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Moved back to Ireland and questioning it!

acb

As the title says...we moved home 4 weeks ago yday after being in Australia 2.5 years and while its great seeing everyone, I think Id rather have stayed. We were in Mornington , Melbourne and I loved it...husband didn't though. I had really settled , made great friends, knew the schools the kids would start next year etc

Back now and finding it grime here. Go for a walk and you have to keep watching out for Dog crap everywhere..really annoys me. I have a poo brush for the pram- how gross is that! Grown men discard litter without a second thought. It make me question why am I telling my 3 yo to put his rubbish in his pocket until he finds a bin.
What strikes me is everywhere looks like it needs money spent on it. I guess thats the recession.
Maybe its the time of year or me projecting my feelings, but people seem like they're having a hard tough life.
Since we got back its a struggle. I don't do anything- stuck inside with the kids. In Oz I was always out. I dint think twice about heading out with the 2 kids for a walk someplace.

Probably should say what brought us back..well husband got 2 job offers in the same week, a job in Melbourne CBD and another one- a permanent job in Ireland so we came back. We left in the first place because of 'natural wastage', husband lost his job so we applied for skilled visa for Australia.

Its so hard to know, Sorry I know my post is a long whingy ramble.
Im just feeling unsettled...people don't understand unless they've gone through it themselves.

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Nelson Muntz

As was mentioned, staying or moving back depends on your original reasons for moving I think. One thing I have noticed though is that when you do move home, after the initial excitement, family tend to get back to their own lives.

Chocolate fiend

catbear wrote: »

As long as there's no kids involved there isn't sense of finality, you can ping pong indefinitely.

Even kids don't bring a sense of finality. Kids are flexible, travel is good for them depending on their personalities and how it is framed I guess. Our kids have lived in Ireland, Canada and now Australia. They will most likely live in Ireland again at some stage in the future.

audi12

catbear wrote: »

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As in irish people never shut up talking about going drinking

catbear

audi12 wrote: »

Dobut they talk about as much as irish people do you swear it cures cancer or something

audi12

catbear wrote: »

Per person Australia consumes more than ireland. (I'll dig up a link later)

At least Australian politicians leave you in no doubt of their opinion, regardless of how distasteful it is.

Dobut they talk about as much as irish people do you swear it cures cancer or something

catbear

audi12 wrote: »

.....and how could i forget the one positive we are so much craic according to ourselves and were not a bunch of alcholics again according to ourselves even though every other country thinks we are.

Per person Australia consumes more than ireland. (I'll dig up a link later)

At least Australian politicians leave you in no doubt of their opinion, regardless of how distasteful it is.

audi12

Dont know why anyone would come back crap weather , no jobs for graduates i should know, same news every day fine gael finna fail take shots at sinn fein about something that happened 100 years ago they take shots back etc etc oh and how could i forget the one positive we are so much craic according to ourselves and were not a bunch of alcholics again according to ourselves even though every other country thinks we are.

catbear

Head The Wall wrote: »

The point is it's very different to move somewhere temporarily than the potential finality of emigration to the other side of the world.

As long as there's no kids involved there isn't sense of finality, you can ping pong indefinitely.

Head The Wall

The point is it's very different to move somewhere temporarily than the potential finality of emigration to the other side of the world. I know you can always cone back but it's the having to cut most of your ties to what and where you live that is very daunting.

I have lived in, US, London and moving to Australia next month.

jimd2

CB19135 wrote: »

Have you ever lived anywhere else?

Not permanently but I have spent a lot of time in the US and Europe through work mostly. Been in NYC, Ohio and Arizona for 4 to 6 months on occasions.

I am unsure of the reasoning for your question, are you saying that I am not qualified to comment about Ireland because i didn't live in Australia. Or I didn't agree with the sentiments that all politicians are crooked?

jim-mcdee

have to say, no joke, if i lost my job tomorrow i would be gone the next week. if i didn't value family so much I would be already gone long ago. ireland is not as it was, and while many things have improved materially and liberally, it has dis improved quality of life in my opinion. old values like respect for self and others are long gone, drugs, crime, me first selfish attitude has taken over but the small mindedness has remained. and if i was abroad thinking of returning, my advise would be to not even consider it without a job offer in advance.

