it and believe that it was better far away, and when I got there, it was, different, and better.
Each to their own though. Some people love living in Ireland, and I can understand that too. It's just not for me.

catbear

Or got lucky playing poker....once.....

Slideways

Sounds like someone just watched The Wolf of Wallstreet.. :pac:

catbear

Hang on Mongfinder General, are you the fecker that knocked off that chernobal childrens shipment the other night?

mandrake04

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Money's out there. You pick it up, it's yours. You don't, I got no sympathy for you. You wanna go out there tonight and close, CLOSE. It's yours. If not you're gonna be shining my shoes. And you know what you'll be saying - bunch of losers sittin' around in a bar. 'Oh yeah. I used to live in Ireland. It's a tough racket.'

Ah right I see, so in your defense you just tell the Judge you found the money because it's 'out there'....and you just happen to have picked it up.

Brass Balls indeed.

Nelson Muntz

Mongfinder General

Zambia wrote: »

Are you a stripper?

Money's out there. You pick it up, it's yours. You don't, I got no sympathy for you. You wanna go out there tonight and close, CLOSE. It's yours. If not you're gonna be shining my shoes. And you know what you'll be saying - bunch of losers sittin' around in a bar. 'Oh yeah. I used to live in Ireland. It's a tough racket.'

Geraldo

This is a fascinating thread to read. Myself and my wife seriously thought about emigrating in about 09 when things were really bad and we had just had our first kid. We stuck it out in the end mainly due to not wanting to be away from family for ours and our kids sake.
I did live abroad for a while when I was in my 20's though and one thing it taught me is that I love living in Ireland. The main reason is the sense of familiarity. It has plenty going against it but most of those you will get in every country and far worse in plenty. For every scandal here you'll find something similar wherever you go. Ireland is no better or worse than most countries, it's just another place to live. But it's the place where I'm from and where my folks live and that makes it more comfortable for me personally.
But I'd kill to get better weather!

Zambia

Mongfinder General wrote: »

If you don't like it, leave. I can go out there tonight with the materials you've got and make myself $15,000. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU? Go and do likewise. You want to know what it takes to make it? It takes BRASS BALLS to make it. Go and do likewise

Are you a stripper?

catbear

Mongfinder General wrote: »

If you don't like it, leave. I can go out there tonight with the materials you've got and make myself $15,000. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU? Go and do likewise. You want to know what it takes to make it? It takes BRASS BALLS to make it. Go and do likewise

Well I guess it being Paddys night if you raid a few pubs just as they're closing then it's very possible!

Mongfinder General

audi12 wrote: »

Dont know why anyone would come back crap weather , no jobs for graduates i should know, same news every day fine gael finna fail take shots at sinn fein about something that happened 100 years ago they take shots back etc etc oh and how could i forget the one positive we are so much craic according to ourselves and were not a bunch of alcholics again according to ourselves even though every other country thinks we are.

If you don't like it, leave. I can go out there tonight with the materials you've got and make myself $15,000. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU? Go and do likewise. You want to know what it takes to make it? It takes BRASS BALLS to make it. Go and do likewise

Nelson Muntz

Chocolate fiend wrote: »

As you would expect surely? and you get back to yours.

Yes, of course, but some people expect to move back to where they're from and have everyone fuss over them indefinitely.

It just doesn't work out like that in real life but it's human nature to wear rose tinted glasses when looking at what you think you want.

Chocolate fiend

Nelson Muntz wrote: »

As was mentioned, staying or moving back depends on your original reasons for moving I think. One thing I have noticed though is that when you do move home, after the initial excitement, family tend to get back to their own lives.

As you would expect surely? and you get back to yours.