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The Bishop of Elphin

Lapin

What a fucking arsehole....:mad:

From the Indo

A Catholic Bishop has claimed that women who have abortions after being raped were likely doing so to get back at their rapist.

The Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran liken the termination of a foetus to that of killing a terminally ill patient, adding that “to kill another human being is always sinful”.

“The child is still a human being, you don’t destroy a life in order to get back at the mother’s rapist,” he said.

Speaking to mark the first day of the Spring Meeting of the Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, Bishop Doran told Newstalk Breakfast that it was not for him to pass judgement on those women who had travelled to the UK seeking terminations.

“It is between them and God, it isn’t a matter for public debate,” he said when questioned on whether they had committed a ‘sin’.

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mikom

conorh91 wrote: »

Anyone have any quotes from bitter, angry nuns from their childhood?

The upcoming generations won't have.............. Thanks be ta fuck

Lollipops23

mikom wrote: »

The upcoming generations won't have.............. Thanks be ta fuck

My mother still bears the mental and emotional scars of one particular nun she and her friends were subjected to for 3 consecutive years in primary.

She actually still gets quite upset talking about her, and she's grateful I never had that kind of experience in school.

DarkJager

This guy is clearly a ****ing cretin.

Lollipops23

DarkJager wrote: »

This guy is clearly a ****ing cretin.

He's not the only one who feels that way unfortunately

wandatowell

Kh1993 wrote: »

Is this the same "man" who said homosexuality is a disorder like down syndrome? Seen that being reported this morning. I'm sure there'll be a few along to defend him soon enough and muddy the waters..

There's been quite a few misleading headlines about the Down's Syndrome comment.

I think he was asked did God purposely create people gay and he said that that was like saying that God created Down's Syndrome or something to that effect.

I was only casually listening to the radio this morning as I was just finishing a night shift so what I picked up might not be 100% if so I apologize.

conorh91

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I read about his comments on what he deems a "real" family this morning.

He didn't use the term "real family" at all; he said he felt sure that the non-traditional family is capable of doing a good job raising children.

wandatowell wrote: »

There's been quite a few misleading headlines about the Down's Syndrome comment.

I think he was asked did God purposely create people gay and he said that that was like saying that God created Down's Syndrome or something to that effect.

That's correct. In fact he said he personally accepts a genetic explanation for homosexuality, which is a lot more progressive and open-minded than some people.

mikom

Lollipops23 wrote: »

My mother still bears the mental and emotional scars of one particular nun she and her friends were subjected to for 3 consecutive years in primary.

She actually still gets quite upset talking about her, and she's grateful I never had that kind of experience in school.

Get her to pm conorh91.
He of the "outrage train".

DarkJager

Lollipops23 wrote: »

He's not the only one who feels that way unfortunately

I know. One look at the comments section on the journal article on this will show you the level of like minded imbeciles we have in this country.

RobertKK

I heard the interview, he was asked if it was sinful for a woman who was raped and who became pregnant to have an abortion.
He was hardly going to say no, its not sinful.

seamus

RobertKK wrote: »

I heard the interview, he was asked if it was sinful for a woman who was raped and who became pregnant to have an abortion.
He was hardly going to say no, its not sinful.

That's the point though. The more people come to realise that the Catholic dogma is at odds with their own personal beliefs, the sooner we get to remove the church's claws from our government and they demoted to little more than a sideshow.

darkpagandeath

Sounds like one of them usual nutters that goes into religion to preach their own brand on nonsense. Plenty around look at all them nuns in the past.

seenitall

seamus wrote: »

That's the point though. The more people come to realise that the Catholic dogma is at odds with their own personal beliefs, the sooner we get to remove the church's claws from our government and they demoted to little more than a sideshow.

Hmmmm... reading this forum for the past 5 years or so, I have come to the sad conclusion that religious brainwashing is such a powerful force, that some people on here would sooner apply all kinds of twisted cognitive dissociation gymnastics to any social issue at hand, rather than surrender the Catholic label part of their identity.

In fact, it is such a powerful force, that, going to the other extreme, you also get all kinds of self-proclaimed atheists whose conservative opinions on the host of the country's hottest social issues Dr Doran would only be too proud of. That is a particularly Irish phenomenon too, imo.

Lollipops23

seenitall wrote: »

Hmmmm... reading this forum for the past 5 years or so, I have come to the sad conclusion that religious brainwashing is such a powerful force, that some people on here would sooner apply all kinds of twisted cognitive dissociation gymnastics to any social issue at hand, rather than surrender the Catholic label part of their identity.

I think we've come a huge way in the last 30 years tbf. In 1985 homosexuality was still illegal, you couldn't buy condoms over the counter and you couldn't divorce.

We still have a huge way to go, but just try to remember how far we've come in a (relatively) short space of time. My kids will grow up in a vastly different country to the Ireland of the 1980s.

Dravokivich

seamus wrote: »

That's the point though. The more people come to realise that the Catholic dogma is at odds with their own personal beliefs, the sooner we get to remove the church's claws from our government and they demoted to little more than a sideshow.