L'prof

Thought I'd share a more positive perspective here. I'm back in Ireland 1.5yrs after a year long trip around the world including a 6 month stay in Melbourne. Not as long as some people have invested abroad I'll grant you. While Melbourne is a fantastic place to live and work, it's just not Ireland. I guess it all depends on the reasons you left in the first place but we're about to buy a house now in Galway and are loving being back home.

justback83

bladebrew wrote: »

The insurance is so high because after 2 years your NCB is basically gone, those prices are with no NCB, your 5 years might be intact but they are not taken into account, this problem seems to be mentioned a lot as people move home after years away,

Actually - I had the same issue when I came home after 4 years. Not one insurer would take driving in Australia into consideration. I thought I was gonna have to give up the car. Then I called Aviva! They were the only ones who took overseas driving into consideration, I got 4 years NCB with them.

Canis Lupus

I left Ireland Ireland in 05 I think. Spent around 7 years in London and loved it but took a chance to travel and then due to a girl I met in London I ended up here in Brisbane.

I miss London more than I miss Ireland

but I think Australia is my future. It's a nice town/city balance. Good weather although it does get oppressively hot at times during summer but I have a bbq I can and do use almost everyday and I've a motorbike that I can ride virtually every day and the countryside is literally a 10 minute ride. Outside life, hanging out with mates on verandas with a beer. It's a good life.

Now if only they could flipping roll out NBN and get me decent internet I'd be super happy.

seachto7

Rural Ireland is f*cked if you're looking for a good professional job.

catbear

The bubble period of the 00s was an exceptional period and by no means a norm so expecting a recovery to mirror that period will lead to disappointment.

Rural depopulation was temporally reversed by the building boom.

Australia is a mostly urban society whereas Ireland is mostly made up of small towns and a few major urban centres. Returning to these small towns does mean a massive reduction in options and that can be crushing for people who've gotten used to the Australian Urban lifestyle. Your family and friends at home will never understand what you're missing so a period of social ineptitude will happen on return; it always happens me!

Rural Ireland can have massive benefits too. Freedom to wonder, short commutes, cheap rents, family support, cheaper fresh food and basics. I think that if you have a job you love then rural Ireland can be great but the job is the thing.

CB19135

jimd2 wrote: »

I am not happy with some of the decisions of the government but it is incorrect to say that it is totally corrupt. There are lots of positives to living in Ireland, I for one am happy to be still living and rearing a family here.

Have you ever lived anywhere else?

CB19135

ghogie91 wrote: »

Jamie, I am one of the lucky ones who got a good job and am not victim to the current economic mess the country is in.
There are many factors that would weigh a person down in this country and people coming from Oz need to know that they are not returning to the land of the green Hills with postman pat the friendly postman who you see every Friday and Saturday night in the pub for a pint! Ireland has changed, its sad to see and hear the stories daily of what the people of this country have to do to try get a break to have some ease of living

You are 100% right.

Long Gone

lg123 wrote: »

ya, i think the cool place to go is now is Canada

It's cool alright - It's -7 C in Edmonton at the moment and getting cooler every day....

Long Gone

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Things are different but getting much better and those 14,000 Irish who returned home last year didn't for no reason and then a further 56,000 moved here to (sic).

Plenty of opportunities for the educated, only problem is Irish people love to moan at anything but I'm sure anybody coming back can just avoid those types in your social circle.

Well "different" is one word for it.... Personally I think people must be mad to move back at the moment.

Plenty of opportunities ? - "Let them eat cake" - One of the biggest problems at the moment is that the gombeens in the government are trying to figure out more and more ways to take money off the few people who actually still have any....

Long Gone

kilo6 wrote: »

Another thing that riles my whiskers is from now till St Patricks day we will have to listen to gombeen politicians who have destroyed Ireland and ruined a whole generation of young people running around America blowing about how good it is here all paid by the Irish tax payer the poor auld sod.

Amen to that

SF12

Haven't emigrated, (and found this thread on the Boards homepage), but I'll say one thing to the OP.

Like most other students in the 2000s, I did a J1 in the States. I was there for several months. When I came back, I was hit by a complete shock to my system that I really didn't expect. It took me several weeks to settle back into Ireland. Totally took me by surprise, because I had only been away a few months. You only think about settling into the new place, now about re-settling in when you get home. Didn't see that coming.

