Tabnabs wrote: » Politicians only care about getting re-elected and public opinion. Or do you think Enda Kenny is a regular of the Pantibar? Schools are there to educate our children. Parents are there to teach morals and life skills. My kids don't have an ounce of religious views or opinions in their heads. The catholic church is irrelevant to modern Irish society. This individuals views and that of his employers do not matter. Let them go, stop giving them credence and oxygen to survive.
reprise wrote: » It's an outlier either way, and not a great example of one at that.
volchitsa wrote: » Doesn't matter how rare you think it is - the point is that there are women who are raped and who can't access an abortion in their own country directly because of the beliefs of the people Kevin Doran represents. So to have to hear him pontificate about how right he is and how wrong she is on the media as though he had any right to respect must be extremely hurtful. And actually that lack of empathy for their predicament can't fail to strike other women who have been raped at any time, whether or not they actually got pregnant. So not that much of an "outlier" really. How many raped women would it take before you felt their feelings might be worth taking into account then?
reprise wrote: » I will pass on the abortion debate.
Lapin wrote: » Fundamentalist Catholic opinion my hole... From Newstalk.... The Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran has likened homosexuality to Down Syndrome, and also believes that gay parents are not parents. It comes as the Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference meet for the first time since the date for the referendum on same-sex marriage was announced by the government. Meanwhile the Children and Family Relationships Bill is making its way through the Oireachtas, in the expectation that it will be passed before the country goes to the polls on May 22nd. Dr Doran had this to say when it was put to him that gay people in Ireland already have children. "They may have children - but that's the point - people who have children are not necessarily parents," he said. "This legislation that the government is introducing - the Children and Family Relationships Bill - seems primarily focused about making it possible for people in various different relationships to have children. It's not about ensuring that children have their parents."I know of many Catholics who would strongly disagree with such sentiments.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Thank you for at least recognising that much. Honestly lads, there are some opinions so, so utterly stupid that anyone who takes that nonsense seriously is the person who needs to question themselves. This guy is one odious idiot that really only speaks for himself, and clearly he loves the attention he gets for his musings, and the media love him. He's simply a wind-up merchant akin to John Waters and that other clown Quinn. Most people wouldn't be aware of these people's existence were it not for their "opinions" being shared across social media so we can all be outraged at their shìte talk. I would sincerely suggest that people stop giving these idiots the oxygen of publicity they so badly crave and let them die off in the vacuum.
reprise wrote: » May I remind you, the outlier I referred to was your mythical rape victim with no one but the Bishop to turn to for words of wisdom. I will pass on the abortion debate.
volchitsa wrote: » I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to turn to a bishop for advice on anything other than perhaps about a new car, so that wasn't what I said at all. I was objecting to the excessive access he has to the media in Ireland to air his hate filled views of women.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Thank you for at least recognising that much. Honestly lads, there are some opinions so, so utterly stupid that anyone who takes that nonsense seriously is the person who needs to question themselves.This guy is one odious idiot that really only speaks for himself, and clearly he loves the attention he gets for his musings, and the media love him. He's simply a wind-up merchant akin to John Waters and that other clown Quinn. Most people wouldn't be aware of these people's existence were it not for their "opinions" being shared across social media so we can all be outraged at their shìte talk. I would sincerely suggest that people stop giving these idiots the oxygen of publicity they so badly crave and let them die off in the vacuum.
Tabnabs wrote: » Schools are there to educate our children. Parents are there to teach morals and life skills. My kids don't have an ounce of religious views or opinions in their heads. The catholic church is irrelevant to modern Irish society.
Pumpkinseeds wrote: » To say that rape victims would be likely to be angry at their rapist is a massive understatement. To suggest that a child conceived through rape isn't at fault, while accurate, is negligible when a woman is forced to give birth to it. The fact that he is a bishop means that he is in a position to influence public opinion and he should be reprimanded by the church for stating that women aborting a baby conceived through rape, do it out of spite for the rapist, it implies blame on the victim of rape and almost sympathy for the rapist whose child is aborted. His opinion is absolutely ridiculous and out of touch with reality.
reprise wrote: » I think it is paying off for the people who invited him judging by the reaction on this thread alone. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't asked more often tbh.
volchitsa wrote: » As I've just pointed out (and others have done before) he isn't some sort of talking head a la Fox News. This man was allowed to block cancer treatment for women he had never met just because he didn't want them to take contraception.
One eyed Jack wrote: » This guy is one odious idiot that really only speaks for himself, and clearly he loves the attention he gets for his musings, and the media love him. He's simply a wind-up merchant akin to John Waters and that other clown Quinn.
JC01 wrote: » This moron is only highlighting how outdated and insignificant the church and its teachings are in this country. Let him mutter away to himself about his space dad and his fairytales all he wants. The church is dying a death and soon muppets like this won't even get the airtime they still do from certain quarters of the media.
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reprise wrote: » Doesn't chemotherapy cause sterility in both sexes?
Tabnabs wrote: » His appalling opinions and diatribe couldn't be of any less significance to me as a modern Irish citizen. I pay about the same amount of attention to his views as I would if any random Rabbi/monk/Imam etc. started spouting that rubbish. Time for Ireland to move on thankfully.
volchitsa wrote: » Apart from showing your ignorance, do you have a point to make? (And the answer is not necessarily, in fact just such a case brought Ireland to the ECHR, iirc. For advising the woman to have an abortion, and then refusing to allow her to have one.) Now what was your point again?
reprise wrote: » Same one I began with silly. I don't hang on The Bishop of Elphin's musings with bated breath and I find myself able to withstand his thoughts without degenerating into a hysterical mess.
Eutow wrote: » It's a bit hard to do that though if the same guy that talks b0llix then has influence on a hospital board that can delay medical treatments/drugs because it goes against his religious belief. If he was just a random nutjob with no influence on anything then your point would have some validation.
reprise wrote: » It appears he did not act alone and the story is a decade old. Good enough for the die-hards I guess.http://www.irishtimes.com/news/mater-advisory-group-deferred-cancer-drug-trial-1.501647
Icepick wrote: » He also said that god isn't omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, and that it's apparently a common view held by Catholics. Was news to me.
volchitsa wrote: » If he were acting alone he would be less of a danger to women. As to how old the story is, since he recently resigned from the board in protest over the idea that the Mater should obey the law of the land, a law passed only in 2013, is there any reason to believe his views have become less or more extreme since ?