The issue is a lot of people who would consider themselves Catholic at the same time associate those as 2 distinctly different things. It's a rather odd way of looking at it, as both are usually rather ingrained in other religions.

Personally for me as I'm sure it may have been for others, as a kid all being a Catholic meant, was I was told I was one and later on when I was a teenager that whole transubstantiation thing. I doubt they've gone more in depth on it since.

I expect it's the main reason for A La Carte Catholics. I honestly don't blame'em though. We were brought up to be ignorant.

KKkitty

The sooner all religions are eradicated the better. At least then so called people like this wouldn't be given any platform to spout vitriolic statements like that.

darkpagandeath

KKkitty wrote: »

The sooner all religions are eradicated the better. At least then so called people like this wouldn't be given any platform to spout vitriolic statements like that.

Don't need to have a religion to spout nonsense. Being racist for example.

KKkitty

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't need to have a religion to spout nonsense. Being racist for example.

If this man wasn't a priest or whatever would anyone listen to him though?

Dravokivich

KKkitty wrote: »

If this man wasn't a priest or whatever would anyone listen to him though?

Jesus wasn't a priest and plenty of people listened to him.

seenitall

Dravokivich wrote: »

Jesus wasn't a priest and plenty of people listened to him.

Correct. Jesus wasn't a priest and here isn't Judea and now isn't 2000 years ago.

:rolleyes:

Dravokivich

seenitall wrote: »

Correct. Jesus wasn't a priest and here isn't Judea and now isn't 2000 years ago.

:rolleyes:

My point was that a man doesn't need a title to be listened to and gather a following. Doesn't matter what he's saying.

seenitall

Dravokivich wrote: »

My point was that a man doesn't need a title to be listened to and gather a following. Doesn't matter what he's saying.

True, dat. Just look at the middle of the last century in a couple of European countries; would also be more relevant a mention than someone from ancient times.

wendell borton

seenitall wrote: »

Correct. Jesus wasn't a priest and here isn't Judea and now isn't 2000 years ago.

:rolleyes:

The bishop have him crucified if he was around today, the catholic hierarchy are no better than the pharacies of his time.

Lollipops23

wendell borton wrote: »

The bishop have him crucified if he was around today, the catholic hierarchy are no better than the pharacies of his time.

If Jesus was alive today, we'd call him a Socialist. Socialists (especially with dark skin, as he would have) always go down a real treat in the Deep South.

reprise

It's weird, I can listen to everything this man says and come out of it on the other side without being brain washed, converted or a babbling mess. Maybe it's just me.

ScumLord

KKkitty wrote: »

If this man wasn't a priest or whatever would anyone listen to him though?

Does anybody ever really listen to priests these days anyway? Not even most Catholics listen to what their priest says, the only reason we keep getting these oddball sound bites is because the press want someone to point and laugh at.

If the newspapers didn't give these people airtime to kick up a shytestorm we wouldn't hear any of his nonsense.

volchitsa

reprise wrote: »

It's weird, I can listen to everything this man says and come out if the other side without being brain washed, converted or a babbling mess. Maybe it's just me.

That's nice for you, I'm sure. However if what he says is a matter of supreme indifference to you, it may still be very frightening and destabilizing to a girl who has been raped and either is pregnant or simply doesn't yet know if she is.

So why should he systematically get so much media access to air his hateful views? If they don't influence anyone, as you seem to be saying, why encourage him in the first place?

reprise

volchitsa wrote: »

That's nice for you, I'm sure. However if what he says is a matter of supreme indifference to you, it may still be very frightening and destabilizing to a girl who has been raped and either is pregnant or simply doesn't yet know if she is.

I find it difficult to imagine the scenario that a girl in such a dilemma is hanging on the Bishops thoughts exclusively tbh.

volchitsa wrote: »

So why should he systematically get so much media access to air his hateful views? If they don't influence anyone, as you seem to be saying, why encourage him in the first place?

Controversy sells.

volchitsa

reprise wrote: »

I find it difficult to imagine the scenario that a girl in such a dilemma is hanging on the Bishops thoughts exclusively tbh.

I dont think I suggested she would listen exclusively to him - but a girl in that situation in Ireland is likelier to hear his views of her various options in the Irish media than she is to hear an openly pro-choice view. That is likely to add unnecessary hurt to an already traumatic situation, imo.

K4t

ScumLord wrote: »

If the newspapers didn't give these people airtime to kick up a shytestorm we wouldn't hear any of his nonsense.

Which would be worse as long as these people control our schools and can call Ireland a Catholic country due to census statistics, thus giving them such exposure and influence. Until Ireland is a completely secular state, I'll be more than happy to hear this guy on radio and television every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

reprise

volchitsa wrote: »

I dont think I suggested she would listen exclusively to him - but a girl in that situation in Ireland is likelier to hear his views of her various options in the Irish media than she is to hear an openly pro-choice view. That is likely to add unnecessary hurt to an already traumatic situation, imo.

It's an outlier either way, and not a great example of one at that.