I guess what I'm saying is that your original post was 4 weeks after you moved back. How long did it take you to settle properly into Australia? I'm guessing a bit longer than 4 weeks? Give yourself and your family a chance to settle back properly, if needs be put a time limit on it and maybe agree to discuss it again in 6 months or something. And there's probably always going to be things you miss about Australia. There's no real "right" decision in all of this, we can't measure in material terms things like being able to have an outdoors life vs being able to know your grandparents and extended family and having a less outdoor life (and Ireland is quite good for outdoors in a lot of ways). Nowhere is perfect I'm afraid, just depends on what your priorities are.

Chocolate fiend

We have been in your shoes OP. We spent 3 years in Melbourne, and then moved back to Ireland in 2008 with our 6 month old baby. Within two weeks we were so sorry we had come home for good, and not just a holiday. Added to that I realised I was pregnant again and felt just horrible.

Fast forward to now, we moved back to Australia in 2012, we have 3 children now and we live in Sydney. My husband works hard but, the rewards are great. Two of the children are in school, and that has opened up a huge social scene that revolves around family and really works for us. We don't have family here, we don't have babysitters on tap, but, we do have a good life and the children are so happy and healthy and outdoors all the time. They are never sick, they play cricket and soccer, they swim, they really don't actually know how good they have it.

We are going for PR now, and I guess it has gotten me thinking, can I say we are here "forever" that is pretty hard, my family don't travel so they will never come to visit us and that really upsets me. I really wish they would come. My husbands family will come, they are due to come this time next year and I am already looking forward to that. Is looking forward to a visit that is a year away any way to live though? I am not always sure. I am mostly happy, but, sometimes the homesickness hits like a physical thing. I was having coffee last Friday morning and a group of Irish guys came in to the coffee shop, it was just me and them in there, and to hear the accents and the craic, I felt like I was home and tears came to my eyes. I don't think that will ever go away.

Tomorrow is St Patricks day, the boys will go to school wearing their St Patricks day badges and be proud of where they come from, but, they don't really feel like Ireland is home. This is their home.

lg123

Panda_Turtle wrote: »

Want to move back to ireland partly cause the football is on at crazy times of the morning.

i remember when life was that simple

Panda_Turtle

Want to move back to ireland partly cause the football is on at crazy times of the morning.

jimd2

ghogie91 wrote: »

Very simple answer is:

Do not come back to this country in its current state!
It's a grey, wet, corrupt, grimey struggle. Our news daily is depressing, our government are totally corrupt, there is no opportunity, everything is too expensive, weather is all over the place and the general feeling and happiness of the people is just about all sucked out of us at this stage!

I am not happy with some of the decisions of the government but it is incorrect to say that it is totally corrupt. There are lots of positives to living in Ireland, I for one am happy to be still living and rearing a family here.

catbear

Just not listening to Joe Duffy vastly improves ones standard of living in Ireland.

ghogie91

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

That big chip on your shoulder is the only thing weighing you down!

Things are different but getting much better and those 14,000 Irish who returned home last year didn't for no reason and then a further 56,000 moved here to.

Plenty of opportunities for the educated, only problem is Irish people love to moan at anything but I'm sure anybody coming back can just avoid those types in your social circle.

Jamie, I am one of the lucky ones who got a good job and am not victim to the current economic mess the country is in.
There are many factors that would weigh a person down in this country and people coming from Oz need to know that they are not returning to the land of the green Hills with postman pat the friendly postman who you see every Friday and Saturday night in the pub for a pint! Ireland has changed, its sad to see and hear the stories daily of what the people of this country have to do to try get a break to have some ease of living

Jamie2k9

ghogie91 wrote: »

Very simple answer is:

Do not come back to this country in its current state!
It's a grey, wet, corrupt, grimey struggle. Our news daily is depressing, our government are totally corrupt, there is no opportunity, everything is too expensive, weather is all over the place and the general feeling and happiness of the people is just about all sucked out of us at this stage!

That big chip on your shoulder is the only thing weighing you down!

Things are different but getting much better and those 14,000 Irish who returned home last year didn't for no reason and then a further 56,000 moved here to.

Plenty of opportunities for the educated, only problem is Irish people love to moan at anything but I'm sure anybody coming back can just avoid those types in your social circle.

ghogie91

Very simple answer is:

Do not come back to this country in its current state!
It's a grey, wet, corrupt, grimey struggle. Our news daily is depressing, our government are totally corrupt, there is no opportunity, everything is too expensive, weather is all over the place and the general feeling and happiness of the people is just about all sucked out of us at this stage!